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Was Jesus really a pacifist?

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6 hours ago, CompleteAgape said:

Examples and teachings from God in the OT were for the Hebrews/Jews.  God's teachings for His people today do not come from the OT, they come from Jesus.  Jesus did away with that and established a new way in which God desires His people to live.  One example of numerous, numerous, numerous principles of Jesus is when He references the OT: you know from old an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth is justifiable, BUT I SAY to you turn the other check when you are hit.  What is the principle?  Before, God allowed equal retaliation/punishment; yet now Jesus is instructing man that this is no longer applicable.  Man is not to retaliate and seek or expect retribution.  The nature, characteristics, responsibilities, expectations of God is not a reasoning for us living a certain way.  The life of Jesus as a man is the way we are to live and His principles are very clear if we let them speak to us without prejudice.

The Lord of the OT and Jesus are one in the same.  The teachings did not change.  In fact, Jesus condemned people and also flipped tables and struck people with a whip.  Jesus was no pacifist.  Self-Defense is justified to kill, as is warfare, and just hunting.  Exodus 15:3 states, "The LORD is a Man of War.  The LORD is His Name."Jesus is a Man of War as stated in this OT verse and King  David is a man after His own heart. 

 

Now, regarding an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, that was in regards to a civil court government system to be established.  That was not in regards to a vigilante system of justice.  I think the Hebrews were using that verse to get even with enemies in a vigilante way rather than only in a court system as intended and Jesus clarified the point.

 

Many people are confused and think the OT Lord is any different than Jesus of the NT.  The Lord is the same today, as He was yesterday, and will be forever.

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As far as Jesus’ earthy example (his 33 years among us), I agree with the evaluation of Marin Luther King, Jr that Jesus was not a pacifist, but a non-violent activist.  For example, Jesus not only violated the ‘religious authority’ man made prohibitions on the Sabbath by healing the lame man.  He made a public spectacle of the fact by commanding the healed man to carry his bed through town (a human prohibited action).

 

The clearing of the temple has been mentioned already.  However a careful reading of the events will reveal that no person was either injured or suffered permanent loss.  The whip drove the animals out of the temple (forcing the sellers of animals to chase after their livestock to recover them).  The tables were overturned (forcing the money changers to scramble in the dirt to recover their coins).  The sellers of birds fled with their cages (since releasing the birds would have caused them real, permanent loss).  Jesus directed his violence against EVIL and not against people.

 

The error is in the assumption that we must do exactly what Jesus did and must not do anything that Jesus did not do.  As citizens of both our earthly communities and our heavenly kingdom, we have no right to pursue vengeance or vigilante justice.  Our opposition to personal and institutional evil should follow Jesus example.  We have no Christian right to murder abortion providers to save babies.  However, Caesar does not wield the sword for nothing and the Government (including Christians who serve the government) have a duty to enforce both Law and Justice (not contrary to the Laws of God and their conscience.)

 

 

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The Old Testament is not changed, but rather fulfilled. 

 

There has always been a season for everything, there always will be. We cannot sit back and watch innocent people victimized, yet at the same time we have to weigh our actions with God's Will, and I think different situations have potential for different actions and reactions on our part. 

 

Our dying words at the hands of persecutors and our actions in these situations can turn the heart of those who persecute us toward God and salvation. 

 

Our protection of the innocent from harm can do the same. 

 

I believe that we will know what to do, when each situation comes upon us, if we but ask God.

 

We never fear our own death or persecution, but we also have a love of the innocent and it is unbearable to watch people be harmed. 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, atpollard said:

As far as Jesus’ earthy example (his 33 years among us), I agree with the evaluation of Marin Luther King, Jr that Jesus was not a pacifist, but a non-violent activist.  For example, Jesus not only violated the ‘religious authority’ man made prohibitions on the Sabbath by healing the lame man.  He made a public spectacle of the fact by commanding the healed man to carry his bed through town (a human prohibited action).

