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  1. Wow, this is flipping hilarious! Give me some time to catch my breath, please..
  2. Great. Now we all get to point to an ancestor of an exotic ethnicity ten generations back and ignore the ethnicities we actually belong to! WooHoo!
  3. Probably for much the same reason jolly old St. Nick punched Arius in the face. Not only to keep him quiet, but to make sure he stayed quiet.
  4. All I can really do is point you in the direction of the Athanasian Creed, where the Incarnation is made fairly clear. The Athanasian Creed Written against the Arians. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly. And the catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is all one: the glory equal, the majesty coeternal. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Ghost uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal. And yet they are not three Eternals, but one Eternal. As there are not three Uncreated nor three Incomprehensibles, but one Uncreated and one Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty. And yet they are not three Almighties, but one Almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord. And yet not three Lords, but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord, So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, There be three Gods, or three Lords. The Father is made of none: neither created nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son: neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before or after other; none is greater or less than another; But the whole three Persons are coeternal together, and coequal: so that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped. He, therefore, that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity. Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe faithfully the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. For the right faith is, that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man of the substance of His mother, born in the world; Perfect God and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood; Who, although He be God and Man, yet He is not two, but one Christ: One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking the manhood into God; One altogether; not by confusion of Substance, but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and Man is one Christ; Who suffered for our salvation; descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead; He ascended into heaven; He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty; from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give an account of their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting; and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire. This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved. http://bookofconcord.org/creeds.php#athanasian This is what I, personally affirm and what God's Church believes, teaches and confesses.
  5. I'd argue against the premise that one could claim to be a Trinitarian, much less a Christian, while denying the critical role that the Holy Spirit plays as one of the Triune Godhead. Article I: Of God. 1] Our Churches, with common consent, do teach that the decree of the Council of Nicaea concerning the Unity of the Divine Essence and concerning the Three Persons, is true and to be believed without any doubting; 2] that is to say, there is one Divine Essence which is called and which is God: eternal, without body, without parts, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness, the Maker and Preserver of all things, visible and invisible; and 3] yet there are three Persons, of the same essence and power, who also are coeternal, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And the term "person" 4] they use as the Fathers have used it, to signify, not a part or quality in another, but that which subsists of itself. 5] They condemn all heresies which have sprung up against this article, as the Manichaeans, who assumed two principles, one Good and the other Evil: also the Valentinians, Arians, Eunomians, Mohammedans, and all such. 6] They condemn also the Samosatenes, old and new, who, contending that there is but one Person, sophistically and impiously argue that the Word and the Holy Ghost are not distinct Persons, but that "Word" signifies a spoken word, and "Spirit" signifies motion created in things. Augsburg Confession - Book of Concord BOOKOFCONCORD.ORG
  6. Good evening, brother! Yes, I will agree that the L part of the TULIP schema is problematic from a Lutheran perspective. We do believe that Christ died for everybody, but the Holy Spirit is the One who will give the Elect the means of grace that they need- the proclamation of the Gospel and the correct usage of the Sacraments- to live truly Christian lives. I do not want to get immersed in that controversy here, so I will simply offer what I've already said about the Lutheran position on Limited Atonement and leave it here. God's blessings attend you this week, @William!
  7. Confessional Lutheranism teaches that those who are elected to salvation are predestined to it, while those who fall away do so on their own, hence we are neither Calvinists or Arminians.
  8. I just tossed the disruptor out, but in case any " Christian curious" are reading this, let me explain something about God's love and mercy. It's just as all encompassing as His justice; in fact, " mercy triumphs over judgment," as it is written. If one approaches God with a sincere attitude of repentance ( which can only be done when the Holy Spirit is already working on the penitent's heart), confesses the sin, then s/he can be fully confident in faith that God has already wiped away the sin. Sin is something God hates. God hates sin so much and He loves us so much, that as mired in sin as we are, He sent His Son to us in the flesh, so He would die for our sins and rise so we might be justified before our Father. The Holy Spirit wants to purge us of all our sin and the Blood of Jesus does just that. In the waters of Holy Baptism, our Old Adam is drowned and the Holy Spirit creates new movements in us. It all begins and ends with faith, which itself is a gift given to us by God and renewed with the study and proclamation of the Word and the reception of the Holy Sacraments. We all need Jesus Christ to dwell within us, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit that we might experience that newness of life that only God can give.
  9. He's done, @Becky. I see that I'll have to be a bit more vigilant. I saw that he was unchurched and if I'm right, that's an issue as well.
  10. I just wanted to add my support and wholehearted agreement with what @William wrote. He's absolutely right. Christianity is about life and self- control. Liberalism ( in any form) seems to be about the " right" to kill human beings other human beings regard as inconveniences. That's just the worst manifestation of liberal self- indulgence.
  11. Perhaps not, but the News Feeder ( I believe) is something that is part of the forum. I wouldn't remove it without the forum owner/ administrator's go ahead. A misunderstanding, I think. I was talking about deleting this particular topic, not getting rid of News Feeder entirely. This subject is rather near and dear to people on both sides of the debate and with Mr. Evans' tragic death, the conversation is only going to get worse. Oversight, certainly. Perhaps the admins could appoint somebody to review certain articles that others might find objectionable and filter out those stories that would cause unnecessary conflict. I'd suggest the same thing with the Babylon Bee articles.
  12. Perhaps not, but the News Feeder ( I believe) is something that is part of the forum. I wouldn't remove it without the forum owner/ administrator's go ahead.
  13. Great work, @William ! If you only knew how weary I get of hearing millenials talk about how they think we're in the " end times" because of this or that disaster. Thanks be to God for men like St. Augustine who gave us a better option.
  14. You know, three years in Florida and I didn't visit the beach once? I was also kind of amazed as to how flat the place was. I missed my rolling hills and mountains in the distance.
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