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When I was 18 I attending a Baptist College and was required to take an Old Testament/Hebrew Bible Class and a New Testament/New Testimony Class.  The writings, the best I could determine, were in agreement in the Hebrew Bible but when I got to the New Testimony Class I found that lots of the different books/letters taught the exact opposite of what other books taught.  I found that the teachings of Paul were, for the most part, contradictory in that Paul would say one thing and then a few verses or chapters later Paul would say the exact opposite of what he had said earlier.  Paul would often talk out of both sides of his mouth, so to speak.  In a court of law a witness loses all credibility when he/she changes his/her testimony.  

 

I also noticed that Paul claimed to be an Apostle when there were already twelve Apostles.  I find no place in the Bible that says there will be thirteen Apostles.  So, I have determined that Paul was simply a self proclaimed Apostle and a false Apostle.  I have not found even one of the true Twelve Apostles that called Paul an Apostle.  It is my guess that Paul may very well have been a false Apostle and a person that made up tall tales.  A person that tells untruths is normally called a liar.  

 

Also, it is taught in the New Testimony that Paul was a willing part of the party that murdered Stephen.  The Hebrew Bible plainly teaches that anyone that sheds innocent blood is to be executed for such a heinous crime.

 

Genesis 9:6 ESV 

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

 

Could it be that Paul was a murderer, tare and false Apostle?  Could it be that Paul's books/letters cannot be trusted?

 

 

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Could it be that the earth is square?

You are making an old claim, do you have any evidence to back it up?  And maybe you can explain what a 'new testimony' class is.....never heard of such before.  BTW, how old are you now?.....

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When I was 18 I attending a Baptist College 

 

Sorry for the above mistake, I should have written:  "When I was 18 I attended a Baptist College"

 

Civil:  The Gentile Constantine, the Emperor of Rome, at the Council of Nicaea in 325AD had hired 318 Bishops and others with high sounding titles to select books/letters that would make up what Constantine called the New Testimony.  Those Bishops selected  from over 2200 books/letters and finally decided on 27 or so books/letters that would make up Constantine's New Testimony.  Those 318 Bishops worked for a year and a half editing those books/letters that were to be included in the New Testimony in an attempt to make those books/letters agree for the most part with each other.  What Constantine called the New Testimony is now called the New Testament by most people.   

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You really need to read through the book of Acts in order to understand why Paul is considered an Apostle.  Also, you should study what it means to be an Apostle.  Then you would not be making so many erroneous and false claims.

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19 minutes ago, Steve said:

When I was 18 I attending a Baptist College 

 

Sorry for the above mistake, I should have written:  "When I was 18 I attended a Baptist College"

 

Civil:  The Gentile Constantine, the Emperor of Rome, at the Council of Nicaea in 325AD had hired 318 Bishops and others with high sounding titles to select books/letters that would make up what Constantine called the New Testimony.  Those Bishops selected  from over 2200 books/letters and finally decided on 27 or so books/letters that would make up Constantine's New Testimony.  Those 318 Bishops worked for a year and a half editing those books/letters that were to be included in the New Testimony in an attempt to make those books/letters agree for the most part with each other.  What Constantine called the New Testimony is now called the New Testament by most people.   

From your claims there is zero evidence you attended any college of any kind.  In fact I doubt you have even read a book on the topic.

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On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

The writings, the best I could determine, were in agreement in the Hebrew Bible but when I got to the New Testimony Class I found that lots of the different books/letters taught the exact opposite of what other books taught. 

Not one example cited.  Now that is interesting.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

I found that the teachings of Paul were, for the most part, contradictory in that Paul would say one thing and then a few verses or chapters later Paul would say the exact opposite of what he had said earlier. 

Not one example cited.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

Paul would often talk out of both sides of his mouth, so to speak. 

Nothing more than your opinion.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

I also noticed that Paul claimed to be an Apostle when there were already twelve Apostles.  I find no place in the Bible that says there will be thirteen Apostles

There is also no place in the Bible were it claims there cannot be more than 12.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

So, I have determined that Paul was simply a self proclaimed Apostle and a false Apostle. 

Opinion with zero evidence.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

It is my guess that Paul may very well have been a false Apostle and a person that made up tall tales.

A guess with zero evidence.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

A person that tells untruths is normally called a liar.  

