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  1. Hi all nice to meet you here. I am new so thought I would post s topic for discussion.. CAN WE FALL AWAY FROM THE FAITH AND DEPART FROM GOD? 2 THESSALONIANS 2:1-4 [1], Now we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together to him, [2], That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3], Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4], Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Who is the warning to; BELIEVERS or UNBELIEVERS? The WARNING is for BELIEVERS which is the CONTEXT. This is verified in v1-3. [1], Now we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together to him, [2], That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3], Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. The Greek word used here for "FALLING AWAY" is ἀποστασία; apostasia; which means defection from truth (properly the state), (" apostasy" - falling away, forsake. The reason for the FALLING AWAY is that those who fell away did not receive a LOVE of the truth that they might be saved *2 THESSALONIANS 2:10. They did not CONTINUE in God's WORD *JOHN 8:31-32 believing and following it and became "UNBELIEVERS".They had the truth, did not love the truth and fell away from the truth of Gods' WORD. The very CONTEXT here is v2 "BE NOT SHAKEN IN MIND" v3 "LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU". There will be a v3 FALLING AWAY (DEPARTING FROM THE TRUTH ἀποστασία; apostasia). The reason for the FALLING AWAY is that those who fell away did not receive a LOVE of the truth that they might be saved *2 THESSALONIANS 2:10. They did not CONTINUE in God's WORD *JOHN 8:31-32 believing and following it and became "UNBELIEVERS". HEBREWS 3:12 [12], TAKE HEED BRETHEREN LEST THERE BE IN ANY OF YOU AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD. HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6], IF THEY SHALL FALL AWAY, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God: [8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned. 2 PETER 2:20-22 [20], FOR IT THEY HAVE ESCAPED THE POLLUTIONS OF THE WORLD THROUGH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST, THEY ARE AGAIN ENTANGLED THEREIN AND OVERCOME, THE LATTER END IS WORSE THEN THE BEGGINING. [21], FOR IT HAD BEEN BETTER FOR THEN NOT TO HAVE KNOWN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THAN, AFTER THEY HAVE KNOWN IT, TO TURN FROM THE HOLY COMMANDMENT DELIEVERED UNTO THEM. [22], But it is happened to them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. HEBREWS 10:26-31 26, FOR IT WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER WE RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, 27, BUT A FEARFUL LOOKING FORWARD FOR OF JUDGEMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES. 28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29, OF HOW MUCH MORE SORER PUNISHMENT, SUPPOSE YOU, SHALL HE BE THOUGHT WORTHY, WHO HAS TRODDEN UNDER FOOT THE SON OF GOD, AND HAS COUNTED THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WITH WHICH HE WAS SANCTIFIED AN UNHOLY THING AND HAS DONE DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE? 30, For we know him that has said, Vengeance belongs to me, I will recompense, said the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31, IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF THE LIVING GOD. GALATIANS 1:6 [6] I marvel that you are TURNING AWAY SO SOON from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, TO A DIFFERENT GOSPEL. HEBREWS 2:1-3 Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, LEST WE DRIFT AWAY. For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just reward, how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him. HEBREWS 10:35-38 [35], CAST NOT AWAY THEREFORE YOUR CONFIDENCE, which has great recompense of reward. [36], For you have need of patience, that, after you have done the will of God, you might receive the promise. [37], For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. [38], Now the just shall live by faith: BUT IF ANY MAN SHALL DRAW BACK, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Well you get the picture, there is too many more scriptures that can be included here and we have not even started in the OLD TESTATMENT scriptures... God's Word says that we can indeed fall away and lose our salvation and warns us to continue in God's Word.. JESUS says that to be His disciples we must CONTINUE believing and following His Word... JOHN 8:31-36 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free? [34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. [35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever. [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed. Our salvation is conditional on believeing and following God's Word always in the "present tense" (the now). Someone that believed and followed Gods Word yesterday but today has fallen away from believing and following God's Word today and has fallen back to a life of sin is no longer