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  1. If Genesis is allegory and Adam wasn’t a real person, tear the gospel of Luke out of the Bible. Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, 24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph, 25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge, 26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda, 27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri, 28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, 29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, 30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim, 31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, 32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson, 33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda, 34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor, 35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, 36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, 37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan, 38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
  2. James 2:19 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Matt, 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.” Christ is suggesting there is a proper response above, not just the knowledge, but a following, trust and obedience. Of course it is god who calls us, “Many are called, few are chosen.” We know Satan believes. He was in the garden, he was in good standing until he chose not to submit. He was in heaven chatting with God in; Job, 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” 8The LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.” 9Then Satan answered the LORD, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10“Have You not made a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? 7Then Satan went out from the presence ( Face ) of the LORD and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head. with prep in front of, before, to the front of, in the presence of, in the face of, at the face or front of, from the presence of, from before, from before the face of
  3. islandrazor

    Expel the immoral brother.

    An older post I see. Hope it was resolved satisfactorily. And if your brother sins, go and reprove him in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every fact may be confirmed. And if he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax-gatherer. Matthew 18:15-17
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    That's a lot of good reading Origen, I scanned it quickly and will do a more thorough job later. It appears to show health reasons for not completely legalizing pot, though I believe that horse has left the barn. Interestingly enough, other birth weight it didn't seem to have much impact on children born to smoking mothers. Impact on mental health is iffy. This one I had to copy; There is moderate evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and: The impairment in the cognitive domains of learning, memory, and attention (acute cannabis use) (11-1a) There is limited evidence of a statistical association between cannabis use and: Impaired academic achievement and education outcomes (11-2) Increased rates of unemployment and/or low income (11-3) Impaired social functioning or engagement in developmentally appropriate social roles (11-4) There is limited evidence of a statistical association between sustained abstinence from cannabis use and: Impairments in the cognitive domains of learning, memory, and attention (11-1b) Major depressive disorder is a risk factor for the development of problem cannabis use I'll get back to it tomorrow. Thanks for the info again. Knowledge is good. Feeling and opinions... ehh.. I suspect most people will do what they want regardless of the the information. Perhaps pick and choose which parts to ignore and which to emphasize.
  5. After all the fear mongering and frenetic running in circles, The sky will fall on "Womens rights" if Kavanaugh is confirmed hoopla, The sun still shines on Planned Parenthood.
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    This is part of what I've found regarding federal law. Conveniently slipped inside a major budgetary spending bill meant to prevent the government from shutting down is an earmarked section that lifts the federal ban on medical marijuana. How tricky. Excerpt of bill H.R. 83 text reads as: “Sec. 538. None of the funds made available in this Act to the Department of Justice may be used, with respect to the States of Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, Vermont, Washington, and Wisconsin, to prevent such States from implementing their own State laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana. Sec. 539. None of the funds made available by this Act may be used in contravention of section 7606 (“Legitimacy of Industrial Hemp Research”) of the Agricultural Act of 2014 (Public Law 113-79) by the Department of Justice or the Drug Enforcement Administration.” The Obama administration said they would be not interfere in states medical marijuana laws — which in effect prevented federal agents from going after legal medical pot shops in a de facto manner. But now it is written law. This means that states with medical marijuana laws don’t have to be fearful of federal agents raiding and shutting down legal dispensaries http://nationalpainreport.com/congress-quietly-ends-federal-ban-on-medical-marijuana-8828775.html Shown Here: Introduced in House (02/27/2017) Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2017 This bill amends the Controlled Substances Act to provide that the Act's regulatory controls and administrative, civil, and criminal penalties do not apply to with respect to marijuana. It removes marijuana and tetrahydrocannabinols from schedule I. (A schedule I controlled substance is a drug, substance, or chemical that: has a high potential for abuse; has no currently accepted medical value; and is subject to regulatory controls and administrative, civil, and criminal penalties under the Controlled Substances Act.) Additionally, it eliminates criminal penalties for an individual who imports, exports, manufactures, distributes, or possesses with intent to distribute marijuana. The bill does, however, make it a crime to knowingly ship or transport marijuana into a state where its receipt, possession, or sale is prohibited. A violator is subject to criminal penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to one year, or both. H.R.1227 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2017 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress WWW.CONGRESS.GOV Summary of H.R.1227 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2017 I don’t smoke,so no dog in this fight. It is legal in this and increasingly more states who see an opportunity. I'm not sure the, "It's against the law" argument really holds water anymore.
  7. islandrazor