I could not agree more.  Therefore since the shoe fits, you ought to wear it.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

Also, it is taught in the New Testimony that Paul was a willing part of the party that murdered Stephen. 

Actually the text states "Saul approved of his execution" (Acts 8:1).

 

On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

Could it be that Paul was a murderer, tare and false Apostle?  Could it be that Paul's books/letters cannot be trusted?

It is more likely you don't know what you are talking about and that you are being deceitful.  You have come here pretending to be something you are not and never were.

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On 8/9/2018 at 3:00 PM, Steve said:

The Gentile Constantine

The fact that Constantine was a gentile proves nothing.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 3:19 PM, Origen said:

had hired 318 Bishops

There is zero evidence that Constantine hired the bishops.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 3:00 PM, Steve said:

Constantine called the New Testimony.

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 3:00 PM, Steve said:

Those Bishops selected  from over 2200 books/letters and finally decided on 27 or so books/letters that would make up Constantine's New Testimony. 

The Council of Nicaea played no part in establishing the canon.  You are not merely misinformed but hopelessly and completely misinformed.

 

On 8/9/2018 at 3:00 PM, Steve said:

Those 318 Bishops worked for a year and a half editing those books/letters that were to be included in the New Testimony in an attempt to make those books/letters agree for the most part with each other. 

Again there is zero evidence to support such a claim.

 

No historical sources or qualified scholar, historian, or theologian support your claims.  Everything you have said in these posts are pointless gibberish.  The only real question is why are you waisting our time with such drivel?

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13 minutes ago, Knotical said:

Seems this was a trolling thread.  I doubt we will see him again.

That is all it was.  Steve is full of it and I don't mean good intentions.

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7 hours ago, Steve said:

The writings, the best I could determine, were in agreement in the Hebrew Bible but when I got to the New Testimony Class I found that lots of the different books/letters taught the exact opposite of what other books taught.  I found that the teachings of Paul were, for the most part, contradictory in that Paul

New Testimony Class ? That's a new one on me. New Testament , yes, I've covered most if not all of that .

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8 hours ago, Steve said:

When I was 18 I attending a Baptist College and was required to take an Old Testament/Hebrew Bible Class and a New Testament/New Testimony Class.  The writings, the best I could determine, were in agreement in the Hebrew Bible but when I got to the New Testimony Class I found that lots of the different books/letters taught the exact opposite of what other books taught.  I found that the teachings of Paul were, for the most part, contradictory in that Paul would say one thing and then a few verses or chapters later Paul would say the exact opposite of what he had said earlier.  Paul would often talk out of both sides of his mouth, so to speak.  In a court of law a witness loses all credibility when he/she changes his/her testimony.  

 

I also noticed that Paul claimed to be an Apostle when there were already twelve Apostles.  I find no place in the Bible that says there will be thirteen Apostles.  So, I have determined that Paul was simply a self proclaimed Apostle and a false Apostle.  I have not found even one of the true Twelve Apostles that called Paul an Apostle.  It is my guess that Paul may very well have been a false Apostle and a person that made up tall tales.  A person that tells untruths is normally called a liar.  

 

Also, it is taught in the New Testimony that Paul was a willing part of the party that murdered Stephen.  The Hebrew Bible plainly teaches that anyone that sheds innocent blood is to be executed for such a heinous crime.

 

Genesis 9:6 ESV 

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

 

Could it be that Paul was a murderer, tare and false Apostle?  Could it be that Paul's books/letters cannot be trusted?

 

 

Steve is better gone. Thank you, @Origen for expediting his quick exit.

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6 hours ago, ConfessionalLutheran said:

Steve is better gone. Thank you, @Origen for expediting his quick exit.

I really don't get it.  These people come here promoting this nonsense without citing any sources or evidence whatsoever.  Do they think Christians are just going to accept what they claim without proof of some kind?  They are sadly and erroneously mistaken to think we are so gullible when in fact they are really the gullible ones for believing we would.

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On ‎8‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

When I was 18 I attending a Baptist College and was required to take an Old Testament/Hebrew Bible Class and a New Testament/New Testimony Class.  The writings, the best I could determine, were in agreement in the Hebrew Bible but when I got to the New Testimony Class I found that lots of the different books/letters taught the exact opposite of what other books taught.  I found that the teachings of Paul were, for the most part, contradictory in that Paul would say one thing and then a few verses or chapters later Paul would say the exact opposite of what he had said earlier.  Paul would often talk out of both sides of his mouth, so to speak.  In a court of law a witness loses all credibility when he/she changes his/her testimony.  

