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Often times people will point to John 3:3 as a proff verse, saying that baptism is necessary for salvation.

But a quick study of the verse in context shows that it has nothing to do with water baptism.

 

First clue us that birth is the subject, birth involves water or embryonic fluid.

The first and second birth are placed a certain say in the wording.

 

(Verse 5)Unless one is born of water - (verse 6)that which is born of flesh.

(Verse 5) and the Spirit - (verse 6) and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

 

Last point, if being born of water means baptism then no one knows when they will be baptised, it just sneaks up on you because in verse 8 we see that being born of the Spirit comes like the wind.

 

1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”4Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.c7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘Youd must be born again.’ 8The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

 

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Verse 3, ..... unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. 

 

Here the key point is 'born again', it is not like our first born from mother womb. It is born by water and the Spirit.

 

Verse 5, .... unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 

 

Our first born is born of the flesh, from mother womb. But we need be born again, which is born of water and the Holy Spirit. And we must be born again.

 

Be born by water is baptized by water; be born by the Holy Spirit, is baptized by the Holy Spirit.

 

Be baptized by the Holy Spirit just like wind blows. We cannot see wind, however while wind blows, we can hear the sound and see leaf shaking. Be born by the Spirit is the same. We cannot see the Holy Spirit, however while people is baptized by the Holy Spirit, we can hear the new tongue and sometimes see people body is shaking.

 

See attachment of our baptized by water. Of course, we know the time when we got it. Thanks God. Glory to God.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Echo Song said:

Verse 3, ..... unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. 

 

Here the key point is 'born again', it is not like our first born from mother womb. It is born by water and the Spirit.

 

Verse 5, .... unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 

 

Our first born is born of the flesh, from mother womb. But we need be born again, which is born of water and the Holy Spirit. And we must be born again.

 

Be born by water is baptized by water; be born by the Holy Spirit, is baptized by the Holy Spirit.

 

Be baptized by the Holy Spirit just like wind blows. We cannot see wind, however while wind blows, we can hear the sound and see leaf shaking. Be born by the Spirit is the same. We cannot see the Holy Spirit, however while people is baptized by the Holy Spirit, we can hear the new tongue and sometimes see people body is shaking.

 

See attachment of our baptized by water. Of course, we know the time when we got it. Thanks God. Glory to God.

 

 

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I'm not seeing any reason in the passage to interpret the water as baptism in water.

 

If being born of water is baptism and being reborn is baptism of the Holy Spirit then wouldn't there be three births in total? The physical birth, water baptism, and Spirit baptism.

5 hours ago, Faber said:

That's an interesting take on it.

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On 12/21/2018 at 3:46 AM, Innerfire89 said:

I'm not seeing any reason in the passage to interpret the water as baptism in water.

 

If being born of water is baptism and being reborn is baptism of the Holy Spirit then wouldn't there be three births in total? The physical birth, water baptism, and Spirit baptism.

That's an interesting take on it.

Human being all have physical birth. However if we believe Jesus as our savior, Lord told us we need be born again, which includes being born by water and the Holy Spirit. All the apostles, Peter and Paul ask disciples for baptism with water and pray for the Holy Spirit.

Act 19

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7And all the men were about twelve.

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4 hours ago, Echo Song said:

Human being all have physical birth. However if we believe Jesus as our savior, Lord told us we need be born again, which includes being born by water and the Holy Spirit. All the apostles, Peter and Paul ask disciples for baptism with water and pray for the Holy Spirit.

Act 19

1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

7And all the men were about twelve.

The thief on the cross was not baptized with water. Does that mean he was not saved?

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Some how the fact the Jesus the Christ is the Living Water comes into this whole baptisms thing. 

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52 minutes ago, davidtaylorjr said:

The thief on the cross was not baptized with water. Does that mean he was not saved?

For many they misunderstand what water Baptism really is. I am a Baptist and immersion is how I believe is best, but as a pastor I have sprinkled in a hospital setting wher a woman was on her way Home to the Father. I respect those who sprinkle and I believe they respect immersion as well. 

 

The believer on the cross next to Jesus was not baptized. Be cautious not to believe a person has an excuse to avoid baptism, that imo is a sin.

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Eze 36:24  For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 
Eze 36:25  Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 
Num 8:7  And thus shalt thou do unto them, to cleanse them: Sprinkle water of purifying upon them, and let them shave all their flesh, and let them wash their clothes, and so make themselves clean. 
 

To me baptism should be immersion . That is not always possible as @Just Mike noted. There is some scripture backing to sprinkling. 