 

The clearing of the temple has been mentioned already.  However a careful reading of the events will reveal that no person was either injured or suffered permanent loss.  The whip drove the animals out of the temple (forcing the sellers of animals to chase after their livestock to recover them).  The tables were overturned (forcing the money changers to scramble in the dirt to recover their coins).  The sellers of birds fled with their cages (since releasing the birds would have caused them real, permanent loss).  Jesus directed his violence against EVIL and not against people.

 

The error is in the assumption that we must do exactly what Jesus did and must not do anything that Jesus did not do.  As citizens of both our earthly communities and our heavenly kingdom, we have no right to pursue vengeance or vigilante justice.  Our opposition to personal and institutional evil should follow Jesus example.  We have no Christian right to murder abortion providers to save babies.  However, Caesar does not wield the sword for nothing and the Government (including Christians who serve the government) have a duty to enforce both Law and Justice (not contrary to the Laws of God and their conscience.)

 

 

That's a great way to put it..

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52 minutes ago, atpollard said:

As far as Jesus’ earthy example (his 33 years among us), I agree with the evaluation of Marin Luther King, Jr that Jesus was not a pacifist, but a non-violent activist.  For example, Jesus not only violated the ‘religious authority’ man made prohibitions on the Sabbath by healing the lame man.  He made a public spectacle of the fact by commanding the healed man to carry his bed through town (a human prohibited action).

 

The clearing of the temple has been mentioned already.  However a careful reading of the events will reveal that no person was either injured or suffered permanent loss.  The whip drove the animals out of the temple (forcing the sellers of animals to chase after their livestock to recover them).  The tables were overturned (forcing the money changers to scramble in the dirt to recover their coins).  The sellers of birds fled with their cages (since releasing the birds would have caused them real, permanent loss).  Jesus directed his violence against EVIL and not against people.

 

The error is in the assumption that we must do exactly what Jesus did and must not do anything that Jesus did not do.  As citizens of both our earthly communities and our heavenly kingdom, we have no right to pursue vengeance or vigilante justice.  Our opposition to personal and institutional evil should follow Jesus example.  We have no Christian right to murder abortion providers to save babies.  However, Caesar does not wield the sword for nothing and the Government (including Christians who serve the government) have a duty to enforce both Law and Justice (not contrary to the Laws of God and their conscience.)

 

 

Joh 2:13  And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 
Joh 2:14  And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 
Joh 2:15  And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; 
Joh 2:16  And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 


Mat 21:12  And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 

 

I am interested to understand how, why you woud say

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 However a careful reading of the events will reveal that no person was either injured or suffered permanent loss

when i read no mention either way? 

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8 hours ago, Becky said:

Joh 2:13  And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, 
Joh 2:14  And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 
Joh 2:15  And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; 
Joh 2:16  And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 


Mat 21:12  And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 

 

I am interested to understand how, why you woud say

when i read no mention either way? 

 

  • [John 2:15-16 NASB] 15 And He made a scourge of cords, and drove [them] all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; 16 and to those who were selling the doves He said, "Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business."
  • [John 2:15-16 NIV] 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father's house into a market!"
  • [John 2:15-16 NLT] 15 Jesus made a whip from some ropes and chased them all out of the Temple. He drove out the sheep and cattle, scattered the money changers' coins over the floor, and turned over their tables. 16 Then, going over to the people who sold doves, he told them, "Get these things out of here. Stop turning my Father's house into a marketplace!"

So let us start with the easy part.  It states NOTHING about Jesus striking a moneychanger or those selling doves. It is very clear what Jesus did do to each of these two groups:  Jesus poured out the coins and overturned the tables of the money changers.  Jesus spoke to the sellers of doves.

 

So now it is time to deal with the whip.  First, ‘drove’ is a term generally used to describe animals more than people.  One “drives” a herd and “chases” a crowd.

