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  1. You seem to judge half of Christianity, Catholics, who comprise over 1 billion believers. And I don't have understanding? And you would trash them all in Your Apostate Box and send them off to the Abyss, a narrow judgment based on your assessment of essentials. That is the essential, the only essential that He requires. Believing that He died for our sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures, is the essential belief. And YOU would invalidate a billion Christians based on your judgment and other divisive groups in history. Here are some of the scriptures I carry in my "paper bag" ... I'll share them with you so you can carry them in yours! They all state the same principal. Some like to add to it. Believing in Jesus is the essential belief: "but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name." Mark 11:24 Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." Mark 9:23 And Jesus said to him, " 'If You can?' All things are possible to him who believes." Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. James 2:19 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 2 Corinthians 4:13 "This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us." Romans 10:11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." John 14:1 "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;" John 6:29 Jesus said to her, "Did I not say to you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?" Mark 5:36 "But Jesus, overhearing what was being spoken, said to the synagogue official, 'Do not be afraid any longer, only believe.' " 1 Peter 1:8 "and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory," Romans 10:10 "for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation." Matthew 18:19 "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." 2 Thessalonians 2:11 "and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." James 1:6 "But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind." John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him." Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. 2 Corinthians 5:7 "while we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen; for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal." Romans 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Luke 1:45 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. Believing In God John 6:44;6;5 "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name," John 1:12 >>>Why don't you take a few of these scriptures, wait outside a Catholic Church _ just pick anyone _ and ask them if they agree are in agreement??? I charge you! I am aware of their history, selling indulgences ... hence God sent correction. But He did not condemn them as you do. I would like you to make a Covenant with God right now. If Catholics (Roman Catholics and all Catholics that use that name for their church and identify themselves as such), are NOT APOSTATE and you don't realize that until you see the current billion plus of them in heaven and all of them in history that you put in your Apostate Box, YOU will apologize to each and everyone of them for such condemnations that were false! That will keep you busy for awhile. Let's go further and why not withhold any rewards in heaven and joy until you finish? How about it? I doubt you you would. Isn't that against FORUM rules - TO CLAIM SOMEONE IS NOT A CHRISTIAN? Apparently, if I wasn't a Protestant, you would put me in that box of yours with all the other Apostates. I have been a Christian since 1991, baptized in Christ, born again of the Holy Spirit. And YOU, because I rubbed you wrong, attack me in such a vile way. We are saved by grace through faith alone, not by works so that none can boast. This is a fact, a truth and if someone doesn't understand it, it doesn't necessarily VOID THEIR FAITH IN CHRIST! They have faith and lean on what James said -- show me your works ... "Faith without works is dead." They don't get that the Holy Spirit is the one doing the works through them. They think that it is their own efforts. Understanding the works of the Holy Spirit, the thoughts and guidance He gives us are not easily distinguishable to many. Many Christians don't get that deep, they just believe. I am in agreement with all scripture. False prophets lead people away from Christ. Does the Pope do that? do Catholic priests who study and devote and sacrifice their lives fall into that category? Any who fall away, were never saved to begin with. They were like seed planted in shallow or rocky soil. They weren't real believers, born again of the Spirit. If their heads are put on the chopping block, they would denounce the Lord to save their necks.