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1 hour ago, davidtaylorjr said:

The thief on the cross was not baptized with water. Does that mean he was not saved?

Let's ask Pentecostal Jesus :classic_ninja:

 

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1 hour ago, Becky said:

There is some scripture backing to sprinkling. 

I don't see any Scriptural backing for sprinkling as a regular practice. But that is for a different thread.

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1 hour ago, Becky said:

Eze 36:24  For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 
Eze 36:25  Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 
Num 8:7  And thus shalt thou do unto them, to cleanse them: Sprinkle water of purifying upon them, and let them shave all their flesh, and let them wash their clothes, and so make themselves clean. 
 

To me baptism should be immersion . That is not always possible as @Just Mike noted. There is some scripture backing to sprinkling. 

 

19 minutes ago, davidtaylorjr said:

I don't see any Scriptural backing for sprinkling as a regular practice. But that is for a different thread.

In reading the whole post i thought is was clear , it was in support of @Just Mike  upon the occasion immersion is just not possible.  No where did i mention sprinkling as a regular practice . 

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In reading the whole post i thought is was clear , it was in support of @Just Mike  upon the occasion immersion is just not possible.  No where did i mention sprinkling as a regular practice . 

I guess I misunderstood.

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The Didache (100-150 A.D.) chapter vii: "Baptize into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living (running) water. But if they have not living water, baptize into other water; and if thou canst not in cold, in warm" (baptisate eis to onoma tou patos kai tou huiou kai tou hagiou pneumatos en hudati zonti). "But if thou have not either, pour out water thrice (tris) upon the head into the name of the Father and Son and Holy Spirit."

 

I think major contention exists when one mode is "rejected" for another. Clearly such practice places tradition over Scripture. There's more than one mode described of baptism, but regardless, water baptism is symbolic, and though immersion may be a better or complete imagery symbolically it is nothing more than symbolism. And having said this, I refer to the mode and not the conveyance of grace in the sacrament as to make baptism nothing more than water.

 

I really respect our church's practice which is by sprinkling. When I asked our Pastor whether he would immerse he said sure, though inconvenient, and if the person believes that only such mode is acceptable he'd be compelled to address their understanding. Again, what we are speaking about here is preference, and a preference can be a tradition, not saying some traditions are good or bad but they can be quite bad when they take precedence over Scripture.

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Once I totally rejected sprinkling,  until I was forced to face the fact not all people want to be immersed and therefore refuse to be baptized. Struggling with our understanding of the Scriptures is the way to Christian maturity, sometimes its quite painful, especially when its a doctrine held by the denomination in which we have been in for many years. I am not saying sprinkling should be the primary way of baptism, but I am willing to be far more understanding and approval of sprinkling. Being a true Follower of Christ is far more important than being baptized either way.

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Mar 1:9  And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 
Mar 1:10  And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 
Mar 1:11  And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 
Mat 3:16  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 
Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 

 

What from Scripture do we know about the physical part of baptism? 

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9 minutes ago, Becky said:

Mar 1:9  And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 
Mar 1:10  And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 
Mar 1:11  And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 
Mat 3:16  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 
Mat 3:17  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 

 

What from Scripture do we know about the physical part of baptism? 

You left out some important Scripture. When looking at the Old Testament context, when we consider that Jesus entered into the priesthood after the order Melchizedek, and when we see that the requirements of entering into priesthood work involved the sprinkling of water, it makes sense to say that Jesus may very well have been sprinkled at his baptism.

 

Matthew 3:13-17, "Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 14 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, 'I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?' 15 But Jesus answering said to him, 'Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.' Then he permitted Him. 16 And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.'”

  • Galatians 4:4; Matthew 5:17 Jesus was born under the Law for Priesthood.
  • Numbers 8:7, "And thus you shall do to them, for their cleansing: sprinkle purifying water on them, and let them use a razor over their whole body, and wash their clothes, and they shall be clean."

 

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Hyssop

 

If Jesus was sprinkled, as seems to be the case according to scripture, then it might have been done with a hyssop branch. 

 

Hyssop.  An indigenous plant to western Asia and northern Africa, 1 Kin. 4:33. The Israelites used, in sprinkling the blood of the paschal lamb upon the lintels of their doors, Ex. 12:22; in sprinkling blood in purifications, Lev. 14:4, 6, 51, 52; Heb. 9:19. Used in the sacrifices of separation, Num. 19:6. Used in giving Jesus vinegar on the cross, John 19:29.

