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I have been leaning towards this eschatological system for a while, but I am still 'fuzzy' on the millennium. Is the millennium literal, or is it symbolic? Is it ongoing now, or will it be in the future? Is the anti-Christ symbolic of the papacy of will it be a literal man?

 

I lean towards a future and literal millennium but I want the Chiliasts/Historic Premillennialists to walk me through this system.

 

I ask politely that no one other than these ppl who hold to this system answer in this thread. I don't want a bunch of differing views muddying the H2O more than it is already. Thanks very much for heeding this.

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49 minutes ago, SovereignGrace said:

I have been leaning towards this eschatological system for a while, but I am still 'fuzzy' on the millennium. Is the millennium literal, or is it symbolic? Is it ongoing now, or will it be in the future? Is the anti-Christ symbolic of the papacy of will it be a literal man?

 

I lean towards a future and literal millennium but I want the Chiliasts/Historic Premillennialists to walk me through this system.

 

I ask politely that no one other than these ppl who hold to this system answer in this thread. I don't want a bunch of differing views muddying the H2O more than it is already. Thanks very much for heeding this.

Actually I was hoping you would explain it more or offer recommended resources. Never heard of it.

 

God bless,

William

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1 hour ago, SovereignGrace said:

I have been leaning towards this eschatological system for a while, but I am still 'fuzzy' on the millennium. Is the millennium literal, or is it symbolic? Is it ongoing now, or will it be in the future? Is the anti-Christ symbolic of the papacy of will it be a literal man?

 

I lean towards a future and literal millennium but I want the Chiliasts/Historic Premillennialists to walk me through this system.

 

I ask politely that no one other than these ppl who hold to this system answer in this thread. I don't want a bunch of differing views muddying the H2O more than it is already. Thanks very much for heeding this.

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chil•i•asm

(ˈkɪl iˌæz əm)

n.

the doctrine of Christ's expected return to reign on earth for 1000 years; millennialism.

[1600–10; < Greek chīliasmós=chili(oi) 1000 + -asmos, variant of -ismos -ism before stems ending in -i-]

chil′i•ast` (-ˌæst) n.

chil`i•as′tic, adj.

Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights reserved.

 

Good old Greek word. Puts chilling out into a whole other perspective. Historic premillennialism is now known as post-trib pre-mill. The much discussed harpatzo (aka rapture) in this explanation, happens after a time of intense pressure, and ushers in the millenium which culminates in the release of Satan from the abyss and subsequent last judgment. 

 

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On 9/18/2018 at 3:22 AM, William said:

Actually I was hoping you would explain it more or offer recommended resources. Never heard of it.

 

God bless,

William

Chiliasm is much like amillenialism with the exception it holds to a literal 1,000 year reign of the Christ on earth. Both hold to all believers being one corporate body, whereas dispensationialism sees Israel and the church being two separate entities. I see both being one in Christ, with He being the head, and they being His body.

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On 9/20/2018 at 12:07 AM, SovereignGrace said:

Chiliasm is much like amillenialism with the exception it holds to a literal 1,000 year reign of the Christ on earth. Both hold to all believers being one corporate body, whereas dispensationialism sees Israel and the church being two separate entities. I see both being one in Christ, with He being the head, and they being His body.

I believe in a post-trib return of our Lord Jesus, and that will begin His "thousand years" reign written in Rev.20.

 

Since there's plenty of Bible Scripture that reveals that reign is yet future because it directly involves His de facto presence and direct rule over all peoples and nations on earth, I don't see how any other view could be supported.

 

If you ask me how that "thousand years" will manifest, I include the OT prophets and not just the NT Scripture. The picture I see from God's Word is that only the faithful elect of Christ's Church will be allowed near Him after He returns. Those of His that erred, including deceived Israel, will serve lower duties in His temple on earth (Ezekiel 40-47), and will stand in judgment throughout the "thousand years", in service to the peoples. It will be the job of Christ's elect to teach them the difference between the clean and unclean, the holy and the profane. Even the servants of the 'synagogue of Satan' will come to worship Christ before the feet of His elect saints. Since Satan will be locked in his pit prison in that future time, there will be no deception getting in the way of all in that time learning God's Ways and Truth.

 

Just as we're shown at the end of Zechariah 14 how some nations will still refuse to come up to Jerusalem to worship The King, The Lord of hosts, that shows some peoples will still knowingly reject our Lord Jesus Christ. That reveals the possibility shown in Rev.20 for after the thousand years, with Satan loosed to tempt the nations one final time, with some heeding him, and going up to the "camp of the saints" to destroy.

