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After Adam-Eve went crazy and folks devolved into sadistic selfish monsters, resulting in the flood, with only 8 survivors, did all animals all die? If they did, how were they re-created? Thanks.

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After Adam-Eve went crazy and folks devolved into sadistic selfish monsters, resulting in the flood, with only 8 survivors, did all animals all die? If they did, how were they re-created? Thanks.


Hi Winken, "they entered the Ark two by two" :RpS_smile:

The Great Flood


Genesis 7

1 The LORD said to Noah, “Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.

You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female

also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth

4 For after seven more days I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights, and I will destroy from the face of the earth all living things that I have made.”

5 And Noah did according to all that the LORD commanded him.

6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters were on the earth.

7 So Noah, with his sons, his wife, and his sons’ wives, went into the ark because of the waters of the flood.

Of clean animals, of animals that are unclean, of birds, and of everything that creeps on the earth

two by two they went into the ark to Noah, male and female, as God had commanded Noah

10 And it came to pass after seven days that the waters of the flood were on the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.

13 On the very same day Noah and Noah’s sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark—

they and every beast after its kind, all cattle after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort

And they went into the ark to Noah, two by two, of all flesh in which is the breath of life

So those that entered, male and female of all flesh, went in as God had commanded him; and the LORD shut him in


Genesis 8

13 Now it came about in the six hundred and first year, in the first month, on the first of the month, the water was dried up from the earth. Then Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold, the surface of the ground was dried up.

14 In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry.

15 Then God spoke to Noah, saying,

16 “Go out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and your sons’ wives with you.

Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you, birds and animals and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, that they may breed abundantly on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth

18 So Noah went out, and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives with him.

Every beast, every creeping thing, and every bird, everything that moves on the earth, went out by their families from the ark





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I was testing everyone to see who couldn't answer the question, or would come up with .............. NO!!!


It was either my Alzheimers, Senility, or ...... (can't remember the other one).


O! Here it is: dementia !!!!



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