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Is America the endtime Beast country prophesized in Revelation and Daniel?

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Rev. 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, AND with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Mat 23:34  Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 
Mat 23:35  That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 
Mat 23:36  Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 
Mat 23:37  O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 
 

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 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Revelation 19:20 ESV

 

This proves that both of the beasts were people, not nations.

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On 12/14/2018 at 5:45 PM, davidtaylorjr said:

Don't know and I think it is foolish to try and guess.

John says blessed is he who understands these words in the Book of Revelation.  I think we are intended to at least try to figure it out.

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1 hour ago, CDF47 said:

John says blessed is he who understands these words in the Book of Revelation.  I think we are intended to at least try to figure it out.

The problem is according to you NO ONE could have understood for almost 17 centuries.  The U.S did not come into being until 1776.

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1 hour ago, Origen said:

The problem is according to you NO ONE could have understood for almost 17 centuries.  The U.S did not come into being until 1776.

 

A prophet knowing the future knows.

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On 12/16/2018 at 1:48 PM, CDF47 said:

A prophet knowing the future knows.

I did not say a prophet didn't.  I just followed the logic of your claim.

 

You said: "John says blessed is he who understands these words in the Book of Revelation."    

 

If it is the U.S. as you said,

and blessed are those who understand,

it follows that no one was blessed for almost 17 centuries because no one could have understood it was the U.S. before the U.S. existed.

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4 hours ago, Origen said:

I did not say a prophet didn't.  I just followed the logic of your claim.

 

You said: "John says blessed is he who understands these words in the Book of Revelation."    

 

If it is the U.S. as you said,

and blessed are those who understand,it follows that no one was blessed for almost 17 centuries because no one could have understood it was the U.S. before the U.S. existed.

That wasn't a direct quote but a summary of what John said. John stated, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

 

It took time for the RCC and US to come to fruition. 

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50 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

That wasn't a direct quote but a summary of what John said. John stated, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."

 

It took time for the RCC and US to come to fruition.

Nevertheless I simply followed what you said to it logical conclusion.

 

However it is interesting what you claimed John said he actually did not say.  You said "John says blessed is he who understands these words in the Book of Revelation."  He never used the word "understand."

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37 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

It took time for the RCC and US to come to fruition. 

 

You need to get off this kick that the second beast is the USA. The first beast is the Roman Empire. Both Hitler and Mussolini considered themselves resurrected Rome. They received the wound in the head: We completely stripped Germany and Italy of their colonies and wealth and even occupied Germany after two world wars, we were fed up. We almost didn't stop Germany the last time why should we let it come to power again. But wait! They are already a power again, and a nuclear power at that. It seems we don't learn our lessons.

 

Anyway, the second beast comes in as a lamb (two horns) and spiritually gets in bed with the first beast. The second beast is the RCC. Catholicism is Europe's identity. The Papacy has been and will be actively involved with the new ECC. The RCC has a lot of property in the USA but they still don't have influence over the government like they do in Europe. Not likely to get it either.

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1 hour ago, Origen said:

Nevertheless I simply followed what you said to it logical conclusion.

 

However it is interesting what you claimed John said he actually did not say.  You said "John says blessed is he who understands these words in the Book of Revelation."  He never used the word "understand."

Yeah, I clarified that with the exact quote.

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1 hour ago, deade said:

 

You need to get off this kick that the second beast is the USA. The first beast is the Roman Empire. Both Hitler and Mussolini considered themselves resurrected Rome. They received the wound in the head: We completely stripped Germany and Italy of their colonies and wealth and even occupied Germany after two world wars, we were fed up. We almost didn't stop Germany the last time why should we let it come to power again. But wait! They are already a power again, and a nuclear power at that. It seems we don't learn our lessons.

 

Anyway, the second beast comes in as a lamb (two horns) and spiritually gets in bed with the first beast. The second beast is the RCC. Catholicism is Europe's identity. The Papacy has been and will be actively involved with the new ECC. The RCC has a lot of property in the USA but they still don't have influence over the government like they do in Europe. Not likely to get it either.

What's the ECC?

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