    The drugs I suspect were largely abuse as was the food, alcohol and tobacco. My point was Federal approval is no indicator of safe nor harmful effects. My primary argument was as follows: Gen 1:29 Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30 and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31 God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. God seems to think it is all good. However.... As man discovers, understands, manipulates and consumes more of Gods’ creation, we don’t always comprehend all the ramifications of use, over use, abuse and improper chemical combinations.
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    Romans 14:13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this—not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother’s way. 14I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. 16Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; 17for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Matt, 15:10 After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand. 11“It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man. 15Peter said to Him, “Explain the parable to us.” 16Jesus said, “Are you still lacking in understanding also? 17“Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated? 18“But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19“For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20“These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.” Acts, 10:10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11and he saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky. 1 Cor 10:23 All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify. 24Let no one seek his own good, but that of his neighbor. 25Eat anything that is sold in the meat market without asking questions for conscience’ sake; 26FOR THE EARTH IS THE LORD’S, AND ALL IT CONTAINS. 27If one of the unbelievers invites you and you want to go, eat anything that is set before you without asking questions for conscience’ sake. 28But if anyone says to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake; 29I mean not your own conscience, but the other man’s; for why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? 30If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? 31Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. Federal Law? Prescription drugs are now killing far more people than illegal drugs, and while most major causes of preventable deaths are declining, those from prescription drug use are increasing, an analysis of recently released data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) by the Los Angeles Times revealed. The Times analysis of 2009 death statistics, the most recent available, showed: For the first time ever in the US, more people were killed by drugs than motor vehicle accidents 37,485 people died from drugs, a rate fueled by overdoses on prescription pain and anxiety medications, versus 36,284 from traffic accidents Drug fatalities more than doubled among teens and young adults between 2000 and 2008, and more than tripled among people aged 50 to 69 Again, these drug-induced fatalities are not being driven by illegal street drugs; the analysis found that the most commonly abused prescription drugs like OxyContin, Vicodin, Xanax and Soma now cause more deaths than heroin and cocaine combined. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/10/26/prescription-drugs-number-one-cause-preventable-death-in-us.aspx Alcohol is responsible for about 88,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to a new government report on the toll of excessive drinking. https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-alcohol-related-deaths-years-lost-sxsw-20140313-story.html According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic https://www.wvdhhr.org/bph/oehp/obesity/mortality.htm Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the U.S., causing over 438,000 deaths per year. Secondhand smoke is a serious health hazard for people of all ages, causing more than 41,000 deaths each year. https://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects.html In Christ
  9. islandrazor


    Stay strong Kate. Humans are a messy bunch. Look to God, not them. We all make mistakes and we all have moments of feeling isolated. I've been working on writing a new song, it starts like this: Oh love of mine Wind scattered seed in the fields of time You have heard my Spirit whispering Oh dear friend of mine You've tasted the vision of future time When I will carry you to your home This illusion of life in a desperate land, mirage in a desert storm Take my hand and hear my voice Oh love of mine The groom is preparing for His dear bride And I will carry you to our home ---------------- I'm not finished with it yet........ You didn't used to be born again, you are. Life is a boot camp, good times, crummy times, we're strangers on earth, our home is with God so we keep our eye on the prize. Don't let puny humans dissuade you or cause you to turn your eyes from God. You have brothers and sisters here. 1 Cor 10:13 No temptation has overtaken you but such as is common to man; and God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will provide the way of escape also, so that you will be able to endure it. May you be aware and confidant in God's love and presence in your life in this time of desperate challenge. Looking forward, In Christ
  10. islandrazor

    KJVOnly: Words deleted?

