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  1. I think theophilus has a good point about recognizing that both perspectives can be true; heaps of prophecy was fulfilled in Jesus' and the apostles' day, but there's also heaps that hasn't. When you listen to the explanations preterists give for prophecy from the Revelation already being fulfilled, it's usually a series of random events throughout history, but the Revelation isn't like that at all. The events all relate to one another to make up a bigger picture which is consistent. For example, Daniel talks about a final 7 year period in which an agreement for animal sacrifices are resumed (which can only happen in the temple), but in the middle of that "week" something terrible happens. The Revelation also talks about the same period of time in years, months, and days (i.e. 3.5 years, 42 months, and 1260 days, probably so that it would be more difficult to obscure this time line) in which various events happen. This period of time just happens to correspond with the same period of time Daniel referenced in a few different places and which Jesus described in Matthew 24 when he referenced Daniel and the Great Tribulation. It's all connected.
  2. I'm curious why this thread is entitled "more hand wringing". I'm fairly sure "hand wringing" is a euphemism for worry.
  3. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not. Regarding these underlined verses from the OP, I believe they are referring to a time when people believe Jesus should have come back before the tribulation starts. The problems start happening and these people feel disillusioned. They will have become so set in their religious pride that they won't back down so they'll invent stories about Jesus appearing secretly and all they need to do is go to him.
  4. REV 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. It doesn't sound at all like the normal kind of gold we think of. It's probably some kind of material we don't yet know about, which somewhat as the appearance of Gold. This is the return of Jesus and the technology of God so who knows what it really is. I do agree that the people are the city, spiritually, but then there is this physical city described, too. I don't think it must either all be literal or all symbolic; there is plenty of room for a mixture of the two.
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