  2. I stand firm on my statement, the Catholic (universal) Church, with all its flaws carried the Gospel for a 1000+ years before God sent correction. They are not an apostate church. I consider Catholics brothers and sisters in Christ. They still carry the gospel. It isn't that difficult, it's one sentence - hard to foul up: "Jesus died for our sins and rose on the third day according to the scriptures". Jesus said, " If you believe in Me, you will be saved". He didn't say you must have all the doctrine correct ... Or else! That is what qualifies us, belief in Jesus. The truth is, most of us are all flawed theologians (you and I as well). There are over a billion Catholics and you would consider them apostate? How judgmental. Are you being filled with the Holy Spirit when you say that??? It sounds like the Pharisee's condemnation against Jesus. Do you know what apostate means? One who would denounce their faith in Jesus. IN other words, it means against Christ. So I suppose all the art work, statues, stained glass windows and the Sistine Chapel are reflections of people denouncing and against Christ? So I suppose you think hundreds of millions of Catholics get together every Sunday because they are denouncing Christ? Really? That sounds wacko to me. Praying to Mary is not against the Trinity, it's an empty prayer, since she doesn't hear them. Even if she did, she has no special clout to mediate prayers to the Father. JESUS IS OUR MEDIATOR. IN their mind they are asking Mary to pray for them, for help, thinking she can pass it along to her Son - they don't worship her. People ask others to pray for them. Some may have believed if Billy Graham prayed for them it would somehow be more effective then anyone else's prayer - not so. They pray to the Father with the Lord's prayer - I suppose that is an apostate prayer? And btw, my comment about reading the Bible and having faith was in reference to the Jehovah WITNESSES and the Mormons.
  3. They believe Jesus died for their sins and rose on the third day. I agree that they distort who He is in some ways, but they read the Bible, believe what He did and obey Him as much as any of us. Catholics don't worship Mary, they pray to her for intercession and to the Saints as well. Empty prayers - true, but they also pray directly to our Father. You should not judge them all, you are not qualified, nor were you appointed to be judge. Judge not lest you be judged. The Catholics carried the gospel for a long time before Protestants came along. All the churches, hospitals, orphanages, all the missions they began did not go out void. Be careful!
  4. I am a Trinitarian. However, I do believe that a person can believe that Jesus was sent by God, His Father, to die for our sins and that He rose on the third day with a simple and basic understanding and awareness. First, second or tenth century Christians did not fully understand concepts of the Trinity. Do you really think for the first 1500 years, before the Bible was in print, that people had the in depth knowledge and understanding as people do today? We have several Bible versions, study bibles, concordance, Greek lexicons, thousands of commentaries, preachers giving sermons on the radio and TV all day long ... we are fortunate, learned and I believe much more knowledgeable than the average Christian back then. Yet they had faith, based on little knowledge and understanding. They believed and were saved. They also made mistakes about their theology. Look at the letters to the seven churches - only two were in good standing, the rest needed to repent on many counts. Some taught false doctrines, some were almost dead churches with few believers, and sinful. The point is, a child can understand the basics and have faith in Christ. Ask Him to explain the Trinity and he would probably fail. He/she believes in Jesus, follows Jesus and begins to grow in Christ. Jehovah Witnesses believe in Jesus, follow and obey Him. They do not understand the nature of the Comforter, the Helper. They believe the Father is above Jesus and therefore worship Him. Does that void their faith in Christ? They believe in and obey Christ - yet are misinformed about His nature. HE prayed to His Father, He said, His Father is greater and referred to Him as My God and your God. That is true, but it is not complete. So what then. I'll tell you, God saves them, is merciful, but doesn't grow their Church. In 100 years they only have 8.5 million and Mormons 15 million. The Mormons believe in Jesus and they have additional books and stories, conflicting with the Bible, but I think their saving grace is that they believe in the Bible. Do those other books invalidate their faith in Christ? There are about a 100 million non-Trinitarian believers out of 2.5 billion. They believe in Christ, that He died for their sins, that He rose on the third day - which is the gospel btw. Finally, Catholics are Christians, THEY BELIEVE IN CHRIST They are wrong about certain doctrines, which is why Luther came along, but their faith is not made void. The Holy Spirit worked in and through them for a thousand years and still does! I suppose you invalidate all those Catholics as being saved? We are all flawed in our understanding in one way or another. GOD FACTORS ALL ARE FLAWS INTO HIS PERFECT PLAN.