 

HYSSOP. The hyssop, or marjoram, plant grows to a height of 1 m. (3.3 ft.) and features stalks of many branches with small, fragrant, green leaves. The numerous hairy branches favor its use as a brush or aspergillum for ritual purposes (Exod. 12:22; Num. 19:6, 18; Ps. 51:7; cf. Heb. 9:19) or for the cleansing of lepers (Lev. 14:4, 6, 49–52). Moreover, like other labiates such as mint and thyme, marjoram contains a volatile oil making it attractive as a purifying agent. The use of hyssop as an aspergillum may explain the “sponge” full of vinegar that the Roman guards raised to Jesus’ lips as he hung upon the cross (John 19:29; cf. also the use of hyssop in flavoring wine), or perhaps John alludes to the sacrificial nature of Jesus’ death; although the stalks of the plant become woody as new shoots form each growing season, this would not have been sufficient to support a sponge (cf. par. Matt. 27:48; Mark 15:36; Gk. kálamos “reed”).

 

So Hyssop was a plant that was used ritualistically.  In the four versus below, you will see that the first and fourth have hyssop being used with sprinkling.  Perhaps this is what was used in Jesus' baptism.

 

 

  • Num. 19:18, "And a clean person shall take hyssop and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it on the tent and on all the furnishings and on the persons who were there, and on the one who touched the bone or the one slain or the one dying naturally or the grave."
  • Psalm 51:7, "Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean.  Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow."
  • John 19:29, "A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop, and brought it up to His mouth."
  • Heb. 9:19, "For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people."
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3 minutes ago, William said:

You left out some important Scripture.

 

Matthew 3:13-17, "Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 14 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, 'I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?' 15 But Jesus answering said to him, 'Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.' Then he permitted Him. 16 And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him, 17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens, saying, 'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.'”

  • Galatians 4:4; Matthew 5:17 Jesus was born under the Law for Priesthood.
  • Numbers 8:7, "And thus you shall do to them, for their cleansing: sprinkle purifying water on them, and let them use a razor over their whole body, and wash their clothes, and they shall be clean."

 

"Hyssop

 

If Jesus was sprinkled, as seems to be the case according to scripture, then it might have been done with a hyssop branch. 

 

Hyssop.  An indigenous plant to western Asia and northern Africa, 1 Kin. 4:33. The Israelites used, in sprinkling the blood of the paschal lamb upon the lintels of their doors, Ex. 12:22; in sprinkling blood in purifications, Lev. 14:4, 6, 51, 52; Heb. 9:19. Used in the sacrifices of separation, Num. 19:6. Used in giving Jesus vinegar on the cross, John 19:29.

 

HYSSOP. The hyssop, or marjoram, plant grows to a height of 1 m. (3.3 ft.) and features stalks of many branches with small, fragrant, green leaves. The numerous hairy branches favor its use as a brush or aspergillum for ritual purposes (Exod. 12:22; Num. 19:6, 18; Ps. 51:7; cf. Heb. 9:19) or for the cleansing of lepers (Lev. 14:4, 6, 49–52). Moreover, like other labiates such as mint and thyme, marjoram contains a volatile oil making it attractive as a purifying agent. The use of hyssop as an aspergillum may explain the “sponge” full of vinegar that the Roman guards raised to Jesus’ lips as he hung upon the cross (John 19:29; cf. also the use of hyssop in flavoring wine), or perhaps John alludes to the sacrificial nature of Jesus’ death; although the stalks of the plant become woody as new shoots form each growing season, this would not have been sufficient to support a sponge (cf. par. Matt. 27:48; Mark 15:36; Gk. kálamos “reed”).

So Hyssop was a plant that was used ritualistically.  In the four versus below, you will see that the first and fourth have hyssop being used with sprinkling.  Perhaps this is what was used in Jesus' baptism."

 

  • Num. 19:18, "And a clean person shall take hyssop and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it on the tent and on all the furnishings and on the persons who were there, and on the one who touched the bone or the one slain or the one dying naturally or the grave."
  • Psalm 51:7, "Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean.  Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow."
  • John 19:29, "A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop, and brought it up to His mouth."
  • Heb. 9:19, "For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people."

Exactly the type of response i was hoping for .  To me baptism MUST be like this way is like KJO 

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12 minutes ago, Becky said:

Exactly the type of response i was hoping for .  To me baptism MUST be like this way is like KJO 

Be careful, because when we start making inferences from the OT that are not necessary inferences we end up with things like Infant Baptism.

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10 minutes ago, Becky said:

Exactly the type of response i was hoping for .  To me baptism MUST be like this way is like KJO 

Consider Hebews 9 with emphasis on Hebrews 9:10 "but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation."

 

As you're implying, such emphasis on the outward or material does little to clear the conscience.

