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  1. For those of us who don’t like to read much, I have provided a very short summary of God’s warnings to born-again believers, one from each of the NT writers ... Jesus … “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death (eternal death).” (Revelation 21:7-8) • Born-again believers who are habitual sinners are in this group of the condemned! God does not condemn unbelievers and let believers who do the same things go free. Cowardly born-again believers are those who will fall away during the persecution of Christians, and/or will submit to taking the deadly mark of the beast. Paul … “… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16) • Born-again believers who are habitual sinners are headed for hell! The writer of Hebrews … “But we are not like those (unfaithful) who turn away from God to their own destruction (eternal death). We are the faithful ones, whose souls will be saved.” (Hebrews 10:39) • Born-again believers who do not remain faithful (followers of Jesus who obey Him) are headed for hell … and the writer obviously has no idea who will ultimately remain faithful to the end! James … “Then when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full grown, brings forth (eternal) death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16) • Born-again believers are warned to not be deceived: sin leads to eternal death! Peter … “… you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time … you have been grieved by various trials, that the genuineness of your faith … though it is tested by fire, may be found to (be worthy of) praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ … receiving the end of your faith – the salvation of your souls.” (1 Peter 1:5-9) • Born-again believers who overcome their trials and testings will receive salvation! James warns (above) about one of these testings, which is giving in to sin! John … “In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not (continue to) practice righteousness is not of God” (1 John 3:10) • Born-again believers who do not practice righteousness belong to the devil! Jude … “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.” (Jude 20-21) • Born-again believers need to keep themselves acceptable to God! Rebellious and disobedient habitual sinners are not acceptable to God. Hopefully, I haven’t left anyone out. And please don’t get all excited, if I left out one of your favorite verses. • • • Born-again believers have been given a new nature for the express purpose of setting them free from being slaves of sin … they are now able to NOT sin. Plus, the precious indwelling Holy Spirit helps the believer to be an overcomer.
  2. This has nothing at all to do with my post. You are in deep deep spiritual trouble. And I'll take my leave,
  3. Receiving the Spirit is NOT a guarantee of finally receiving eternal life. Man's co-operation is required, as it was all throughout Scripture. "You will know them by their fruits" is NOT referring to believers insisting they are saved and habitually sinning w/o repentance. If this disastrous condition is NOT rectified, they receive NO eternal life. Paul must have meant NO salvation by works w/o faith. I see saving faith being mucho more than today's churches teach. Where should I have posted this thread? Thanks.
  4. The Kingdom of heaven is headed by Jesus Christ for the purpose of re-establishing the Kingdom of God over this rebellious part of God’s realm. It is a dispensational term referring to Messiah’s Kingdom on earth. The parables of the Kingdom apply to this age. At the end of this age, Christ will come and set up a literal earthly Kingdom forever. (from the famous “Dake’s Annotated Reference Bible”) The parables of the hidden treasure (Matt 13:44) and the pearl of great price (Matt 13:45-46) teach us that the Kingdom of heaven is only for those who perceive its immeasurable value and are willing to sacrifice everything else to acquire it. The Kingdom of heaven encompasses Christ and all that He offers – eternal life and unending blessings. The glorious freedom from sin and the unending blessings of eternal life far outweigh anything that costs us in this life. “I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish that I may gain Christ.” Paul (above) was glad to give it all up for the Kingdom. That is the nature of saving faith. True faith produces a heart that is humble, submissive, and obedient. This is the inevitable expression of the new nature (2 Cor 5:17) of the born-again person! (from “The Gospel According to Jesus” by John MacArthur, Zondervan, 1994) “Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?” … “if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments.” … Then Jesus said to His disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is very hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of heaven. I’ll say it again -- it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!” The disciples were astounded, “Then who in the world can be saved?”, they asked.” (Matthew 19:16-25, NLT) … Obviously, entering the 2 Kingdoms is analogous to entering eternal life. “And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It’s better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell …” (Mark 9:47, NLT) … Entering the Kingdom of God is the opposite of being cast into hell. “Come, you (the righteous) who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. For I was hungry, and you fed me, etc. (But to others …) when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me. And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.” (Matt 25:34-46, NLT) … Inheriting the Kingdom is only for the righteous, who gain eternal life. Therefore … Entering or inheriting the Kingdom of God/heaven is analogous to gaining eternal life. Obvious disqualifications from inheriting the Kingdom of God “All who are victorious (overcomers) will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be My children. But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshippers, and all liars – their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” (Revelation 21:7-8, NLT) … The above passage proves that practicing sinners will NOT inherit heaven. Who are the victorious overcomers? “Those who are victorious (overcomers) will sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat with my Father on his throne.” (Revelation 3:21, NLT) And these passages confirm that all practicing sinners will NOT inherit heaven … • “Don’t you realize that those who do wrong (the unrighteous) will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people – none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.” (1 Cor 6:9-10, NLT) • “When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, the results are very clear: sexual immorality, impurity, lustful pleasures, idolatry, sorcery, hostility, quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissension, division, envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and other sins like these. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.” (Galatians 5:19-21, NLT) • “Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity, or greed among you. Such sins have no place among God’s people. Obscene stories, foolish talk, and coarse jokes – these are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God. You can be sure that no immoral, impure, or greedy person will inherit the Kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world. Don’t be fooled by those who try to excuse these sins, for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him.” (Ephesians 5:3-6, NLT) +++ Please take note of this last sentence!