  5. God is sovereign, He knew what would happen. Questions: The Garden was perfect physically. But how perfect can an environment be with the potential of evil present? That the tree was there and Satan to tempt Eve to open the door to the knowledge of evil was putting them in harms way - wasn't it? But wait, the tree wasn't just the door/path to the knowledge of evil, it was also the door path to the knowledge of good. We cannot know, understand or appreciate the love of God and everything that is good unless we learn what it is like to be without it. We need to experience the opposite. We could not know what faith, forgiveness, mercy, love, joy, peace, the light or any of the attributes of God until we experience all the various kinds of evils. This was a perfect plan that God ordained. I know you've heard differently. So, now we know good and evil. And God had a plan before the foundation of the earth did He not? A solution. Jesus demonstrated the greatest act of love in His suffering and death. It was part of the plan.
  6. "By their fruit, you will know them." The fruit of the Spirit ... Gal. 5:22, 23 You will see people loving one another among Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims or atheists. You will also see people of honorable godly attributes, such as we see in the list of the fruit is the Spirit. But they can't honestly say Jesus is Lord unless they have the Spirit if God in them. We can look at their works, if their confession is not honest. The Spirit produces fruit in the believer, those are the works In referring to. But then what of those who produce fruit, who aren't Christian? That is puzzling. My father was one who appeared to be a Christian, who exhibited fruit, yet most of his life claimed to be an atheist. A couple years before he died, he made his peace and believed. So, he was on God's list to be saved and in God's domain, who functions outside of time, my Dad was already saved - but not yet in ours. What dies that mean? He was guiding him, preparing him, loving him all along. You see, he was brought up in a Catholic family, who all believed, his parents and all seven sisters. Nit when he was ten, his Dad got a life threatening illness, TB. He got in his knees and prayed for his life -- God said NO. So my Dad lost his faith ... he was broken and angry, so fell away. Well, God did not forget him. We never know who is on his list, who is a Christian or whose heart is being prepared.
  7. Living quietly, aspiring to my own matter ... Ah, that's peaceful. And the working with my hands sounds agreeable, I guess I'll get back to playing guitar. Thanks, I needed that.
  8. @Ronald Good post, I agree. Let me point out some other things as well. Many churches encourage evangelism. Nothing wrong with that. I've participated in an Evangelistic Church group at a college campass or the Pier at Manhattan Beach to hand out tracts and witness to all who are willing to listen. Btw, I'm not in California any more but Manhattan Beach is a rich neighborhood, many beach areas are and so the rich are a difficult challenge. I do believe in the gift of evangelism and not all have it ( see Ephesians 4:11). I don't have that gift. It seemed the associate pastor was equipped, knowledgeable of the WORD and very capable in apologetics - but he wasn't bringing any lost souls into the fold? I wasn't either, although I could readily defend my faith and share it. The location was tough and I thought of the rich man, in need of nothing. They are partying at 11AM on the weekends at those beach pubs and the guy standing on the stool in the middle of the square preaching is laughed at, or at best they are just shaking their heads. Maybe the poor or middle class would respond better - it's easier, then off to a different neighborhood. I just don't hand out tracts anymore - should I? I just feel in God sends me someone, one person and that person is open, then I'm all in. Otherwise I don't have the patience.
  9. Good post, I agree. Let me point out some other things as well. Many churches encourage evangelism. Nothing wrong with that. I've participated in Merton a group at a college campass or the Pier at Manhattan Beach to hand out tracts and witness to all who are willing to listen. Btw, I'm not in California any more but Manhattan Beach is a rich neighborhood, many beach areas are and so the rich are a difficult challenge. I do believe in the gift of evangelism and not all have it ( see Ephesians 4:11). It seemed the associate pastor was equipped, knowledgeable of the WORD able very capable in apologetics - but he wasn't bringing any list souls into the fold? I wasn't either, although I could readily defend my faith and share it. The location was tough and I thought of the rich man, in need of nothing. Maybe the poor or middle class would respond better - it's easier. But I just don't hand out tracts anymore - should I?