a believer but has become an unbeliever and it not in a saved state before God unless they return to God in repentance, confession of sin and faith in God's Word. DO WE HAVE TO ENDURE TEMPTATION TO THE END BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GOD'S WORD IN ORDER TO BE SAVED? MATTHEW 24:13 [12], And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. [13], But HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED. MARK 13:13 [13], And you shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but HE THAT ENDURES TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED. HEBREWS 3:13-14 [13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14], FOR WE ARE MADE PARTAKERS WITH CHRIST IF WE HOLD THE COPNFDENCE OF OUR FAITH STEADFAST TO THE END. HEBREWS 3:6 [6], But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, IF WE HOLD FAST THE CONFIDENCE AND THE REJOICING OF THE HOPE FIRM TO THE END. COLOSSIANS 1:12-14; 23 [12], Giving thanks to the Father, which has made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: [13], Who has delivered us from the power of darkness, and has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: [14], In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins..... [23], IF YOU CONTINUE IN THE FAITH GROUNDED AND SETTLED AND BE NOT MOVED AWAY FROM THE HOPE OF THE GOSPEL WHICH YOU HAVE HEARD, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister JOHN 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD THEN ARE YOU MY DISCIPLES INDEED; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 1JOHN 1:7 But IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 1 JOHN 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. IF THAT WHICH YOU HAVE HEARD FROM THE BEGGINING SHALL REMAIN IN YOU, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. HEBREWS 3:12-14 [12], TAKE HEED BRETHEREN LEST THERE BE IN ANY OF YOU AN EVIL HEART OF UNBELIEF IN DEPARTING FROM THE LIVING GOD. [13], But exhort one another daily, while it is called today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. [14], FOR WE ARE MADE PARTAKERS WITH CHRIST IF ER HOLD THE BEGINNING OF OUR CONFIDENCE STEADFAST UNTO THE END. WHAT IS IT THAT WE HAVE TO ENDURE? JAMES 1:12 BLESSED IS THE MAN THAT ENDURES TEMPTATION FOR WHEN HE IS TRIED HE SHALL RECEIVE THE CROWN OF LIFE WHICH THE LORD HAS PROMISED TO THEM THAT LOVE HIM (JOHN 14:15, If you love me, keep my commandments). MATTHEW 26:41, Watch and pray, that you enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. MARK 13:33 Take you heed, watch and pray: for you know not when the time is. LUKE 21: 34-26 [34], And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come on you unawares. [35], For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. [36], Watch you therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. MATTHEW 6:9-13 [9], After this manner therefore pray you: Our Father which are in heaven, Hallowed be your name. [10], Your kingdom come, Your will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. [11], Give us this day our daily bread. [12], And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. [13], And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For your is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. LUKE 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. LUKE 22:40 And when he was at the place, he said to them, Pray that you enter not into temptation. 1CORINTHIANS 10:13 There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it. 1 TIMOTHY 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. wait for it..... JAMES 1:12 Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him. WHO ARE THOSE WHO RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE? REVELATION 2:26 And he that overcomes, and keeps my works to the end, to him will I give power over the nations: REVELATION 3:5 He that overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. REVELATION 3:12 Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God: and I will write on him my new name. REVELATION 3:21 To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. REVELATION 21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 1 TIMOTHY 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto you are also called, and have professed a good profession before many witnesses. 2 TIMOTHY 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith It is only those who endure temptation to the end and over come sin (breaking God's Commandments) through faith in God's Word that do not fall away from believing and following God's Word that receive eternal life. ............. QUESTIONS: 1. CAN WE FALL AWAY FROM BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING GOD'S WORD TO BECOME UNBELIVERS AND NO LONGER BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD? 2. ARE WE IN A SAVED STATE BEFORE GOD OR AN UNSAVED STATE BEFORE GOD IF WE ARE LIVING IN A LIFE OF KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN? God bless.
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