  5. No wonder this forum is dead. My thread was rejected and not posted.
  6. Hi William, IMO, in the OT the holy Spirit came UPON God's prophet, king, etc. and very rarely INSIDE. In the NT, of course, He comes INSIDE, except for the baptism with the Holy Spirit He comes UPON, but both can be simultaneously received. In the NT, except for Jesus, man first received the Holy Spirit INSIDE in John 20. In the OT, Jewish believers had their sins covered with the blood of animal sacrifices. In the NT, all believers have their sins covered with the blood of Jesus ... both at the time of receiving the Spirit and later when they repent of sins (1 John 1:7-9). I have a huge stack of verses, which say man is totally incapable of believing in Jesus and His gospel ... unless God gives him the gift of faith (but not the super one in 1 Cor 12). FAITH ... we need to determine exactly what that entails, don't we? IMO, to really truly believe refers to belief-faith-trust-obedience. All for now, blessings to you!
  7. If this sin was not restricted to only that time frame, i.e. before the arrival of the Holy Spirit indwelling believers. Otherwise, we have another one ... the taking of Satan's mark of the beast. Try repenting of this!
  8. Hi Therese, thanks for the history lesson. I've had experience with the EEO in Eastern Europe where I was called to evangelize. Now, I'm evangelizing you guys! lol They exhibited quite a lot of hatred for the evangelicals, which Jesus sent after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1990. Why would Jesus send so many evangelicals to Eastern Europe at that time ... if the EEO was doing such a great job? Again, I hope that no offence is taken.
  9. From the beginning of the church until the end, it was supposed to be thus and so: The baptism with the Holy Spirit (with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues) was to be a pre-requisite for being chosen to be a part of the 5-fold ministry … Ephesians 4:11 -- apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher. This baptism also was (more than generally) a pre-requisite for receiving one or more of the 9 spiritual power gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12:1-11. All of the above was how God used the early church to successfully evangelize wherever they went (as described in the Book of Acts). If God’s method (the truth of the gospel being confirmed by signs and wonders) had been utilized, the whole world would have been converted many years ago! Notwithstanding the considerable negative disruptions of Satan and his demons. However, men who desired to be church leaders (but who were not chosen by God) got in the way of God’s perfect will … yes, Martha, God did not kill them off. And we won’t get into all of the many reasons why they sh_t-canned God’s will. Too embarrassing! … And so ths was the beginning of the RCC and EOC. The RCC’s primary focus has always been on the crucifixion of Christ. The EOC’s primary focus has always been on the resurrection of Christ. And I have been told that this is the main reason why they split. A quick explanation of the 4 different Christian baptisms: • Baptism into the church (salvation); the Holy Spirit is the baptizer ---- 7 verses say the Holy Spirit takes up residence INSIDE the believer) • Baptism in water (symbolic demonstration of faith); man is the baptizer • Baptism with the Holy Spirit (mostly power for ministry); Jesus is the baptizer ---- 7 verses say that for this baptism the Holy Spirit comes UPON the believer) • Baptism with fire (extreme suffering for the gospel’s sake); Jesus is the baptizer
  10. You have a correct revelation of spiritual Truth about the believer's ability to exercise his/her free will to NOT obey the new covenant. The following false doctrines will cause multitudes of Spirit-indwelt believers to fall away from the faith and lose their salvation ... OSAS, grace-only, pre-trib rapture, taking the mark of the beast. This is a warning!
  11. It has always seemed to me that all born-again believers were “called” to be such. But the NT warns of believers losing eternal life, gaining eternal death, being shut out of entering the kingdom of heaven, etc. So obviously, the following passage has been a thorn in my side of understanding … Romans 8:28-30 • “And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.” However, IMO, many born-again believers who were called were later NOT chosen … because they proved to NOT be obedient believers, and thus NOT worthy believers! Matthew 22:14 • “For many are called, but few are chosen.” “The gospel of Christ is preached to all men, and many hear Christ’s call. They come at first. They say Christ’s gospel is pleasing. They may agree with it. But in their hearts they do not fully give their lives to Christ … they are not prepared to be servants of Christ. They are not chosen. Christ’s servants must be chosen (John 15:16).” (The Applied New Testament Commentary -- Thomas Hale, 1996, ChariotVictor Publishing) IMO, there is a special subset group of those whom God has called. These special called ones actually love Jesus enough to be obedient to Him! They are ”those who love God … those who are the called according to His purpose”. Jesus says those who love Him will keep (obey) His commandments … John 14:15-17 • “If you love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth … for He dwells with you and will be in you.” John 14:21-24 • “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him ... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words …” Questions: 1 -- Does anyone get to heaven who does not love Jesus? 2 -- Does anyone get to heaven who does not keep His commandments? 3 -- Does the believer who is a “non-keeper” continue to have the indwelling Holy Spirit? 1 John 2:3-5 • “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him”, and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.” 1 John 3:24 • “Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.” John 15:6 “If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.” Questions: 4 -- Should believers who are “non-keepers” be considered to be “in Christ”? 5 -- Do “non-keeper” believers, who do not abide in Jesus, lose their salvation? More NT Scriptures about the necessity of obedience Matthew 19:17 • “But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Luke 8:21 • “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Romans 6:16-19 • “… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” Hebrews 3:18 • “… they would not enter His rest … those who did not obey” Hebrews 5:9 • “… He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” James 1:21-22 • “… be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.” 1 Peter 1:22 • “… you have purified your souls in obeying the truth …” Question: 6 -- When believers who habitually sin finally return to God by sincerely repenting of their sins, and beginning (again perhaps) a life of obedience, does the Holy Spirit return to them? Are they back abiding “in Christ” again?
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