 

One of the reasons I tread carefully in this kinda discussion is because I don't want to cheapen the sacrament of baptism. I really do believe it is a sin to neglect this ordinance and that sometimes such great emphasis can be placed on the outward display that it is thought such action is guaranteed regeneration.

 

The Westminster Confession of Faith has an entire chapter on the topic of Baptism:

 

Chapter 28 - Of Baptism.

Section 1.) Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ,(1) not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church;(2) but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace,(3) of his ingrafting into Christ,(4) of regeneration,(5) of remission of sins,(6) and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in newness of life.(7) Which sacrament is, by Christ's own appointment, to be continued in His Church until the end of the world.(8)

(1) Mt 28:19 (2) 1Co 12:13 (3) Ro 4:11 with Col 2:11,12 (4) Gal 3:27; Ro 6:5 (5) Tit 3:5 (6) Mk 1:4 (7) Ro 6:3,4 (8) Mt 28:19,20

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Section 2.) The outward element to be used in this sacrament is water, wherewith the party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, by a minister of the Gospel, lawfully called thereunto.(1)

(1) Mt 3:11; Jn 1:33; Mt 28:19,20

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Section 3.) Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but Baptism is rightly administered by pouring, or sprinkling water upon the person.(1)

(1) Heb 9:10,19,20,21,22; Ac 2:41; Ac 16:33; Mk 7:4

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Section 4.) Not only those that do actually profess faith in the obedience unto Christ,(1) but also the infants of one, or both, believing parents, are to be baptized.(2)

(1) Mk 16:15,16; Ac 8:37,38 (2) Ge 17:7,9 with Gal 3:9,14 and Col 2:11,12; and Ac 2:38,39; and Ro 4:11,12; 1Co 7:14; Mt 28:19; Mk 10:13-16; Lk 18:15

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Section 5.) Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance,(1) yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated or saved, without it;(2) or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated.(3)

(1) Lk 7:30 with Ex 4:24-26 (2) Ro 4:11; Ac 10:2,4,22,31,45,47 (3) Ac 8:13,23

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Section 6.) The efficacy of Baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered;(1) yet, not withstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongeth unto, according to the counsel of God's own will, in His appointed time.(2)

(1) Jn 3:5,8 (2) Gal 3:27; Tit 3:5; Eph 5:25,26; Ac 2:38,41

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Section 7.) The sacrament of Baptism is but once to be administered unto any person.(1)

(1) Tit 3:5

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Section 4.) Not only those that do actually profess faith in the obedience unto Christ,(1) but also the infants of one, or both, believing parents, are to be baptized.(2)

(1) Mk 16:15,16; Ac 8:37,38 (2) Ge 17:7,9 with Gal 3:9,14 and Col 2:11,12; and Ac 2:38,39; and Ro 4:11,12; 1Co 7:14; Mt 28:19; Mk 10:13-16; Lk 18:15

We are going to need a new topic on this....

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1 minute ago, davidtaylorjr said:

We are going to need a new topic on this....

There's an entire category which this has been discussed. Please refer to the category Apologetics and Theology >>> Baptism >>> Covenant and Household Baptism.

 

https://www.christforums.com/forum/87-covenanthousehold-baptism/

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A simple sounding thing but i caught my attention   " living (running "  post #19I have never associated  living water with running water.  Maybe that is why i dont care for baptismals . Running water is not a stagnant pool it is refreshed .  Thanks @William  very informative.  By speaking of the running water dont get the idea i did not catch the rest 

 

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      1 The baptist should baptize the believer in the name of Jesus but not in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The name of Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is Jesus. Jesus is the only God dwelling in the world and appearing to human in flesh. Jesus has flesh body and die in cross for our sin. The sinless lamb became a sacrifice on Passover for saving human’s life. He burdens our sin and takes over the punishment of death. Then we may gain the salvation by the faith in Jesus. Peter said in Acts 2:38 “ Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In Acts 10:48 “ So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.”   2 The water baptism can only be conducted in living water like river, sea or lake. Water baptism conducted in pool is sin. “ My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own pools, broken pools that cannot hold water.” Jeremiah 2:13.  Jesus set an example for us who was baptized by John Baptist in Jordan river. John Baptist also baptized others in River called Aenon. Baptism in living water also indicates Jesus is living water of our life. “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin the impurity.” Zechariah 13:1.   3 The water baptism in bile is full immersion. The Greek word from which we get the word baptism is “baptizo”, which literally means “to immerse”.  All water baptisms in scripture were by full immersion.  Jesus was water baptized by being fully immersed in the water and rising out of it. (Matthew 3:16, Mark 1:10, Acts 8:38-39). Full immersion means we die together with Jesus.  “ Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death” Roman 6:3. Submersion in the water symbolizes the death and burial while raising out of the water is a picture how Jesus raised us and gave us a fresh start in life. Sprinkling or any other ways of baptism were not matching the scriptures of bible.   4 When receiving water baptism, the believer should bow his head. Water baptism means die with Jesus. In Roman 6:4-5” We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death.  For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.” What is the shape of Jesus when he die in cross? John 19:30 “When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “ It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.” It is also a sinner’s altitude to bow the head.   5 The baptist must be baptized with the Holy Spirit before baptizing others. John 20:22-23 “ And with that he breather on them and said, receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” It is Holy Spirit forgiving sin. People without being baptized with the Holy Spirit cannot forgive sins. Only the ones who have been baptized with the Holy Spirit can baptize others with the function of washing up sin. Water baptism has water, Jesus blood and Holy Spirit. 1 John 5:6-8 “ This is the one who came by water and blood- Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.”