Second, is it safe to assume that the Word made Flesh knows the wisdom of Proverbs and the Law?

 

  • [Proverbs 26:3 NASB] A whip is for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, And a rod for the back of fools.
  • [Deuteronomy 25:1-2 NASB] 1 "If there is a dispute between men and they go to court, and the judges decide their case, and they justify the righteous and condemn the wicked, 2 then it shall be if the wicked man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall then make him lie down and be beaten in his presence with the number of stripes according to his guilt.

 

So a whip (scourge) is for animals and a rod is for people.  Jesus made a whip.

The Law requires a man be tried in court and convicted by judges before he can be beaten.  Did Jesus violate the Law? (If so, Christ was not sinless and we are all damned).

 

So the reading that Jesus used the whip to drive out all the animals is the only possible one.

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Thank you for the information. 

John 2:15 implies to me He went after "them', 'those that sold, and the changers of money,  which are described in 14. 

Wont hurt for me to look deeper into what you have presented ☺️ thanks again.

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On 6/9/2018 at 9:04 PM, CompleteAgape said:

God is clear that He is the only one with the authority to exact revenge; not Christians.

Governments are established to be his servants in carrying out revenge.  A Christian can help avenge wrong if he is acting as an agent of the government.

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Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
Joh 1:4  In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 
2Ti_3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 
 

Maybe you are one who  believes only the recorded life of Jesus is for teaching. If this is so then this Scripture is of no value to you.

 

Joh 21:25  And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. 

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13 hours ago, atpollard said:

 Did Jesus violate the Law? (If so, Christ was not sinless and we are all damned).

Is Christ under the law or sovereign over it?  If He is sovereign over the law He cannot break it; for the law has change because He so wishes. (IMO)

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Jesus/God can do nothing that is not Godly.

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3 hours ago, Fastfredy0 said:

Is Christ under the law or sovereign over it?  If He is sovereign over the law He cannot break it; for the law has change because He so wishes. (IMO)

Are you advocating that Jesus was not able to obey the Law of Moses given to Israel and is only "sinless" because the Christ has a special right to break the Law and change it so it doesn't count against him?

The fact that Jesus lived a sinless life and ALWAYS obeyed the Law given to Moses is sort of the point of what makes him qualified to be the Great High Priest.

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28 minutes ago, atpollard said:

Are you advocating that Jesus was not able to obey the Law of Moses given to Israel

No, He is omnipotent.  This was child's play for Him.

 

54 minutes ago, atpollard said:

is only "sinless" because the Christ has a special right to break the Law and change it so it doesn't count against him?

Sin is a transgression of God's law. Since God is the only lawgiver, and the only standard of right and wrong, for him to become a sinner, he would have to impose a law upon himself, break this law, and the judge himself as a transgressorAs long as God approves himself, he is righteous by definition, and he is never a sinner or wrongdoer. It is wrong for God to be the author of sin only if he has declared that it is wrong for him to be the author of sin. It is not up to theologians to invent a problem for him (as you have done IMO) and then rescue him from it.

 

56 minutes ago, atpollard said:

The fact that Jesus lived a sinless life and ALWAYS obeyed the Law given to Moses is sort of the point of what makes him qualified to be the Great High Priest.

I would quibble that it is 'a' point and not 'the' point.  He also, a priest, must present a blood sacrifice to expiate God for example. 

"Thou art a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek," (Psalm 110:4) shows He was a priest long before the LAW which you indicate "makes him qualified to be Great High Priest".  

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6 minutes ago, Fastfredy0 said:

No, He is omnipotent.  This was child's play for Him.

Yet you advocate that he did not keep the Law.

 

Law of Moses:

[Deu 25:1-3 NASB] 1 "If there is a dispute between men and they go to court, and the judges decide their case, and they justify the righteous and condemn the wicked, 2 then it shall be if the wicked man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall then make him lie down and be beaten in his presence with the number of stripes according to his guilt. 3 "He may beat him forty times [but] no more, so that he does not beat him with many more stripes than these and your brother is not degraded in your eyes.