 

 

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How would you square your ideas with this  passage ? And since you invoked  Eze  Im curious as to why you think bloody animal sin offerings will be  acceptable?
 

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Psalm 110 

110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

 

 

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On 10/10/2018 at 8:15 AM, Hitch said:

How would you square your ideas with this  passage ? And since you invoked  Eze  Im curious as to why you think bloody animal sin offerings will be  acceptable?
 

 

The Ps.110 Scripture was repeated by Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15 about the future event of Christ's thousand years reign over the nations. It's mentioned again in Revelation in regards to His future reign with the rod of iron of Ps.2 over all nations. What I said agrees with that.

 

Regarding Ezekiel 40-48, I do not interpret that mention of animal sacrifices in the physical, but in the spiritual sense. If we were still in the time of Ezekiel's day, we would have to interpret them as literal. But now since our Lord Jesus has come and offered Himself on the cross as the Perfect Sacrifice for sin for all time, and we have the NT witness of that, there is no longer need for animal sacrifices for sin. Those in Ezekiel's day didn't understand about the cross, even though God gave them hints in the OT (Ps.22; Isa.53; Gen.3). Descriptions involving a temple with no animal sacrifices would not have made sense to them.

 

I also get asked a similar question about Ezekiel 44 and those there called the Zadok (the Just), because I point to those as the faithful elect of Christ's Church. Others claim that only applies to the Jews in that time, since the OT link with that name Zadok. But that Ezek.44 chapter reveals that only the Zadok will be allowed to approach Christ's table in that future time of Ezekiel's temple. Those of the sons of Levi that erred will not be allowed near Christ in that time, but will be assigned menial duties in the temple. I also understand how Dispensationalism likes to portray those events, since they believe Christ's Church is in Heaven with Jesus during that time with Israel on earth in a re-established kingdom and a temple. But that's not what it's about; it's about Jesus reigning right there in the midst of them, with His elect Church as the Just (Zadok), as our Lord Jesus is also King of the Zadok (Righteous).

 

And further proof that those events about Ezekiel's temple is for Christ's Church in His future Kingdom, on earth, is given by our Lord Jesus Himself in the oft misinterpreted Scripture of John 14 about the "mansions". In those last chapters of Ezekiel about the temple, it is called a "house", God's house. That is The Father's house which our Lord Jesus told His disciples in John 14 that He goes to prepare a place for them, the definition of the Greek for "mansions" actually meaning 'abodes'. (The Ezekiel description of the temple complex layout includes abodes of the priests). That house (temple of Ezekiel) is coming to earth from God. In Zechariah we are told The BRANCH (Jesus) is who will build the temple, pointing to the Millennial temple in the future Rev.20 thousand years after Jesus' return.

 

Per the OT prophets, God promised that He would in final gather the ten tribes of the "house of Israel" and the other part of Israel called the "house of Judah" (Jews), and make them one nation again in the lands He promised their fathers, with one Shepherd over them, and David as their prince, and this would be for ever (see Ezekiel 37 about the two sticks). God said they would no longer be "two nations", and wow, it's amazing how few understand that "two nations" idea...

 

Ezek 37:22
22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
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God even referred there with that "two nations" idea for Israel how He split old Israel into two separate kingdoms in Solomon's day (1 Kings 11 forward). But by this time with Ezekiel, God had already removed the ten tribes out of the land, captive to Assyria and the land of the Medes, never to return as a people to this day; they are still scattered among the Gentiles with only a small remnant of the ten tribes that joined Judah in Solomon's days. So that joining of the two sticks in Ezekiel 37 will only occur on the day of Jesus' second coming and gathering of His saints, and it is pointing to His Church also.

 

In the Book of Hosea, God showed how He scattered the ten tribes of Israel, gave them the full weight of their Baal worship they had fallen to against Him, hedged up their paths when He scattered them so they wouldn't find their way back, made them lose knowledge of His feasts and holy days, and He called them Lo-ami, which means 'not My people'. But in final per Hosea, God said He will call them the sons of The Living God, and Apostle Paul quoted that from Hosea to Gentile believers on Christ in Romans 9. It shows a direct connection with the ten tribes of Israel and Christ's Church (Book of Hosea was written specifically to the ten tribe house of Israel under Ephraim).

