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  1. Hi Solas, Agreed on all,,,just want to say that OSAS is not biblical. If we return to a state of having a sinful life, there's no way we can still be saved. What you're speaking of is eternal security...this is what I believe. We remain in Christ and follow His teachings and we will have eternal security. I do believe, and am certain actually, that 1 John 2:18 is speaking about gnostics that had invaded the church. John was very concerned about this. The persons that had left were gnostics...
  2. Please put your mod hat on when you're speaking as a mod. Otherwise, I'll treat you as a regular member and poster. You could read ALL my posts so far, I never made a snark remark. That's all I'll say since I don't know if you're here as a mod or a poster.
  3. Hi Faber,,, Thanks for the info re E.O. As to catholics...I live in Italy and all I have around me are Catholic churches. I'd have to travel 45 minutes to get to a protestant one. They believe that Jesus saves them just like we do. I believe God judges us in the way we were taught. IOW, it is the teachers that the bible warns are more responsible.. James 3:1 Having taught kids,,,I felt a burden to be very precise. But what if someone is being taught incorrectly? If they are adhering to a doctrine because they know nothing else, surely God will take this into account? They've heard about Mary and the saints all their life...it doesn't seem wrong to them. I should add that Mary is not worshipped like God is. Unfortunately, some Catholics are not familiar with their own doctrine, so maybe some do - I wouldn't know this, it's a heart thing. The ones I say are born again do have good fruit, they do believe in Jesus as Savior and, as far as I can tell, they do seem to be born again. God can reach anyone anywhere. But only God knows for sure.
  4. The above is contradictory and this is why I don't understand this theology. You speak about something called The Outward Call. This is a theology only calvinism holds and not the rest of Protestantism..IOW, it was abandoned by some in the reformation that did not accept predestination as understood by Calvin -- Others in the protestant movement did accept God's desire to accept all and our free will and our sin nature (but not total depravity)...etc. You state that there is a requirement or necessity to evangelize to everyone...but then you state that this outward call is always, by itself, ineffective. So then, WHY have any evangelisation if it's going to be ineffective? I checked every verse you posted and none of them are different from any others that state that God's salvation is available to all. This is the Good News of the N.T.: In these last days God has appeared to all for salvation. Philippians 3:9-11 , 9and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith, [it is our faith that saves us] 10that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead. Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared [Jesus], bringing salvation to all men. [who accept the Good News of salvation available to all] 2 timothy 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the Word of God. We need to present ourselves approved to God as a WORKMAN who does not need to be ashamed....This shows that synergism is correct...God requires our obedience and our actions to be reconciled to His work by the Holy Spirit and cause our continuing sanctification. Romans 1:6 6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ; The called are those that Jesus INVITES to be God's very own. If you see Romans 1:1 Paul states that he is "called" to be a missionary...he was invited by God to be a missionary - did he HAVE TO be a missionary? No. He had to agree. Just like Mary had to agree to be the mother of Jesus. It is God's sovereignty working with our free will...it does not have to be one or the other -it's both. Every other verse you posted is the same...it is an invitation to be among those that are saved by believing in God. Romans 5:1-6 1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. 3And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. The Order: 1. We are justified by faith ---we have faith and thus are justified. 2. Jesus Christ instructs us as to our faith. 3. The love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit, which has been give to us --- after faith and justification. A person that is not saved and thus not justified cannot have the Holy Spirit living within him, otherwise there would be no difference between a saved person and an unsaved person.
  5. Solas, you mentioned modern evangelical churches...I said modern schools of thought; I'll tell you a couple - one would be the Word of Faith movement. It makes God become OUR servant and not the other way around. It states that whatever we ask for will be received, even if we don't see the result yet. It makes people lose their faith because they don't get what they ask for and are told that it's because they don't have "enough" faith. Another idea is OSAS. This is the concept that once someone becomes born again, he can return to a life of sin and still be saved because God gave him "eternal life". I'd say these are the main two...but there are more. How about some churches breaking away from their denomination because they don't believe Jesus is God...this also is happening. I agree with you regarding your belief in the last paragraph. The ECFs agreed on all the important concepts Jesus left us with. When we read the early church we have to be careful because some of the writers were gnostic in nature...a heresy which the Catholic church rejected at that time. Usually the ECFs are those between the end of the 1st century and up to about 325 AD at the council of Nicea....after that the church began to change, as you've stated. I hear, as you also have said, that the ECFs were not inspired. Let's remember that they knew persons that knew Jesus. Was Augustine inspired? Anselm? Luther? Calvin? Graham? NO. That doesn't mean that they don't speak truth. I agree with what you've said about the CC. What is E.O.?
  6. P.S. All Protestant denominations believe in sola scriptura... I have NOT studied all denominations....(as to the 3 or 5 that you mentioned).