 

I also noticed that Paul claimed to be an Apostle when there were already twelve Apostles.  I find no place in the Bible that says there will be thirteen Apostles.  So, I have determined that Paul was simply a self proclaimed Apostle and a false Apostle.  I have not found even one of the true Twelve Apostles that called Paul an Apostle.  It is my guess that Paul may very well have been a false Apostle and a person that made up tall tales.  A person that tells untruths is normally called a liar.  

 

Also, it is taught in the New Testimony that Paul was a willing part of the party that murdered Stephen.  The Hebrew Bible plainly teaches that anyone that sheds innocent blood is to be executed for such a heinous crime.

 

Genesis 9:6 ESV 

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

 

Could it be that Paul was a murderer, tare and false Apostle?  Could it be that Paul's books/letters cannot be trusted?

 

 

If Paul was a false apostle then that would mean that half of the new testament would have to be trashed. Jesus warns about adding and removing from His Word.... Rev. 22:16-21

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It is true that a group of Religious scholars decided which texts to include and which ones to excluded.This did happen in the time of Constantine.Most of the rejected writings are still around should one be interested. They could no more agree on anything than we can today.Believe in Christ and leave the minutae to the nitpickers and the;(I got a degree;I must know what I'm talking about !) Saducees and pontificators.All that was asked of us Gentiles was that we not eat food consecrated to idols and live & believe as Jesus taught.Don't make faith harder than nesessary at a time when Christians have more enemies than our planet has insects. And ;"Yes", Steve was confused,so correct him in love ! Why condemn the kid for believing what his elders must have programed him with ?

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2 hours ago, pastor marty said:

It is true that a group of Religious scholars decided which texts to include and which ones to excluded.This did happen in the time of Constantine.

It is not true.  It never happened.  Cite primary sources!

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On 8/9/2018 at 2:33 PM, Steve said:

When I was 18 I attending a Baptist College and was required to take an Old Testament/Hebrew Bible Class and a New Testament/New Testimony Class.  The writings, the best I could determine, were in agreement in the Hebrew Bible but when I got to the New Testimony Class I found that lots of the different books/letters taught the exact opposite of what other books taught.  I found that the teachings of Paul were, for the most part, contradictory in that Paul would say one thing and then a few verses or chapters later Paul would say the exact opposite of what he had said earlier.  Paul would often talk out of both sides of his mouth, so to speak.  In a court of law a witness loses all credibility when he/she changes his/her testimony.  

 

I also noticed that Paul claimed to be an Apostle when there were already twelve Apostles.  I find no place in the Bible that says there will be thirteen Apostles.  So, I have determined that Paul was simply a self proclaimed Apostle and a false Apostle.  I have not found even one of the true Twelve Apostles that called Paul an Apostle.  It is my guess that Paul may very well have been a false Apostle and a person that made up tall tales.  A person that tells untruths is normally called a liar.  

 

Also, it is taught in the New Testimony that Paul was a willing part of the party that murdered Stephen.  The Hebrew Bible plainly teaches that anyone that sheds innocent blood is to be executed for such a heinous crime.

 

Genesis 9:6 ESV 

“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

 

Could it be that Paul was a murderer, tare and false Apostle?  Could it be that Paul's books/letters cannot be trusted?

 

 

IMO the Scripture as it is is not only complete, but sealed by The Holy Spirit, and there is a  stern warning not to add or remove anything.  IMO to question Paul is somewhat understandable, but for a Baptist College to not guide you into the point of completely trusting Paul's writings as authentic and given to him by the Holy Spirit poio to Liberal unorthodox garbage teaching.  Be wise and careful,  and Trust  the Bible.

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1 minute ago, Knotical said:

Let's not get too far into the weeds here guys.  The thread was started by a troll.

It makes no difference who, or what anyone thinks of the person, its the subject matter that I responded to. Even if this were a person who had posted a thousand times, my response would still be the  same. God bless.