  10. Oops, I'm new to this forum --- this is an old post, even though ... the same Left Wing agenda is perpetuated.
  11. No, quite the contrary. Probably a staunch 30% want this impeachment to happen and that number is slowly declining. The Left Wing Media has been manufacturing fake news and hatred and a small portion are digesting it. If so many things against Trump were real, he would be gone. The reality is that the Left are threatened that their agenda is getting pushed aside and dismantled. They hate the Constitution, our history, capitalism, and Trump stands firm alongside these pillars. They want Globalism/socialism and Americans (the majority), do not. The Dems are turning away from their candidates, who have no hopeful message, just negativity. We are enjoying a good economy, low unemployment, the state of the union is STRONG. Rational people will see the a reckless and futile path of their party and whether they like Trump or not, there is not much choice. Bernie pushes socialism like Denmark. Norway just collapsed because of their failed socialist system and Denmark will follow. Look at Venezuela - they used to be a thriving, prosperous nation and what did socialism do to them? Greece too. Bieden forgot what state he was campaigning in aside from many other senior moment gaffs. And then we have Warren, "Pocahontas". Cheering them on you have happy go lucky AOC. From Obama, whose legacy has almost been erased to Crooked Hillary to whomever, your side is panicked and defeated and so this is just another losing technique, attack, slander, impeach ... it's all futile!
  12. There is no implication between chapter 3 and 4, there is nothing! There is no implication in chapter 4 or 5 of the Church in heaven yet. I have learned many lessons for many years from the great teacher, John MacArthur. He got to be one of the best on the planet. However, there are some teachings that I disagree with and this teaching is one of them, that the Church has been raptured by chapter 4. He doesn't see the church in any other chapter as being persecuted during the GT period. The 144k Jews are sealed and as scripture implies, a 1/3 remnant of Jews are saved. If there are currently 14+ million Jews in the world, than 1/3 of them will be saved - that's not an innumerable number. John fails to mention (yes he ignores Rev.7:9, 14) : "After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb." Then the question was asked who this multitude was. Obviously, it was the Church. And scripture informs that they just came out of the Great Tribulation - meaning they were in it for some time than taken out. " ...These are they who have come out of the great tribulation, they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." This is the rapture. Since the events in the chapters of Revelation are not in chronological order, we can discern that Revelation is like a sphere of events, where the sphere is turned so that we can see the events from different vantage points. And so we also see the rapture in Rev. 11:15, AT THE SEVENTH TRUMPET. So many things happen at the seventh trumpet: 1. The mystery of God is revealed. (Rev. 10:7) 2. Christ appears and every eye sees Him. 3. The resurrection of the Church occurs. (1 Cor. 15:51-53, 1 Thes. 4:16, 17) 4. The kingdoms of the world have become the Lord's. 5. The dead are resurrected and judged. 7. We receive rewards. 8. The Temple of God is opened in heaven. (Rev. 11:19) 9. The Bowls of God's wrath in full are opened. This one flaw of MacArthur changes much of the meaning. He of course teaches the 70th week of Daniel, that no events precede the rapture and so all of Revelation 4-18 pertains to either the remnant Jews who will be saved but must be put through testing and the fire and of course the wrath against the ungodly. He goes on teaching chapter by chapter explaining and interpreting the things he understands but leaves out the order of events. If the Church is gone before chapter 4 and than the multitude in chapter 7 is the remnant Jews, who are the Two Witnesses evangelizing to in chapter 11 - if no one is left but the ungodly? And the Antichrist in Chapter 13 is ... wait a minute _ against who _ when the Church is gone??? You see this whole perspective of the Church not suffering any tribulation and being absent doesn't work. MacArthur fails to attempt to rectify that the events are not chronological nor does he recognize the different vantage points, the overlapping. He doesn't see the Church going through the first Six Trumpets, and fails to see the Seventh Trumpet as the Last -- as many do. I listened to MacArthur's Jet Tour a long time ago ( maybe 20 years) and I suspect he runs through it quickly because he doesn't completely understand it. It's like the Preterists depending on all the events being fulfilled before 70 A.D. resting on one assumption, that the book of Revelation was written before 70 A.D. To them it had to be or the whole view is false and that would prove all or most of the events to be future. Likewise, MacArthur rests on the Church being absent from Chapter 4 on, therefore his interpretation of the rest of it must support that view - hence the quick trip ... skipping over and skimming through important aspects of the book.