  7. I wasn't being snarky. You asked a strange question. I said that I taught OUR faith. I'm Christian...Calvinists are Christian, every other denomination you mentioned is Christian. So....aren't YOU Christian? It was a way to make you think about what you asked. I'm sorry if you took it badly. I've told @William and I'll tell you also, I don't agree with Calvinist theology, but I do believe we're brothers in Christ. I don't believe in a lot of Catholic theology but I have born again catholic friends. Ditto for any other denomination that is CHRISTIAN...by that I mean that we believe that Jesus died for our sins, is God, and was resurrected to win sin and death.
  8. William, I used to teach our faith. I won't be forgetting what I know any time soon. Got any more questions? What? Sleepy minds think alike? Catch you manana. (put a squiggly line above the first n) Buenas Noches.
  9. Gee thanks. >I got the first question right --- but I'm full of misinformation. That's interesting. You want me to learn religion/faith from the NET!!! Do you realize there was NO NET when I was learning? Monergism God does it all Synergism Man's cooperation is required Now, you want to know how sola fide (faith alone) rejects a process of works between two cooperating parties in justification.... JUSTIFICATION IS BY ONE PARTY.....GOD
  10. Hi Solas, Such a good post above and it's so late here --- but I'll give it a go with a sleepy mind... Yes...your question had to do with what came first....faith or regeneration (if I remember, sorry if I got it wrong). It seems common to me to know that faith must come first. You have to believe in me first before you listen and learn from what I tell you. Same for God. You have to have faith and believe in Him first, before you're willing to hear His voice (the Greek hear, with the heart) and do as He would want you to do. This is sanctification, or regeneration as it's called here. Sanctification is being set aside for service to God...regeneration means to be made new --- basically the same idea. Believing and Justification could be simultaneous. Justification is exactly how you explained it in a previous post. You repent/convert...repent means to change direction...we're born walking toward satan...we come to know God and want to turn around; change our direction and walk toward Him. At this moment we are justified. We are saved and declared to be a child of God. Sanctification is, instead, an ongoing process which lasts our whole life. We're set aside (holy means the same thing) for service to God...with the help of the Holy Spirit; he is our paraclete. He dwells within us. I've said on this very site that Calvin had superior intelligence and I very much like some of his commentaries. I dislike the fact that he taught Unconditional Election. I just don't believe that's the God I know and love. I think it might turn some away..I think it makes some not have hope of being saved... What do you think of all these modern schools of thought? I've started reading the Early Church Fathers...a couple of years now. Do you think that's valid? Some of them knew an Apostle...I find their views very interesting. Is it possible to know more than they did? I'd also like to say that although I'm Protestant in doctrine, I do know catholic doctrine very well because I've taught it --- not because I grew up catholic. I learned nothing while I was in that church...I left it many years ago. However, I can speak to that also. (since you said you were interested in it). Thanks for such a nice post...I appreciate it.
  11. I answered you in post 128... sola means alone. Sono sola means I'm alone. Sola Scripture means Scripture Alone I know the 5 solas of Calvinism BTW. I know what each one means. I know that Protestantism only uses one...sola scriptura We can't evangelize the same way because: 1. Why do you even evangelize if God does the choosing? 2. I worry for persons that believe God picked them out of a basket for no reason at all because it causes some to worry about their salvation and when they do there is no comfort available for them. As I've said and I'm sure you know...I heard Piper go through this very thing with someone. 3. It's not possible that all theologians were wrong and only Luther and Calvin and those others were right. It could not have taken 1,500 years to understand what Jesus was talking about....the Apostles and those after them always knew. It's so liberating to know that God loves all men and that He would like for all men to be saved. Unfortunately, not all men want to be in service to God.
  12. Oh for goodness sake W, I speak 3 languages and 1 dialect. Ask me something a little more difficult. Calvinists believe in the 5 solas. Protestantism believes in 1 sola. What is it you want to teach me? Scripture alone... Only Scripture...
  13. Here,,,from your very own site: (which I agree with BTW) Sola Scriptura is believed by ALL protestants,,,not just calvinists. And why do you ask me what sola means? The Reformation principle of sola Scriptura has to do with the sufficiency of Scripture as our supreme authority in all spiritual matters. Sola Scriptura simply means that all truth necessary for our salvation and spiritual life is taught either explicitly or implicitly in Scripture. It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture. The most ardent defender of sola Scriptura will concede, for example, that Scripture has little or nothing to say about DNA structures, microbiology, the rules of Chinese grammar, or rocket science. This or that “scientific truth,” for example, may or may not be actually true, whether or not it can be supported by Scripture—but Scripture is a “more sure Word,” standing above all other truth in its authority and certainty. It is “more sure,” according to the apostle Peter, than the data we gather firsthand through our senses (2 Peter 1:19). Therefore, Scripture is the highest and supreme authority on any matter on which it speaks.
  14. What question? About the 5 solas? I don't mean this in an uncivil way,,, Honestly,,,I don't care about the 5 solas. Where are they in scripture? Then I'll comment.
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