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    • US Navy To End Bread And Water Policy For Misbehaving Sailors, Ending Longstanding Tradition

      By Evie Fordham - A longstanding tradition allowed by the U.S. Navy will come to an end Jan. 1, 2019, when captains are no longer able to punish misbehaving sailors by confining them to bread and water only. “Rations furnished a person undergoing such confinement shall consist solely of bread and water. The rations will be served three times daily at the normal time of meals, and the amount of bread and water shall not be restricted,” the military’s Uniform Code of Military Justice reads, according to Task & Purpose. “Prisoners serving this punishment will be confined in a cell and will be bound by the procedures set forth for disciplinary segregation cells. They will not be removed for work or physical exercise.” Navy captains have the power and avenues to mete out punishment to their sailors because they would often be away from land for months, needing to keep order without the options available to the more land-tied military branches. But a handful of secretaries of the navy have tried to get the punishment abolished as far back as 1882, according to The Times. “It sounds medieval, and that is sort of the point,” retired Capt. Kevin Eyer told The New York Times. “Sometimes you just need to scare a kid. We want them to succeed, but you need to give them a kick in the pants.” Eyer joined the Navy in 1982 and regularly sentenced sailors to the punishment, which is often jokingly called “cake and wine,” for minor misconduct. The end of the bread-and-water policy had been in the works since the Obama administration. The change comes as part of the Military Justice Act of 2016 and an amendment by the Trump administration in March 2018, reported Task & Purpose. An independent Department of Defense review group recommended the change, reported The Times.”Once drafted, the Navy did not oppose the legislation,” a Navy spokeswoman told The Times when asked if the Navy supported the shift. Captains can still punish low-ranking sailors in many ways, including by imposing up to 45 days of extra duty, restricting them to the ship for up to 60 days or putting them on half-pay for two months. Some captains choose punishment methods other than “cake and wine” out of principle, but others are known for their liberal use of the policy. For example, the USS Shiloh was nicknamed the USS Bread and Water and had terrible morale. Its commanding officer, Capt. Adam Aycock, use the punishment at least six times in roughly two years, according to Task & Purpose. Content created by The Daily Caller News Foundation is available without charge to any eligible news publisher that can provide a large audience. For licensing opportunities of our original content, please contact [email protected] US Navy To End Bread And Water Policy For Misbehaving Sailors, Ending Longstanding Tradition is original content from Conservative Daily News - Where Americans go for news, current events and commentary they can trust - Conservative News Website for U.S. News, Political Cartoons and more. View the original full article

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    • Is it possible to baptize myself in water.

      I am an over the road truck driver and can only get in off the road for 3-4 days per month. I don't have a regular church to go to, but I do have a cusin that says he is a preacher. I don't think he has taken any classes to be an actual preacher and he goes to a church with a female pasture.   I went to that place one time and had to leave before the sermon was out, because the women incharge of the music got up and chastized the congregation for not singing load enough and the female preacher had to try and shame some of her members into volenteering for some side service.   All in all, I don't think God even recognizes that place because I didn't see any spirit withing the community.   I have asked him to baptize me and he seems to be very hesitant. He's one of those people who is very tightly wrapped and I think he doesn't think I'm ready because I don't act as restrained as he is.   I don't want to get baptized in that church, because I don't feel that if I do, then God wouldn't acknowledge that Baptim, because of the church and the paster that will do it.   Frankly, I'm getting rather tired of waiting and I'd like to know if theres anything, biblically wrong with this or do you think that baptizing myself will not work.

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    • Trump Suggests California Deploy Water-Type Pokemon

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