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Just FYI:

"We know, from the writings of St. Irenaeus and others, and from actual textual discoveries, that the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were being bound together in codices and utilized exclusively in churches by the middle part of the second century, i.e. the 150’s A.D.  St. Irenaeus points out that this is the case in cities like Rome and Antioch, no proffering at that early point that those cities had some special authorities, but rather pointing out that at that early date, there was still a living memory in those Christian communities of the proclamation of the Apostles themselves to those communities, and this verified that these were the books which they had received from those same Apostles."

 

"Its is also now broadly accepted by scholars that by the year 100 A.D., St. Paul’s epistles had been gathered into a collection, and were circulating together, rather than as individual books.  One of our earliest manuscripts of St. Paul’s epistles is, in fact, an early edition of this collection, identified as Parchment 46.  This collection includes the Epistle to the Hebrews, directly after the Epistle to the Romans, but that is a subject for another time.  There is very good historical evidence, much of it from the controversy with Marcion at the very dawn of the second century, that already these two books, the codex of the Gospels and the codex of St. Paul’s epistles, were functioning as scripture in Christian worship throughout the world in a way very similar to their function today in the Orthodox Church.  In fact, 2 Peter 3:16 identifies St. Paul’s epistles as scripture."

 

- (Fr. Stephen De Young)

 

 

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OK,Origen;who selected which books stayed and which got shredded ? You got nothing better to do than try to discredit everyone by demanding evidence. Well,not gonna work here'You go look it up if you are so concerned.I don't need to know the name ;add. & ph. # of every judge on the panel. I'm not that dense ! The facts remain regardless of who made the descision.Or do you deny that hundreds of essays ;previously accepted,were rejected from the New Test.by somebody ??

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1 hour ago, Just Mike said:

It makes no difference who, or what anyone thinks of the person, its the subject matter that I responded to. Even if this were a person who had posted a thousand times, my response would still be the  same. God bless.

First of all look at who responded and how they responded.  For the most part it was pretty much the same as more mature Christians chimed in on what was obviously an inflammatory post.  My point on this is to not something to get carried away with as was meant to stir people up.  Some of us fell for it hook-line-and-sinker.

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On 8/15/2018 at 11:48 AM, pastor marty said:

OK,Origen;who selected which books stayed and which got shredded ?

That has nothing to do with your claim.   I know you want to get out from under the microscope and make this about me rather than your claim, but there will be no changing of the subject.  You stated:

 

"It is true that a group of Religious scholars decided which texts to include and which ones to excluded. This did happen in the time of Constantine."

 

Now can you cite any primary sources?

 

On 8/15/2018 at 11:48 AM, pastor marty said:

You got nothing better to do than try to discredit everyone by demanding evidence.

Yeah that is just awful.  I want you to provide evidence to support your claim.  I ought to just take your word for it.

 

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!  Weak Marty very weak.  It is only a problem for those who cannot support their claims.  Hint, hint!

 

On 8/15/2018 at 11:48 AM, pastor marty said:

Well,not gonna work here'You go look it up if you are so concerned.

That tells us all everything we need to know.  In other words, you don't know of any primary sources.

 

On 8/15/2018 at 11:48 AM, pastor marty said:

I don't need to know the name ;add. & ph. # of every judge on the panel. I'm not that dense ! The facts remain regardless of who made the descision.

And that is why you believe a falsehood and cannot cite any primary sources to support your view.  Rigorous research is not for you.

 

On 8/15/2018 at 11:48 AM, pastor marty said:

Or do you deny that hundreds of essays ;previously accepted,were rejected from the New Test.by somebody ??

You haven't even supported your original claim yet (i.e. "It is true that a group of Religious scholars decided which texts to include and which ones to excluded.   This did happen in the time of Constantine.").  Prove first that it happen with primary sources.  Why don't you show us all the when and the where with primary sources?

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1 hour ago, Origen said:

That has nothing to do with your claim.   I know you want to get out from under the microscope and make this about me rather than your claim, but there will be no changing of the subject.   You said:

 

"It is true that a group of Religious scholars decided which texts to include and which ones to excluded. This did happen in the time of Constantine."

 

Now can you cite any primary sources?

 

Yeah that is just awful.  I want you to provide evidence to support your claim.  I ought to just take your word for it.

 

NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!  Weak Marty very weak.  It is only a problem for those who cannot support their claims.  Hint, hint!

 

That tell us all everything we need to know.  In other words, you don't know of any primary sources.