 

Paul objecting to a violation of that Law:

[Act 23:1-3 NASB] 1 Paul, looking intently at the Council, said, "Brethren, I have lived my life with a perfectly good conscience before God up to this day." 2 The high priest Ananias commanded those standing beside him to strike him on the mouth. 3 Then Paul said to him, "God is going to strike you, you whitewashed wall! Do you sit to try me according to the Law, and in violation of the Law order me to be struck?"

 

Jesus violating that same law (if Jesus beat people with the whip):

[Jhn 2:13-16 NASB] 13 The Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who were selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers seated [at their tables.] 15 And He made a scourge of cords, and drove [them] all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables; 16 and to those who were selling the doves He said, "Take these things away; stop making My Father's house a place of business."

 

Did Jesus live as a man and obey the Law of Moses, or not?

 

19 minutes ago, Fastfredy0 said:

Sin is a transgression of God's law. Since God is the only lawgiver, and the only standard of right and wrong, for him to become a sinner, he would have to impose a law upon himself, break this law, and the judge himself as a transgressorAs long as God approves himself, he is righteous by definition, and he is never a sinner or wrongdoer. It is wrong for God to be the author of sin only if he has declared that it is wrong for him to be the author of sin. It is not up to theologians to invent a problem for him (as you have done IMO) and then rescue him from it. 

 

So even Jesus did not obey all the Law of Moses?

God made a Law for men that even He did not keep?

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5 hours ago, Fastfredy0 said:
18 hours ago, atpollard said:

 Did Jesus violate the Law? (If so, Christ was not sinless and we are all damned). 

Is Christ under the law or sovereign over it?  If He is sovereign over the law He cannot break it; for the law has change because He so wishes. (IMO)

Keeping in mind the genesis of the tangential discussion as stated above ...  You stated Jesus sin if He violated the law.   My contention is that Jesus is NOT under the law; the rule does not rule Him.  

 

 

18 minutes ago, atpollard said:

Yet you advocate that he did not keep the Law.

I made not such statement.  I did not advocate either way.   I believe your conclusion that Christ would have sinned if He broke the law is invalid because He is not subject to the law; the law is subject to the sovereign.

 

28 minutes ago, atpollard said:

Did Jesus live as a man and obey the Law of Moses, or not?

This is not relevant to my point.  My point is GOD is sovereign and as such is not subject to the law.

 

Aside:

The Law - Thou shall not kill

Story of Noah ... God send flood to kill people

Now, if I send a flood and kill people I would be found guilty of breaking the law.  God does it and it is not a sin or ethical problem because He is not under the law; he is sovereign and can do as He pleases and does all things according to His nature.

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29 minutes ago, Fastfredy0 said:

Keeping in mind the genesis of the tangential discussion as stated above ...  You stated Jesus sin if He violated the law.   My contention is that Jesus is NOT under the law; the rule does not rule Him.  

I disagree.

(There is little point in being incarnated and not being subject to the rules of being a man.  It proves that even a perfect-man did not keep God's Laws and it makes a mockery of Hebrews 4:15 )

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Heb_4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 
 

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1 hour ago, Becky said:

Heb_4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 
 

A lot of people struggle with Hebrews 4:15 when they come to know that Jesus does not have a sin nature. They ask, how can He be tempted without a sin nature?

 

Again, the Sixth commandment has both a negative and positive sense. The negative sense being You shall not murder. If we ask ourselves why we should not murder (what am I, my brothers keeper?) then the positive sense should be made apparent to us. We have a duty to preserve life, that is, the innocent life of our neighbor.

 

God bless,

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On 5/28/2017 at 5:46 PM, CompleteAgape said:

 

The life of Christians: what they say and do. How Christians treat others.