    I’m not sure. I thought I saw a caution on copy/paste material some time back. I have several bible apps and all offer the KJV free and mention copyright protection on other versions. Not that it seems to matter much and material on this forum may be considered to be for educational use.
  11. Jonah is interesting, his close relationship with God convinced him that God would forgive. His pride wouldn't allow him to play the fool and be shown wrong, again. Jon 4:2 So he prayed to the LORD, and said, “Ah, LORD, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish; for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm. So then he pouts like a child; Jon 4:3 “Therefore now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live!” What's up Joe, why are you so ticked off? Then the LORD said, “Is it right for you to be angry?” Ahh, I love this story, let's just read it. So Jonah went out of the city and sat on the east side of the city. There he made himself a shelter and sat under it in the shade, till he might see what would become of the city. And the LORD God prepared a plant[fn] and made it come up over Jonah, that it might be shade for his head to deliver him from his misery. So Jonah was very grateful for the plant. But as morning dawned the next day God prepared a worm, and it so damaged the plant that it withered. And it happened, when the sun arose, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat on Jonah’s head, so that he grew faint. Then he wished death for himself, and said, “It is better for me to die than to live.” Then God said to Jonah, “Is it right for you to be angry about the plant?” And he said, “It is right for me to be angry, even to death!” But the LORD said, “You have had pity on the plant for which you have not labored, nor made it grow, which came up in a night and perished in a night. “And should I not pity Nineveh, that great city, in which are more than one hundred and twenty thousand persons who cannot discern between their right hand and their left—and much livestock?” You are correct, God used this to teach Jonah and I think more importantly us that His mercy endures. And, our preconceptions, our pinhole viewpoint can't fathom His heart and expanse.. . Somehow Elijah comes to mind, 1Ki 19:14 And he said, “I have been very zealous for the LORD God of hosts; because the children of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars, and killed Your prophets with the sword. I alone am left; and they seek to take my life.” 1Ki 19:18 “Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose knees have not bowed to Baal, and every mouth that has not kissed him.” God knows those that are His and, those that will be. In Christ Phl 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.
  12. islandrazor

    All I want to do is to kill it

    A mere 48 hours. I'll still swat them. Get your point though. Evanescent
  13. islandrazor

    KJVOnly: Words deleted?

    I grew up with the KJV, still read it first, then compare with some other versions. Then it's over to the Strongs if greater clarification is desired. Plus it is free from copyright in the US. It seemed difficult in my youth, now it's an old friend. I've come to realize that the good news for salvation can be reduced to one small letter. Mans litigious mind and desire to create a little wiggle room and latitude regarding sin and guilt required further clarification. The truth is simple, Love your neighbor as yourself. Love God. Then man hedges: Is it really sex if we don’t engage in coitus? But, I intended to return it. It was just one bite. Who is my neighbor? Sure I’ll follow you, just let me go and finish this other thing up. But I was born in the wrong body. It was just a little lie. God made us with certain needs, I’m sure He’ll understand. We are to study to show ourselves approved. If our hearts desire is to live closer to God we don’t make excuses, our responses are correct, our worship is with a clear conscience. I’ve also found that the truth alone won’t save everyone. It’s our presentation, our life, our light, our example. If we can’t find a way to convey truth in a way that another can accept the is less hope for a positive response. Straight is the way and narrow is the gate…. He that has ears to hear, let him hear…. Many are called but few are chosen…. I haven’t found my walk with God to be one that has required time set aside, it’s more of a presence, walking, talking, being aware that He is here. The kingdom of God is within. So whichever version you prefer, it is God’s Spirit that will teach you if your heart is open. Gods’ Spirit will call you, your desire will impel you to seek a closer relationship and greater knowledge that you may “Rightly divide the word of truth.” Eph, 4:13 Until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. In Christ
  14. Thanks William, Just had to paste this whole section. Here is something even more fearful in Romans, 1:32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them... 1 Cor, 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. ( Fornication seems to have an additional classification. ) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. In Christ
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    Yup, Room for his dog Or...

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