 

And that is why you believe a falsehood and cannot cite any primary sources to support your view.  Rigorous research is not for you.

 

You haven't even supported your original claim yet (i.e. "It is true that a group of Religious scholars decided which texts to include and which ones to excluded.This did happen in the time of Constantine.").  Prove that it happen in the first place with primary sources.  Why don't you all show us when and where with primary sources?

Origen, it seems odd to me that a pastor would challenge that Paul was not an Apostle or that the books the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write are Authentically to be called Scripture. 

 

It seems to me when a pastor is missing some basic understanding as to how all the books in the New Testament were determined to be Holy Scripture. This is so very important to be fully informed BEFORE one would even consider becoming a "pastor". Then again a "BISHOP" surly should have settled this issue long before this. What church or denomination would even ordain any man who has not settled this long before even considering going into ministry. Oh my this is  beyond my understanding!

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1 hour ago, Knotical said:

First of all look at who responded and how they responded.  For the most part it was pretty much the same as more mature Christians chimed in on what was obviously an inflammatory post.  My point on this is to not something to get carried away with as was meant to stir people up.  Some of us fell for it hook-line-and-sinker.

I had my mouth closed so the hook did not get me. I generally respond, not for the person who started this, but just giving my opinion. So I meant nothing towards anyone. I hope my post was not taken as being offensive. I just sometimes give my two cents worth. It might not be worth even one cent...God bless.

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      by J. C. Ryle 1. There is an undeniable zeal in some teachers of error–their “earnestness” makes many people think they must be right. 2. There is a great appearance of learning and theological knowledge–many think that such clever and intellectual men must surely be safe to listen to. 3. There is a general tendency to completely free and independent thinking today–many like to prove their independence of judgment by believing the newest ideas, which are nothing but novelties. 4. There is a wide-spread desire to appear kind, loving, and open-minded–many seem half-ashamed to say that anybody can be wrong or is a false teacher. 5. There is always a portion of half-truth taught by modern false teachers–they are always using scriptural words and phrases, but with unscriptural meaning. 6. There is a public craving for a more sensational and entertaining worship–people are impatient with the more inward and invisible work of God within the hearts of men. 7. There is a superficial readiness all around to believe anyone who talks cleverly, lovingly and earnestly, forgetting that Satan often masquerades himself as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14). 8. There is a wide-spread ignorance among professing Christians–every heretic who speaks well is surely believed, and anyone who doubts him is called narrow-minded and unloving. All these are especially symptoms of our times. I challenge any honest and observant person to deny them. These tend to make the assaults of false doctrine today especially dangerous and make it even more important to say loudly, “Do not be carried away with strange doctrine!”   View the full article

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    • Fusion GPS-Linked Group Worked With Tech Company Tied To Russian ‘False Flag’ Operation