I’ve read a couple of these pages and have found your responses to be even tempered, well considered and they appear to stem from a firm faith in Christ and a nonviolent understanding of his teaching. I say keep the faith brother and God bless you. Many may not agree with your stance, however do not be dissuaded. We are to, “seek our own salvation”. 

Romans 12:18   If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

 

In Christ

 

Peter and his ear strike

I figure he was really good with a sword to take off an ear without any further damage….

Or he asked the guy to lean his head back and sideways.

Finally, as God reminded Elijah, He has people in places we are unaware of. There is a need for medics in the military.

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On 5/26/2017 at 7:15 PM, CompleteAgape said:

Also, God's intended purpose is to be carried out by Christians not the earthly government

 

So should Christians have done the Lord's will with all the killing in many stories instead of using evil unbelieving governments to carry out His judgement?

I also am quite sure the apostles did not die prematurely as stated above somewhere. Maybe Christ died prematurely too then. Of course, if He did, a lot of prophecy was fulfilled for nothing.

Also, Jesus showed incredible restraint when He was ticked off and flipped the tables in the temple. I think God is gonna flip the world next time.

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           1. The worship of the Father and the worship of the Lord Jesus is demonstrated by Luke in Christ's prayer to the Father (Luke 23:34, 46) and in Stephen's prayer to Christ (Acts 7:59-60). Some try to evade the fact that the Lord Jesus is being prayed to by pointing out that Stephen was experiencing a vision of the Lord Jesus so it really doesn't constitute a prayer. However, the vision took place in the city while the prayer took place after he was "cast out of the city" (Acts 7:58). Others have claimed that since Paul appealed (epikaloumai) to Caesar (Acts 25:11) it doesn't mean that when Stephen called (epikaloumenon) to the Lord Jesus prayer is involved. To this it is answered that in Acts 7:59 the Lord Jesus heard what Stephen said at that very moment. The same can not be said concerning Caesar's ability to hear what Paul spoke at that precise moment. One must consider how the Greek word is used in context. Indeed, concerning the Greek word deomai (Strong's #1189) we see that in Luke 9:40 a man "begged" (deomai) Christ's disciples. This doesn't mean he prayed to them even though deomai is used in Luke 10:2 concerning praying (deomai) to the Lord of the harvest. Notice as well that Paul's verbal appeal to Caesar pales in significance to what Stephen expressed. Stephen called out to the Lord Jesus to receive his spirit. This carries with it the idea that the Lord Jesus is God the Creator (see Ecclesiastes 12:7 below). In addition to this is the fact that the Lord Jesus, being the Heart-knower of all, fully knew what Stephen was going to say even before he spoke. This is a powerful proof of His Deity. Stephen prayed to the Lord Jesus, but Paul did not pray to Caesar. Still others maintain that Stephen prayed to the Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59 but that he prayed to the Father in Acts 7:60. This assertion is really absurd. While the rocks mercilessly pummeled Stephen there is no need for him to say the "Lord Jesus" when he already clearly did so in Acts 7:59.   Acts 9:14
      And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name. (ESV)     
           1. Allen P. Ross: In the NT the word is used is many of the same ways as in the OT, but most notable is the way that the name of Jesus is substituted for the name of God. Now one can call on (i.e., worship) the name of Jesus (Acts 9:14) (NIDOTTE 4:151, name - shem).     
           2. Barclay Newman and Eugene Nida: The phrase call on your name is equivalent to "worship you" (A Translator's Handbook on The Acts of the Apostles, Acts 9:14, page 191).[*1]           3. Daniel Whedon: A clear declaration that the very peculiarity of the Christian was praying to Jesus.
      http://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/acts-9.html#1      4. J. C. O'Neill: To call on the name of the Lord Jesus was to worship the God of Israel (The Use of KYRIOS in the Book of Acts, Scottish Journal of Theology, Volume 8, Issue 2, c. June, 1955, page 172).   [*1] Calling upon the name of the Lord (Acts 9:14) also means to believe in the Lord (Acts 22:19).  Acts 9:14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name. (ESV)      Acts 22:19 And I said, Lord, they themselves know that in one synagogue after another I imprisoned and beat those who believed in you. (ESV)  If anyone claims to believe in Jesus but refuses to worship Jesus then they do not believe in the biblical Jesus (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:4). Indeed, just as believing in God with all of one's household implies the worship of God (Acts 16:34), so too does believing in the Lord Jesus with all of one's household imply the worship of the Lord Jesus (Acts 18:8).