 

So while many today in the pulpit abide by the Socialist Leftist aims for what is to be taught in Christ's Church, many of them have a long way to go in study of these things relating to Christ's Church and His future restoration of the kingdom of Israel. Even well-studied pastors that know about this aren't able to teach it in their Churches because of the socialist political correctness wand hanging over them.

 

 

 

 

 

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The Ps.110 Scripture was repeated by Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15 about the future event of Christ's thousand years reign over the nations. It's mentioned again in Revelation in regards to His future reign with the rod of iron of Ps.2 over all nations. What I said agrees with that.

Actually Paul said the last enemy is death so it does not and cannot square with your prediction.

 

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Regarding Ezekiel 40-48, I do not interpret that mention of animal sacrifices in the physical, but in the spiritual sense. If we were still in the time of Ezekiel's day, we would have to interpret them as literal. But now since our Lord Jesus has come and offered Himself on the cross as the Perfect Sacrifice for sin for all time, and we have the NT witness of that, there is no longer need for animal sacrifices for sin. Those in Ezekiel's day didn't understand about the cross, even though God gave them hints in the OT (Ps.22; Isa.53; Gen.3). Descriptions involving a temple with no animal sacrifices would not have made sense to them.

Curious, what makes you think you can  'spiritualize'  the stated reason for the temple's construction   but hold the position for a brick&mortar building ?

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And further proof that those events about Ezekiel's temple is for Christ's Church in His future Kingdom, on earth, is given by our Lord Jesus Himself in the oft misinterpreted Scripture of John 14 about the "mansions". In those last chapters of Ezekiel about the temple, it is called a "house", God's house. That is The Father's house which our Lord Jesus told His disciples in John 14 that He goes to prepare a place for them, the definition of the Greek for "mansions" actually meaning 'abodes'. (The Ezekiel description of the temple complex layout includes abodes of the priests). That house (temple of Ezekiel) is coming to earth from God. In Zechariah we are told The BRANCH (Jesus) is who will build the temple, pointing to the Millennial temple in the future Rev.20 thousand years after Jesus' return.

This one is way out there.  And it rests almost entirely on disregarding  Paul's  application  of these terms to the church,  household of  God, temple, lively stones  ect.  

On 9/17/2018 at 11:32 PM, SovereignGrace said:

I have been leaning towards this eschatological system for a while, but I am still 'fuzzy' on the millennium. Is the millennium literal, or is it symbolic? Is it ongoing now, or will it be in the future? Is the anti-Christ symbolic of the papacy of will it be a literal man?

 

I lean towards a future and literal millennium but I want the Chiliasts/Historic Premillennialists to walk me through this system.

 

I ask politely that no one other than these ppl who hold to this system answer in this thread. I don't want a bunch of differing views muddying the H2O more than it is already. Thanks very much for heeding this.

 Sorry  I didnt see this until today...

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On 9/20/2018 at 12:07 AM, SovereignGrace said:

Chiliasm is much like amillenialism with the exception it holds to a literal 1,000 year reign of the Christ on earth. Both hold to all believers being one corporate body, whereas dispensationialism sees Israel and the church being two separate entities. I see both being one in Christ, with He being the head, and they being His body.

 

On 10/10/2018 at 5:23 AM, davy said:

I believe in a post-trib return of our Lord Jesus, and that will begin His "thousand years" reign written in Rev.20.

I am very much like davy in my beliefs. I am historic premillennialism all the way. But I won't quite buy into chiliasm because I see a physical Israel under a second part of the Abrahamic Covenant. Mind you, Christ is the only way to salvation; so we are not talking about salvation when Israel will be restored physically. That will be possible and even probable once everything is out in the open. That still take place one by one in each believer's life. Here is a little picture I have of Christ's return:

 

Mark 13:37: “And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.” 

 

1 Thess. 5:2-6: “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.” 

 

When Christ comes back the very next time, He will encircle the earth while the asleep in Christ will rise and join Him. 1 Thess. 4:17: “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." You see, we meet in the air, then we are ever with the Lord; not ever in the air.

 

Some claim Jesus is coming for a secret rapture, and He will be coming into only the air. If Jesus comes into the atmosphere, that is still "a coming." There is no secret rapture there are saints dying all during the tribulation.

