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  1. “12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” - John 1:12-13 1 Corinthians 3:7 - “7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.” In the first reference, we are not born into salvation, not can we choose it of our own will, which is enmity against God, not by the will of man, where others try to petition the Lord to save such and such a person. We receive God, not accept Him. In the second reference, we spread the Gospel, which is to confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and Savior and to believe in our hearts that He died and rose from the dead. Another may also witness to that person, but ultimately God gives the increase if he is chosen from the foundation of the world, Revelation 17:8 KJV. Jesus was predestined to die for our sins before creation: Revelation 13:8 KJV Predestination is everything predetermined by God before the world began. Election deals specifically with who is chosen by God since before the world began. There is much more to say on this subject. Read Matthew 13, the parable of the wheat and the tares and Jesus' interpretation of it. We are what we are, either wheat or tares, as explained by the Lord.
  2. The old covenant has yet to be fulfilled. God fulfills His covenants Anything I say has been unfruitful, but through no fault of my own. The only things to resort to from here on would be getting personal, which is unfruitful. We are both guilty of it, if there be a guilt to it. Ship Alone, stick to your guns! Choose your battles wisely. I can't get through to anti-premillenials in this forum, as they believe in man more than God. I've left the building... after much work, I can't break the conceit of some on this forum. Again, just look at the name of this thread. Arrogant forum, this. To be perfectly clear, I quit. I'm fed up with ban threats and high-minded conceited responses coming from church leaders, not the Bible and the Holy Spirit.
  3. These verses may have been quoted before, but if they were, they're worth repeating: "27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the ttribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." - Matthew 24:27-31 "13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and fthe dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them iin the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 The quote from Matthew 24 is the second coming of Christ. As can be read, the saints are gathered from the four winds of heaven, not from the earth. It is at the end of the great tribulation when Jesus comes with them to fight for Israel, fulfilling the Abrahamic Covenant from back in Genesis. The quote from 1 Thessalonians 4 describes how the dead believers up to the time Jesus appears in the air while there are yet live believers, reads that the believers, first the dead then those alive, are caught up (raptured) to meet the Lord in the air. The Lord does not at that time come to the earth. The saints are not gathered from heaven, but out of the earth. There is no battle yet, either. Anyone who denies that these are two separate events is ignoring Scripture. It does not take a theologian, scholar, pastor, or any man to see that these are two separate events. There are references to OT Scriptures such as Daniel that are made in Matthew 24:15. One cannot draw the amillennialist conclusions based on Matthew 24 alone without including the rest of the Bible. It won't be correct. The idea that this rapture doctrine is relatively recent and therefore is disqualified makes no sense. Many have no trouble disqualifying the KJV for the recent versions of the Bible, so why disqualify what Darby and others said not long ago? No logic here. Besides, what matters most is what the Bible says, not Darby or amillennialist teachers. I already laid out my findings in the Bible; just check my threads through a search on this site. .
  4. Post 102 is way out of line... and he's wrong.
  5. Yep. I have already referenced the Bible verses supporting the view I expressed. Search my threads. I'm tired of repeating myself. I know some teachers who agree with me too. Such as John MacArthur, David Hocking, et al, but the Bible is the convincing factor to what I believe, not some seminaries and scholars. Your doctrine fails to even recognize history and current world events.
  6. Save it for the Presbyterian site. The rapture shall occur IN THE AIR, then the tribulation, (7 years), then the second coming of Christ TO THE EARTH. The saints then rule with Christ for 1000 years, just as the Bible says. Don't believe it? Then don't claim to believe in the whole Bible.
  7. God's plan is from the foundation of the world. He is in control of all things, therefore He knows all things. God is love. Love never fails. Part of love involves judgment. There are degrees of love and of hate. The word "hate" can also mean to love less, depending on the Greek or Hebrew word and context. The Bible gives us great examples of what love is and what it isn't in Timothy and in Corinthians. In the OP, God cannot sin. God can hate, and does with a perfect hatred. God loves and with pure love. Many people do not understand love or hate. Robin Williams was Catholic and lost all his faith, so that even what he had, he lost. Tragic. The purposelessness of the feeling of secular society leaves a trail of corpses. It is the lack of God that kills, not the loving of God. Without God in one's life, one has the prince of this world, Satan, in his life... death, spiritually and often physically.
  8. What in the world are you talking about? I think you make these kind of posts to argue with people not work out the truth. And you are condescending to me again. I know what is symbolic and what isn't, but what is, represents real events that are prophesied that did or will happen. I trust the translators of the KJV over your own or those of some obscure translation. Never mind the Greek, I'm not impressed by armchair scholars. The book is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. There is no argument about that. Sure there is symbolism. You obviously think I'm an idiot or something.
  9. The word "revelation" in the Greek. What Daniel saw was much of it to be sealed up for that time. The NT places like Matthew 24 and the Revelation unseal what Daniel saw. Are you saying that none of the things in Revelation are relevant or will not happen? (Some did, such as the letters to the churches). He saw things much like John. It is written as to what they saw, though those things represent other things, depending on what we're talking about that do or did exist and did or will happen, expressed as beasts and stars, and so forth being what they saw, but having a meaning, then hidden, now revealed more openly.
  10. In the KJV, the greek word translated revelation is always apokalupsis, meaning disclosure, appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation. Where the word Apocalypse comes from. Read Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 2. I don't quite understand what you are trying to say about it, but it is clear to me that Jesus through an angel is revealing things to John which must happen hereafter. That's a fact. It is more than symbolized. Your second paragraph starts with speculation on your part.
  11. Thanks for clarifying that. Anyway, I disagree. I stand on literal description of the rapture and the millennium. You know the verses. Something popular doesn't make it right. The Scriptures do, and they are on my side on this issue. I don't mean that in a nasty sense. I mean that they mean what they say. I learned that from the Bible and the Spirit. I know what you may be thinking there, too, but it is what I know, and for me, that is what counts - what the Spirit and the Bible say.
  12. I am talking about amillennialism - I am expressing my opposition to it. I am on topic in the right subtopic, near as I can tell. How are the subtopics intended? Is the subtopic for only those who agree with each other on them or do they allow opposing discourse?
  13. You don't know what you're talking about. Pretribulation believers are not responsible for that and it is a mighty weak retort. Enough on this topic with you because the Bible is quite clear on these events and you don't believe in what the Bible says about them. Without being able to convince you with scripture, there is nothing that counts which will convince you. So If you continue respond to me with hatred in this topic, it will be ignored.
  14. Describing the Catholic faith as Arminian is unnecessary in that all that need be said is that they believe one can choose to be saved (through them) or not. They in my experience, do believe in free will. That is yet another false doctrine they adhere to. They say and do things in the name of a Lord whom they don't even know. They do wonderful works in His name, cast out demons in His name, preach in the streets in His name. What would the Lord say to those who do not know Him? "Go away, ye that work iniquity; I never knew you." Many will be self-deceived through false churches IMO.
  15. We all have a will which is enslaved to sin. Believers have the Holy Spirit, who wars against our sin nature (our sinful will). All things are predestined from the beginning, including who is saved and who is not. Also, what might help is in Matthew 13, the parable of the wheat and the tares. Don't forget to read Jesus' interpretation of the parable.
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