      Acts 9:21
      All those hearing him continued to be amazed, and were saying, "Is this not he who in Jerusalem destroyed those who called on this name, and who had come here for the purpose of bringing them bound before the chief priests?" (NASB - the underlined is mine) Galatians 1:23 but only, they kept hearing, "He who once persecuted us is now preaching the faith which he once tried to destroy." (NASB - the underlined is mine) Jude 1:3 Beloved, while I was making every effort to write you about our common salvation, I felt the necessity to write to you appealing that you contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints. (NASB - the underlined is mine)      1. Praying to the Lord Jesus as YHWH (Acts 9:21)[*1] is equated with "the faith" (Galatians 1:23)[*2] that Christians must "contend earnestly for" (Jude 1:3). Those who refuse to pray to the Lord Jesus as YHWH do not belong to the Christian faith for their faith/gospel is accursed (Galatians 1:8-9).[*3]      [*1] Those who have been sanctified by faith in Christ Jesus are the same ones who have called upon His name as YHWH in prayer. Acts 26:18 to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me. (NASB - the underlined is mine) 1 Corinthians 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours. (NASB - the underlined is mine)   [*2] The same Greek word (portheo) is employed for "destroyed" in Acts 9:21 and "destroy" in Galatians 1:23.   [*3] Concerning "the faith" in Galatians 1:23 the BDAG (3rd Edition) reads: If the principal component of Christianity is faith, then p. can be understood as the Gospel in terms of the commitment it evokes (pistis, page 820).   Acts 22:16-21 (The Lord of the temple) (16) Now why do you delay? Get up and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name.’
      (17) “It happened when I returned to Jerusalem and was praying in the temple, that I fell into a trance,
      (18) and I saw Him saying to me, ‘Make haste, and get out of Jerusalem quickly, because they will not accept your testimony about Me.’
      (19) And I said, ‘Lord, they themselves understand that in one synagogue after another I used to imprison and beat those who believed in You.
      (20) And when the blood of Your witness Stephen was being shed, I also was standing by approving, and watching out for the coats of those who were slaying him.’
      (21) And He said to me, ‘Go! For I will send you far away to the Gentiles.’” (NASB) Although occurring at different times both of Paul's prayers to the Lord Jesus are brought together by Luke in Acts 22:16-17. Paul calls upon the name of the Lord Jesus in prayer (Acts 22:16) and immediately afterwards he is praying in the temple (Acts 22:17).[*1] That the Lord Jesus responds (Acts 22:18) implies Paul was praying to Him on both occasions (Acts 22:16-17).   [*1] David Peterson: Moreover, Paul's vision implies that the risen Jesus is Lord of the temple, who reveals his will and commissions his servant in that context for his mission to the nations. The parallel with Isaiah's call in Isaiah 6 becomes all the more stunning when it is realised that the risen Lord Jesus takes the roll of 'the Lord God Almighty' in directing Paul and warning him about the opposition he will receive (cf. the recollection of Is. 6:9-10 in Acts 28:24-28) (The Acts of the Apostles, Pillar New Testament Commentary, page 604-605).  There are further similarities when we compare the missions given by the Lord to both Isaiah and to Paul while he was in the temple (the underlined below is mine). Isaiah 42:6-7 (6) I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness,
      I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You,
      And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people,
      As a light to the nations, (7) To open blind eyes,
      To bring out prisoners from the dungeon
      And those who dwell in darkness from the prison. (NASB) Acts 26:17-18 (17) rescuing you from the Jewish people and from the Gentiles, to whom I am sending you,
      (18) to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me. (NASB)  Notice as well that the Lord will watch over Isaiah (Isaiah 42:6) and in like manner rescue Paul (Acts 26:17). The nations (Isaiah 42:6) to whom the light will be sent refers to the Gentiles (Acts 26:17). Before their conversion they were prisoners in the dungeon (Isaiah 42:7) which means they were under the dominion of Satan (Acts 26:18). That God called Isaiah to bring them out (Isaiah 42:7) parallels the message Paul would preach of being forgiven/set free from one's sins by faith in Christ (Acts 26:18).  

