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  1. jeremiah1five

    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    I haven't sinned. But she may be ready to sin by excommunicating me through banning for no real sin. I sought you out and you refer me to her? She's the one calling me a liar and in that calling Christ a liar. This might be a Christianly site but from my experience it is not Biblical.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    PROVE I said that, Becky. IF I didn't say that and you are wrong what does Scripture/God call you? Or is that the typical treatment of Christ and Christ in me? Whatsoever you have done to the least of these MY BRETHREN YOU have done it to me. William, I discern you are fair. Would you write me?
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    No. Paul refers to a letter in 1 Cor. that he wrote to them prior. And for God's own purpose and reason it is not available. Consider the Dead Sea Scrolls. Found in a cave in 1947. 1900 years (roughly) after the Ascension and 400 years after the Reformation. THAT was revelation AND illumination. So, was that a fraud? *What may happen is a shift of numbers. I submit: 1 John 4:1 (KJV) 1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. I don't mind being tested IF one KNOWS how to test. I stand (or sit) corrected. Very good. But not in different sense.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    There are no 'lesser' apostles. The natural order is God, Christ, man, woman. The spiritual order is God, Christ, everyone else in the Body of Christ. It is horizontal after Christ. The canon is closed for now. Does God reveal truth to you? Does God illuminate still? Both exist today at a individual level and corporate level else there would be no Reformation or Presbyterianism etc. What if the real 1 Corinthian letter is discovered in some cave? What would you do with it if in charge of its keeping? Declare the canon is closed and God no longer speaks to us as He says in John 14 and 16 et.al? What God began at Pentecost is still continues to this day. He started it He will close it at His coming and we are restored back into Trinity. What is an apostle/apostolos? All it means is "commissioned." Would you claim God does not commission His servants today? How can you hold a stick without the thumb?
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    Ephesians 2:19-22 (KJV) 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Paul addresses Gentile believers baptized at the moment of their salvation into the 'household of God' and "with the saints." For every church-plant of God there must be an apostle or prophet or that church is not of God. To deny the Life of Christ in His people is to deny Christ Himself.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    That's the basis Paul used to verify his call as apostle. He said he was one born out of due time. There are 12 apostles of the Lamb. These are foundational to the beginning of the fellowship/church at Jerusalem. But there were also other fellowships in Asia Minor and even across the world since then. If Eph. 2:20 is true then each fellowship must have a foundational apostle and/or prophet or that is NOT a Church plant of God. I'm not preaching. No true-born is an island. We are not all like the Dead Sea where water flows in but doesn't flow out which results in high salt content and dead. I will consider. I'll make sincere attempt to do that. Thank you.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    I saw several questions or statements that could be answered in one response. Plus, it allowed me to not repeat myself.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    We all do not have the same ministry. Each individual in the Body of Christ is different. An apostle did not have to see the Lord. Paul was apostle as was Epahroditus - I see Epaphroditus as an apostle's apostle as he ministered to Paul in his time but each with different call, each with different spiritual gift(s) and number, each with different edumacation, each with different temperament, each with different personalities, each with a different pound (natural gift), and each being used of God differently. For Paul his was with signs and wonders, but not everyone is given a sign or wonder. There is an inner witness in the individual and an outer witness to the individual - but each being used primarily for the Church brethren. These 5 Gift Ministries are given to the Church and not to the world of unbelievers at large for we do not know who is to be saved - unless the Lord reveals this to the one being used of God. There is no "apostle to the Gentiles" for the apostle is given to the Church: It says: Ephesians 4:12 (KJV) 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: It does not say, "for the perfecting of the world." It does not say, "for the work of the world." It does not say, "for the edifying of the body of the world."
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    Paul described the Church like a human body (1 co. 12). The hand in the Body represents service, or service rendered. Each digit of the hand corresponds to each office of the Five Gift Ministries. The apostle is the thumb. The prophet is the index or pointing finger. The evangelist is the middle or long finger describing 'the reach' of the evangelist. The pastor is the ring-finger for he/she is married to the Church. The teacher is the pinky-finger which balances the hand. If you lose one digit of you hand the function of the hand is crippled or diminished. Man is the only mammal with an opposing digit, meaning each finger can touch the other four fingers. Apes cannot do this. Christ is Apostle: Hebrews 3:1 (KJV) 1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus; Christ is Prophet: John 4:19 (KJV) 19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. (et.al) Christ is Evangelist: Matthew 4:17 (KJV) 17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. (et.al) Christ is Pastor: John 10:14 (KJV) 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. Christ is Teacher: John 3:2 (KJV) 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. These ministries/calls are the manifestation of Christ in His people. To deny any of these truths in the Church today is to deny Christ.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    No, I am not an apostle. The canon is closed. For now. What are signs? What are wonders? We are not all apostles. We are not all thumbs in the body of Christ. But the apostle is Biblical. Even today.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    Innerfire, these gifts are to and for the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ? The Scripture is to and for Covenant believers today (Church - called out [ones].) The apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, and teacher are for the benefit of the Church and not the world.
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    The So-Called Five-Fold Ministries

    William, I hold neither has ceased today.
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    God Created Man/Adam Sin-ful

    I gave you the respect of a reply. However, I have said something(s) in the course of this thread that you wanted to continue to 'debate' on what I said in these replies. I would prefer that if you wanted to discuss those things you wanted to continue (which will take this thread into another direction that has noting to do with the title of my post) then create a thread and I may reply.
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    God Created Man/Adam Sin-ful

    Amen.
  15. Ephesians 4:11 (KJV) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; These ministries are a part of a Biblical Church. The ministry of apostles did not end with the death of John. Nor with the collection of scrolls that make up our New Testament. These ministries are essential to a Biblical Church.
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