      By Chuck Ross - A non-profit group linked to Fusion GPS has ties to a cybersecurity firm recently implicated in a self-described “false flag” operation in the Alabama Senate race. The Democracy Integrity Project, which works with Fusion GPS and dossier author Christopher Steele, partnered before the 2018 midterms with New Knowledge, an Austin-based firm that has been tied to an operation that created fake Russian bots in Alabama’s December 2017 special election. New Knowledge recently produced a report for the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and TDIP’s founder was in contact with two Democrats from the committee.  A nonprofit group linked to Fusion GPS and partially funded by George Soros worked in recent months with a technology company implicated in a scheme to use fake Russian bots during Alabama’s special Senate election. The groups, the Democracy Integrity Project (TDIP) and New Knowledge, partnered before the 2018 mid-terms to track alleged Russian disinformation networks, a website the organizations collaboratively run shows. Both organizations have links to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI), which is investigating Russian meddling in the 2016 election, as well as possible Trump campaign collusion. SSCI provided New Knowledge with data from various social media companies as part of an investigation into Russian disinformation networks, according to a report New Knowledge released Dec. 17. Two days later, news broke that New Knowledge’s chief executive was involved in a self-described “false flag” operation in the special election for a Senate seat in Alabama, as was another staffer who was the lead author on the Senate report. TDIP is also linked to the Senate Intelligence panel. Its founder, Daniel J. Jones, was previously a staffer for Democrats on SSCI. He was also in contact in early 2017 with Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the Democratic vice chairman of SSCI. As part of TDIP’s own Trump-Russia investigation, the group hired Fusion GPS and Christopher Steele, the author of the anti-Trump dossier. The extent of Warner’s contacts with Jones remain unclear. The collaboration between TDIP and New Knowledge, which has not been previously reported, involved a dashboard set up at the site, Disinfo2018.com, which tracked “social media disinformation networks — to include suspected foreign state-actors — conducting information warfare against the American public prior to the 2018 U.S. midterm elections.” The project appears similar to Hamilton 68, a dashboard operated by the Alliance for Security Democracy. Jonathon Morgan, the founder of New Knowledge, helped create Hamilton 68 and has appeared frequently in the media to discuss Russia’s disinformation efforts. In an interview with BBC, Morgan claimed Russians were behind #ReleaseTheMemo, the hashtag used to call for the release of a memo from House Intel Republicans that questioned the FBI’s reliance on the unverified Steele dossier to obtain surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. But New Knowledge and Morgan are now known for their tactics during the December 2017 Alabama special election. The New York Times published a damning exposé Dec. 19, 2018, showing New Knowledge operatives targeted conservative Alabamans with fake Facebook pages intended to sow doubt about Roy Moore, the controversial Republican candidate. The operatives also created thousands of fake Russian Twitter accounts set to follow Moore. The effect was that numerous news outlets reported Moore was being supported by a Russian disinformation network. New Knowledge has come under heavy criticism following the report, largely because the firm’s tactics in Alabama so closely mirrored the Russian efforts they say they oppose. Morgan, a former State Department adviser, said the Alabama project was merely an experiment that had no impact on the special election, which was won by Democrat Doug Jones. The Washington Post reported New Knowledge authored a document describing the Alabama false flag operation, but Morgan has denied that claim and said he was unaware of most of the activities detailed in it. New Knowledge’s Senate report on Russian disinformation networks makes clear its investigation was undertaken at the request of SSCI. But an SSCI official told TheDCNF the committee did not pay New Knowledge and TDIP has never been hired for any work. The official also noted that SSCI does not necessarily endorse New Knowledge’s findings. TDIP has maintained a lower profile than New Knowledge. Most of what’s known about the group has been revealed only through Adam Waldman, an attorney who had contact with the organization in 2017. Information that Jones, the TDIP founder, provided to the FBI was also released in an April 27, 2018, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence report. Jones, who registered TDIP on Jan. 31, 2017, told the FBI in late March 2017 his organization had hired Fusion GPS and Steele, a former MI6 officer, to continue investigations into Russian meddling in the U.S. elections that began with funding from the DNC and Clinton campaign. Jones also told the FBI that the project had received $50 million in funding from between seven and 10 wealthy liberal donors. IRS records suggest that TDIP did not receive all of that funding at once. Information from the nonprofit’s tax filings show that the group received $9 million in 2017. Around the same time as his meeting with the FBI, Jones reached out to Waldman, an attorney with a myriad of links to players in the Russia saga. Waldman represented Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and has apparent links to Steele. Waldman told TheDCNF Jones said to him that Fusion GPS was involved with TDIP. He also said Jones claimed Soros had provided funding for TDIP’s anti-Trump operation. Waldman also provided text messages from March 17, 2017, in which Jones said TDIP helped plant anti-Trump news stories. “Our team helped with this,” Jones wrote to Waldman, linking to a Reuters article about Russian investment in Florida properties owned by President Donald Trump. Waldman also exchanged text messages with Warner that suggested the Virginia Democrat was in close contact with Jones. In an April 25, 2017, text message to Warner, Waldman said Steele had told him “Dan Jones is coming to see you.” The interactions between Warner, Waldman, Steele and Jones remain one of the enduring puzzles of SSCI’s Russia probe. The committee has refused to discuss the matter. But Warner was not Jones’s only Democratic contact on SSCI. According to New Yorker article published Oct. 15, 2018, an unidentified Democratic senator other than Warner contacted Jones in early 2017 to review data related to Alfa Bank, a Russian bank whose computer servers allegedly had back-channel contacts with Trump Organization computers. The Alfa Bank connection to Trump was first reported by Slate on Oct. 31, 2016. Alfa Bank’s founders are also accused of having cozy relations with the Kremlin in Steele’s dossier. The claims of illicit contact between Alfa Bank and Trump Organization have remain unverified, with some computer experts doubting the theory. Neither TDIP nor New Knowledge responded to multiple requests for comment. Content created by The Daily Caller News Foundation is available without charge to any eligible news publisher that can provide a large audience. For licensing opportunities of our original content, please contact [email protected] Fusion GPS-Linked Group Worked With Tech Company Tied To Russian ‘False Flag’ Operation is original content from Conservative Daily News - Where Americans go for news, current events and commentary they can trust - Conservative News Website for U.S. News, Political Cartoons and more. View the original full article