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    • The true worship of Jesus by the Jehovah's Witnesses (2 Timothy 4:16-18)

      2 Timothy 4:16-18 (16) At my first defense no one supported me, but all deserted me; may it not be counted against them. (17) But the Lord stood with me and strengthened me, so that through me the proclamation might be fully accomplished, and that all the Gentiles might hear; and I was rescued out of the lion’s mouth. (18) The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen. (NASB)   In their book Stay Close to Jehovah's Organization the Jehovah's Witnesses assert the following (the bold face is mine):  Even if you do find yourself isolated from all your Christian brothers, keep in mind that you are not isolated from Jehovah and his Son, Jesus Christ. Your hope can remain firm. Jehovah can still hear your prayers, and he can strengthen you with his spirit. Look to him for guidance. Remember that you are a servant of Jehovah and a disciple of Jesus Christ. Therefore, make good use of opportunities to witness. Jehovah will bless your efforts, and others may soon join you in true worship.—Acts 4:13-31; 5:27-42; Phil. 1:27-30; 4:6, 7; 2 Tim. 4:16-18. (Organized to Do Jehovah's Will, see the 5th to the last paragraph). https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102014947    As with all the other passages cited 2 Timothy 4:16-18 is also used in reference to true worship.   Notice though that the Jehovah's Witnesses affirm that the "Lord" in both 2 Timothy 4:17 and 2 Timothy 4:18 refers to the Lord Jesus.      a. Our Kingdom Ministry—2014: Even in his heavenly position, Jesus shows personal interest. (2 Tim. 4:17) (Improving Our Skills in the Ministry—Showing Personal Interest) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/202014401      b. The Watchtower: The individuals hearing Jesus could, if they faithfully served God, have the expectation of reigning with Christ in heaven. (2 Tim. 4:18; Rev. 20:4, 6) (Questions From Readers, March 1, 1967). https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1967167    Thus the Jehovah's Witnesses (inadvertently?) affirm that true worship is properly rendered unto the Lord Jesus.  

      in Arianism

    • Why Did Jesus Sleep During the Storm?

