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John Calvin puts forward a very simple reason why love is the greatest gift: “Because faith and hope are our own: love is diffused among others.” In other words, faith and hope benefit the possessor, but love always benefits another. In John 13:34–35 Jesus says, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Love always requires an “other” as an object; love cannot remain within itself, and that is part of what makes love the greatest gift.


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  1. I think you need to go see a doctor and get some medication for those two noids you've developed.
  2. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    Yes it does appear that people get easily frustrated here and easily drawn into attacking newcomers. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of motivation here when it comes to keeping things civil or christ-like and quite frankly I don't think I'm going to last long here given the type of responses I keep seeing. If you don't want people to respond to Old threads then delete them.
  3. Your post are the ones that are reactive my friend, I am simply stating facts that you don't care to address or can't. So are you suggesting Jesus wasn't born, or are you suggesting he was the only son but God had a daughter? Most modern translations use only son or one and only son because using the word only born is redundant unless one wants to strive about words, which apparently is what was going on when they release the second version of the Nicene Creed in 381 ad. A son or a daughter is born they don't miraculously appear out of nothing. The point is that the Creed says 'begotten before all time', and that is not factual, so please try to stick to the issue and not run down these rabbit trails. He translates it as only son for the same reason they got rid of begotten which means the same as born. It is commonly understood that his son can't be a son unless he is born or adopted but that still means that he was born. So what exactly are you saying Jesus wasn't born or Jesus was adopted? Strong's defines μονογενής as; only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child). No, I'm talking about his translation and his site; https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/monogenes Which despite all your bravado you don't seem to be able to clarify one iota. You must really believe you're the smartest person in the world when it comes to exegeting scripture, and YOU are very much mistaken. How about you contribute to the discussion instead of making all these supercilious comments? You have a lot of negative things to say about me but you have nothing positive to contribute to the conversation so unless you intend on doing so I'm just going to put you on ignore.
  4. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    My four kids are baptized and one of my grandkids was baptized last week but I see you still can't answer the question. Seems to me you just like trolling?
  5. I understand them perfectly I was born and raised in the RCC. What verses exactly refer to Jesus as God the son? The only person I really see pontificating here is RevT. Thanks for coming out.
  6. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    I'm pretty sure his words spoke for themselves, as I just posted. Are you saying those were not his words?
  7. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    Could be like I said I seem to recall you but not this actual site.
  8. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    “...at whatever time we are baptised, we are washed and purified once for the whole life...we must...recall our baptism...so as to feel certain and secure of the remission of sins...it wipes and washes away all our defilements” (IV: xv, 3). Again: “God in baptism promises the remission of sins, and will undoubtedly perform what he has promised to all believers. That promise was offered to us in baptism, let us therefore embrace it in faith” (IV: xxv, 17). And, “We have...a similar promise given to the fathers in circumcision, similar to that which is given to us in baptism...the forgiveness of sins and the mortification of the flesh....We deny...that...the power of God cannot regenerate infants....Let God, then, be demanded why he ordered circumcision to be performed on the bodies of infants...by baptism we are ingrafted into the body of Christ (1 Cor xii.13). [Therefore] infants...are to be baptised...” (IV: xv, 22; xvi, 3, 4, 8, 10, 17-32). I give these quotes in What Love Is This? on pp. 41, 388, 430, among others, and I hold Calvin to these statements. This is a Catholic dogma, yet it was carried over into many “reformed” churches and remains there today. https://www.thebereancall.org/content/april-20
  9. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    You can find the following here; http://www.theologian.org.uk/doctrine/calvin-baptism.html I am not moved by the objection, that the promise ought to be sufficient to confirm the salvation of our children. It has seemed otherwise to God, who, seeing our weakness, has herein been pleased to condescend to it. Let those, then, who embrace the promise of mercy to their children, consider it as their duty to offer them to the Church, to be sealed with the symbol of mercy, and animate themselves to surer confidence, on seeing with the bodily eye the covenant of the Lord engraven on the bodies of their children. On the other hand, children derive some benefit from their baptism, when, being ingrafted into the body of the church, they are made an object of greater interest to the other members. Then when they have grown up, they are thereby strongly urged to an earnest desire of serving God, who has received them as sons by the formal symbol of adoption, before, from nonage, they were able to recognise him as their Father. In fine, we ought to stand greatly in awe of the denunciations that God will take vengeance on every one who despises to impress the symbol of the covenant on his child, (Gen. 17: 15,) such contempt being a rejection, and, as it were, abjuration of the offered grace.
  10. The only words found in the book of life are people's names so of course catholic is not in the Book of Life. Catholic does not mean Roman Catholic Church it means Universal.
  11. Guess he didn't understand what the true meaning of the word 'catholic' is?
  12. Not that I saw evident in your last post. μονογενής (monogenēs) connotes "only born", which is directly from Mounce's Reverse Interlinear Greek translation. Moo & Wallace both agree. The English translation of the Greek... Are you saying that the English translation is wrong? As I have already stated I prefer the original version and not the second one. What they meant has been translated if you're trying to tell me that's not what they meant then please do so and not just equivocate. My issue is not really that what they wrote in the second rendition was wrong according to scripture, my issue is that many Christians support the Nicene Creed when in fact the Nicene Creed is not fully in line with scripture. If you can explain to me where in scripture it says that Jesus was begotten before the beginning of time then please do so but in my 45 years experience of studying the Bible, I haven't seen it once.
  13. StanJ

    Should Babies' Be Baptized?

    Some may be surprised to learn that Calvin supported infant baptism as a way of guaranteeing salvation. That is one thing that came right out of the RCC, which he didn't rebell against.
  14. Yes I know all about this and I understand that arianism was ONE of the reasons the Creed was created. My issue is not with the original Creed my issue is with the second one and the part that I highlighted which nobody seems willing to deal with, at least so far. Jesus was begotten the day he was born in Bethlehem. That's what begotten means. It has to do with being born a human being. It has nothing to do with creating spirits, or for that matter birthing spirits. Hebrews 1:3 explains the hypostatic union, so in my view there's nothing that scripture doesn't address as far as the divine nature of Jesus. For sure it doesn't say that Jesus was begotten before the beginning of time. Why would anybody want to claim a Creed as their statement of faith when it does not accurately reflect what Christianity is about? Christianity is about claiming Jesus as our God and savior. As far as Arius is concerned, this Creed really didn't help did it, because there are still unitarians among us today, but we now also have denominations that believe that only Jesus is God.
  15. His divine nature is the Word, as John 1:14 clearly states. Jesus was not begotten of the father before all worlds. He was begotten by Mary when he was. That is definitely a contradiction. No one wants to interpret the wording the Creed as saying that the father was before the world's then that's fine I have no problem with that but most people take it to mean that Jesus was begotten before the worlds and that is absolutely not factual according to scripture.

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