 

Now a couple references as to where are reign with Christ will be:

 

Rev. 5:10: “And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” 

 

Rev. 20:6: “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” 

 

It doesn't say we will stay in the air or heaven. When Christ comes back the next time, He will stay. He will circle the globe for the rapture then set His feet on the Mount of Olives. Fulfilling this prophecy:

 

Acts 1:10, 11 "And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

 

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On ‎9‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 1:32 AM, SovereignGrace said:

I have been leaning towards this eschatological system for a while, but I am still 'fuzzy' on the millennium. Is the millennium literal, or is it symbolic? Is it ongoing now, or will it be in the future? Is the anti-Christ symbolic of the papacy of will it be a literal man?

 

I lean towards a future and literal millennium but I want the Chiliasts/Historic Premillennialists to walk me through this system.

 

I ask politely that no one other than these ppl who hold to this system answer in this thread. I don't want a bunch of differing views muddying the H2O more than it is already. Thanks very much for heeding this.

This is all hog wash ! To be a practical Christian all one needs to do is read a good study bible and by pass all that Ism non sense ! The bible never uses these man made terms in any of the sixty six books of the bible. So begin, and end your walk by choosing a good study bible and take a lot of notes to educate yourself . Forget all of that isn,,,ill, Pre,,, non sense !

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The Scriptures give a description of The Kingdom of God. It is clear and direct. 

 

Rom 14:17  For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. 


A large part of the Jewish peoples were looking for a saviour not to save their souls but to save them from the Romans. That old god of self.  The wanted a king to rule from a man made throne. Some one to lead the  fight for  their physical land and selves. To my thinking God knew the times and what they were looking for. ( I do not believe the Body of Christ is plan B) 

God had had given them all He promised.

 Jos 21:43  And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 
Jos 21:44  And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. 
Jos 21:45  There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass. 

 

Today yet again or still we have people looking for the same kind of king . Scripture tell us we reign in life. Rom 5:17  For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 

 

Jesus said a number of times in a few ways 

Mat_4:17  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

Mat_12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. 
Mat_16:28  Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. 
Mar_1:15  And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. 
Mar_9:1  And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. 
Luk_6:20  And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. 
Luk_10:9  And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. 
Luk_10:11  Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. 
Luk_11:20  But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. 
Luk_12:32  Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 
Luk_17:20  And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 
Luk_17:21  Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. 
Joh_18:36  Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence

 

There are many who are still looking for a worldly kingdom 

 

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Rev. 20:6: “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.”

 What part of this is not true in the believer living today?

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There are many who are still looking for a worldly kingdom 

LOL Well its pretty hard to form a   Millenarian outlook based on  Paul's definition of  the  Kingdom.

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On 10/10/2018 at 3:23 AM, davy said:

I believe in a post-trib return of our Lord Jesus, and that will begin His "thousand years" reign written in Rev.20.

 

Since there's plenty of Bible Scripture that reveals that reign is yet future because it directly involves His de facto presence and direct rule over all peoples and nations on earth, I don't see how any other view could be supported.

 

If you ask me how that "thousand years" will manifest, I include the OT prophets and not just the NT Scripture. The picture I see from God's Word is that only the faithful elect of Christ's Church will be allowed near Him after He returns. Those of His that erred, including deceived Israel, will serve lower duties in His temple on earth (Ezekiel 40-47), and will stand in judgment throughout the "thousand years", in service to the peoples. It will be the job of Christ's elect to teach them the difference between the clean and unclean, the holy and the profane. Even the servants of the 'synagogue of Satan' will come to worship Christ before the feet of His elect saints. Since Satan will be locked in his pit prison in that future time, there will be no deception getting in the way of all in that time learning God's Ways and Truth.

 

Just as we're shown at the end of Zechariah 14 how some nations will still refuse to come up to Jerusalem to worship The King, The Lord of hosts, that shows some peoples will still knowingly reject our Lord Jesus Christ. That reveals the possibility shown in Rev.20 for after the thousand years, with Satan loosed to tempt the nations one final time, with some heeding him, and going up to the "camp of the saints" to destroy.

 

 

There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth where Jesus Christ will sit on a earthly throne, as humans are born and die around him, as is falsely taught in John N. Darby's & C.I. Scofields Dispensationalism, Once Upon A Time In A Far Distant Land Of Darby & Scofield's Fairy Tales 

When Jesus Christ Returns it will be fire time, as the heavens and earth are "Dissolved" by his firey judgement!

 

"ETERNITY BEGINS"!

"Destroyed Them "All"!