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    • Here Are The Obama-Era Officials Allegedly Behind The Alabama False Flag Campaign

      By Chris White - Two Obama-era officials were instrumental in the false flag operation in Alabama ahead of the special election in 2017  One of the Obama-era officials behind the misinformation campaign in Alabama finally opens up about his group’s role in the caper  Two  of the people involved in the social media misinformation campaign in Alabama are denying their roles in the operation, reports show A trove of reports show that two Obama-era officials are partially responsible for a misinformation campaign designed to derail Republican Roy Moore’s senatorial campaign in Alabama. Former President Barack Obama campaign organizer, Mickey Dickerson, was instrumental in a disinformation campaign targeting Moore, reports show. He was not alone. Evan Coren, who has worked for the National Archives unit since Obama’s first term, also targeted the Republican’s campaign. Coren, for his part, is a progressive activist who handles classified documents for the Department of Energy. He has not responded to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s request for comment about the nature of the campaign, which was designed to fool conservatives into believing Moore intended to reimpose prohibition. Coren and other operatives created a “Dry Alabama” Facebook page with a blunt message attached: Alcohol is evil and should be prohibited, The New York Times reported Monday, citing sources. The page included images of car wrecks and ruined families, the report notes. Its contents were targeted at business conservatives who are inclined to oppose prohibition. Two wealthy Virginia donors who wanted to defeat Moore funded the project, according to a person who worked on the project and who spoke on condition of anonymity. The Dry Alabama project was one of two $100,000 campaigns designed to help Moore’s Democratic opponent, Doug Jones, who barely won the 2017 special election. Jones has previously stated that his campaign was unaware of the project and is also calling for an investigation into who is behind the antics. Political analysts believe allegations that Moore sexually assaulted underage women three decades earlier likely played a larger part in his loss. Coren’s false flag operation happened alongside a similar campaign by Dickerson, a former Obama official known for fixing the government’s notoriously glitchy Obamacare website. Operatives with New Knowledge, a group affiliated with Dickerson, created thousands of Twitter accounts posing as Russian bots to boost the election-year chances of Jones – the accounts began following Moore’s Twitter account in October 2017. The project created a slew of Facebook accounts as well that were designed to troll conservatives into opposing Moore. But the misinformation project attracted attention from local and national media, falsely suggesting Russia was backing Moore’s candidacy. The Montgomery Advertiser, for one, was the first to cover the story using the Russian-bot angle. National media outlets quickly followed suit. “Roy Moore flooded with fake Russian Twitter followers,” read the headline on a New York Post story, which cited the Advertiser. WaPo focused its reporting on that fact that Moore blamed Democrats for the fake accounts. Other major national outlets picked up on the story shortly thereafter, with many pundits mocking Moore for blaming Democratic operatives. The cost of the effort, which was funded by liberal billionaire Reid Hoffman, totaled $100,000 — the identical amount Facebook says the Russian Internet Research Agency spent trolling people on social media leading up to the 2016 presidential election. Dickerson, who has not responded to TheDCNF’s repeated requests for comment about the campaign, finally responded to reporters on Monday. “I received the report in early 2018, which is when I first learned about the false flag and write-in tactics,” Dickerson said in a press statement, referring to a 12-page report from New Knowledge detailing crucial elements of the project. Jonathon Morgan, head of New Knowledge, denies knowledge of most of the activities described in the Project Birmingham document. He also denies Dickerson’s claim that New Knowledge authored the report. Content created by The Daily Caller News Foundation is available without charge to any eligible news publisher that can provide a large audience. For licensing opportunities of our original content, please contact [email protected] Here Are The Obama-Era Officials Allegedly Behind The Alabama False Flag Campaign is original content from Conservative Daily News - Where Americans go for news, current events and commentary they can trust - Conservative News Website for U.S. News, Political Cartoons and more. View the original full article

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