      The story of the sea storm in the Gospel of Mark picks up right after Jesus has given a series of sermons. He’s preached to a crowd so large that he had to speak from a boat pushed a short distance into the water. Mark 4:35–41 tells the story of Jesus calming the storm—but, curiously, we find the Lord asleep as the chaos breaks out around him: And a great windstorm arose, and the waves were breaking into the boat, so that the boat was already filling. But he was in the stern, asleep on the cushion. And they woke him and said to him, “Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?” And he awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace! Be still!” And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. (Mark 4:37–39) Why was Jesus asleep in the boat? There are a few possible explanations. Mark, as well as most of the other biblical authors, is spare with his details—including only those elements necessary to the author’s agenda—so we could assume it’s a salient element to the story. There are three possibilities. 1. A Link to Jonah Perhaps Mark tells us Jesus is sleeping in order to link the account to Jonah. The story of Jonah shares similar elements and language (in its Greek translation) to the one in Mark 4, which suggests Mark is evoking the story. One is the idea of the main character sleeping in the bottom of the boat during the storm, though the language used to describe Jonah is more vivid and possibly pejorative. 2. A Clue about Jesus’s Humanity Jesus is fully human: He works hard, does much public speaking, and deals with many different people, all of whom want something from him. Given the strains ordinary ministers experience in their daily work, the fully human Jesus must have suffered from exhaustion during his earthly ministry. 3. A Clue about Jesus’s Divinity Though Jesus is a human, he also has full confidence in his divine identity. As only the second person of the Trinity can, Jesus sleeps like a baby amid the chaos, secure in the realization that he is one with the Creator, and his time has not come. His sleep signals divine insight: Jesus knows he’s not going to die tonight. Of course, all three of these explanations are possible at the same time, because human language in the hands of a skilled author can convey multiple complex ideas at once. Why These Three Options? Surely, the sleeping Jesus is supposed to make you think about Jonah’s story (the first option), where a suspicious storm develops and is quieted by God and all the witnesses are left terrified. Remember when the sailors cast lots, asking, “Who has brought this storm on us?” The lot falls on Jonah. They begrudgingly throw the prophet overboard, and the storm immediately dissipates. The emphasis is on who calms the storm. The Lord, Creator of heaven and earth, stills it, and the sailors know they have just witnessed God’s hand and his complete authority over the forces of creation. In Jonah 1:16, “the men feared the LORD exceedingly.” The Greek translation of this passage emphasizes the great fear the sailors experience when they see God’s power on display. It’s even greater than their fear of the storm (1:5). It’s fear-inducing to know that the cosmic God who calms the storm also cares about the rebellion of a single man. In Mark, Jesus also sleeps. The disciples wake him for fear of their lives (as in Jonah, the sleeper is roused with a rhetorical question), and the wind and waves are calmed. Mark seems to be drawing our attention to the agent who calms the storm. In Jonah, the agent is the Lord, but in Mark 4 it is Jesus. Jesus is to the storm in Mark 4 what God is to the wind and waves in Jonah 1. And as if to drive the point home, the disciples who bear witness to all of this are described in virtually the same phraseology used in the Greek translation of Jonah. They are “exceedingly afraid” (Mark 4:41).  The storm was terrifying, but this prophet in the boat with the power to speak truth to the weather presents an entirely new source of fear. The authority of God inspires such fear in those who see it firsthand. But the second option works as well. Jesus’s sleep in the boat is a reminder of his humanity. It’s a fascinating idea that there were regular moments when the God-man, the Lord of the universe, may have laid down and pondered some random thoughts before sleep overtook him. As a human, he could grow tired, even to a point of exhaustion. So he gets in the boat and lies back like a business traveler on a red-eye flight, trying to fit in sleep wherever he can. Mark’s audience could readily identify with Jesus’s humanity. The third option is also compelling. Just the fact that Jesus sleeps is a clue to his divinity. How? Jesus didn’t fear the wind and waves or anything they could do to him. The Creator need not be restless in the face of a dangerous creation. When Jonah secretly sleeps below the decks, he does so in a spirit of fatalism and dread. When Jesus sleeps in the hull of the boat, he does so in confidence. He doesn’t lose sleep on account of weather patterns. Jesus is more than a teacher; he’s a miracle-worker. Once the reader absorbs that point, Mark ups the ante. Jesus is more than a teacher and more than a miracle-worker. He has the authority of the Creator himself. View the full article

      in Christian Current Events

    • When did Jesus begin his ministry?

      Jesus was born during the reign of Caesar Augustus, and maybe two or three years before the death of Herod.  This puts his birth year in 7 BC or 6 BC.  He began his ministry when he was about thirty (Luke 3: 23), which would be about the year 23 AD or 24 AD.   But the ministry of Jesus was preceded by that of John, which began in the fifteenth year or the reign of Tiberius (Luke 3: 1&2) – either 28 AD or 29 AD.   So I am wondering: In which year did Jesus begin his ministry?  Also, in which year was he crucified?

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