Luke 17:29-30King James Version (KJV)
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

Psalm 46:6KJV

The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

 

Malachi 3:2KJV

2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

 

Isaiah 24:20KJV

20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-8King James Version (KJV)
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 3:13King James Version (KJV)
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

2 Peter 3:10-13King James Version (KJV)
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the whichthe heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

"Then Cometh The End" "Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory", Not A 1000 Year Kingdom On This Earth, Where Humans Are Born, Live, And Die Physical Deaths, John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield, Dallas Theological, Biola, Fairy Tales!

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 & 52-54 King James Version (KJV)
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Don't Be Deceived, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire, "The End"!

 

"Eternity Begins"!

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

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On 9/18/2018 at 1:32 AM, SovereignGrace said:

I ask politely that no one other than these ppl who hold to this system answer in this thread. I don't want a bunch of differing views muddying the H2O more than it is already. Thanks very much for heeding this.

You sure brought out the Amillennialists in this thread. I guess they didn't or couldn't (or wouldn't?) read this request above. 

 

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On 9/20/2018 at 12:07 AM, SovereignGrace said:

Chiliasm is much like amillenialism with the exception it holds to a literal 1,000 year reign of the Christ on earth. Both hold to all believers being one corporate body, whereas dispensationialism sees Israel and the church being two separate entities. I see both being one in Christ, with He being the head, and they being His body.

I am unfamiliar with "Chiliasm" could you please explain this to me please?

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On ‎9‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 12:07 AM, SovereignGrace said:

Chiliasm is much like amillenialism with the exception it holds to a literal 1,000 year reign of the Christ on earth. Both hold to all believers being one corporate body, whereas dispensationialism sees Israel and the church being two separate entities. I see both being one in Christ, with He being the head, and they being His body.

You'd do well to drop all of this " biblical technology " and gain a personal relationship with Christ . All of this foolish Chiliasm and amillenialism is found nowhere in Holy Writ . Hey, don't blame me if you end up in the other place .It's not as though you weren't warned .

35 minutes ago, Just Mike said:

I am unfamiliar with "Chiliasm" could you please explain this to me please?

Read your bible, Mike . Don't pay attention to this non sense !

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28 minutes ago, Matthew Duvall said:

You'd do well to drop all of this " biblical technology " and gain a personal relationship with Christ . All of this foolish Chiliasm and amillenialism is found nowhere in Holy Writ . Hey, don't blame me if you end up in the other place .It's not as though you weren't warned .

Technically "holy writ" isn't a theological term found in the scriptures.

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1 hour ago, Matthew Duvall said:

You'd do well to drop all of this " biblical technology " and gain a personal relationship with Christ . All of this foolish Chiliasm and amillenialism is found nowhere in Holy Writ . Hey, don't blame me if you end up in the other place .It's not as though you weren't warned .

Read your bible, Mike . Don't pay attention to this non sense !

Either you don't know or your ignoring me. Could you please tell me which

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17 hours ago, Matthew Duvall said:

You'd do well to drop all of this " biblical technology " and gain a personal relationship with Christ . All of this foolish Chiliasm and amillenialism is found nowhere in Holy Writ . Hey, don't blame me if you end up in the other place .It's not as though you weren't warned .

Read your bible, Mike . Don't pay attention to this non sense !

I already have a personal relationship with the Christ, but hey, thanks for questioning my salvation. 

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On 10/12/2018 at 12:03 PM, deade said:

You sure brought out the Amillennialists in this thread. I guess they didn't or couldn't (or wouldn't?) read this request above. 

 

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I am not against the Amillennialist view(seeing I was one for years) but how the Bible spells out the 1,000 years is something I haven’t fully grasped. Is it literal? Is it figurative? That’s why I was asking for only historic-premillennialists to respond.

42 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Well handled  SG

Well, I tucked him away. But that one post was against the rules...or should be.

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It was a first for me. Until today every time  I've  seen  salvatiin questioned that way came from the  DF side,  too bad. 

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2 minutes ago, Hitch said:

It was a first for me. Until today every time  I've  seen  salvatiin questioned that way came from the  DF side,  too bad. 

Such behavior will not be tolerated here. And members are encouraged to use the "report" or "flag" a post to staff option. Staff at CF is really trying to step back from micro managing members, but we are relying on member input when addressing net etiquette. Such reporting initiates action on behalf of staff.

 

God bless,

William

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