  13. Jesus, who is God is fulfilling prophesy, that He would rule as King in Jerusalem. The Jews throughout history looked for the Messiah, their Savior to do just that. To return, judge the ungodly and rule as King. They expected Him to do this upon His First Coming, but that was not His purpose. His Second Coming will fulfill the promise. Jesus gains His Bride, the Church at His Coming. He already has them in His time domain, spiritually. "Then the King will say to those oh his right, 'Come you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world." Matt. 25:34. At the sound of the Seventh Trumpet, " ...The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever." Rev. 11:15 When judgment is served, when sin and evil are removed from the earth, what come next? Peace, for 1000 years, paradise reborn. The lion, the wolf, the cobra will be at peace as well with man. "Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." Rev.20:6 The "second death" come after this when Satan is once again released for a while to deceive and is finally thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed. "They also said, 'Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven,'" Heb. 9:28 "Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the Earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen." Rev.1:7 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven ..." 1 Thes. 4:16
  14. Jesus is the narrow gate. He is the way ... same concept. "... No one comes to the Father but by Me." Every other way outside of Christ leads to destruction. Buddha, Mohammed, Krishna, any and all other so called spiritual guides, religions, philosophies, atheism, humanism, witchcraft, black magic, spiritism, IDOLS (including yourself), etc., ANY WAY OTHER THAN THROUGH CHRIST WILL LEAD TO DESTRUCTION.
  15. Mick, thanks for this. Rosh Hashanah includes the Feast of Trumpets. It is the civil new year, first month. But it is the seventh month of the Ecclesiastical/Biblical calendar. Whichever it is, it appears God or an angel blows the last trumpet as I have believed to be #7 (Rev.11:15) for many years. I was just asking the question: Is this the Last Trumpet?" Red Sky At Morning, Thanks for this. it was a very interesting view. He's sounds logical. Although I don't think he is any more scholarly than the rest of us. The idea that we should be looking for an event(s) is what signals His return. All eschatology points to events. However, as mentioned, events such as the Rev. 12:1 did happen, but it was a sign not a date. The blood moons came and I believe they were significant signs as well,. So we can know the season. That "the Lord blows the trumpet" I think if very key. That completely dislodges earthly trumpets blown by man. So any so called "Feast of Trumpets" during Rosh Hashanah or during the month of Nisan would include blowing of trumpets by man, not the Lord. Damascus along with many Islamic nations will be destroyed and I do believe Islam is the Beast, a group of ten Islamic nations that will come against Israel. Iran is the #1 terrorist funding state. The bad nuclear deal with them will be realized by all when they attack Israel with a nuke. We know the Bible says, all nations who come against Israel will be destroyed. Many cities will be destroyed. That this event will come first or an asteroid ... who knows. As far as Planet 9 goes, they haven't discovered it yet -- it's inferred based on elliptical movements of other objects out there. This is an interesting video and this guy seems pretty smart, yet I don't put my faith alongside astronomers, they seem to have the math in place without God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTlr9Se2DbE This video does put the previous accumulative ideas of Planet X in the trash, because he says they were based on erroneous data prior to 1993. Also the sensationalism tied to it, the idea that it is in our solar system now and that we'll be able to see has been disproved for the last few years. There have been fraudulent photos created to deceive people as well. Placable37, Revelation 18 is about the Fall of Babylon, the entire world system. The ancient city of Babylon was corrupt and God confused their language and so the people were dispersed throughout the world. Babylon is where all the false religions, cults, astrology, false philosophies such as humanism, etc., come from. It spread throughout the world and corrupted the world. Babylon is not Rome although Rome was referred to as Babylon, it was a product of Babylon as all the world powers were influenced by HER. So, I beg to disagree with you that the above scriptures pertain to Rome or the Catholic Church.
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