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Origen

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  1. If there was a covenant, one would expect to see covenant vocabulary. It is just not there. Also there is no reason if it was a covenant for the author not to use normal covenant vocabulary. I knew you would bring this up. See your NET Bible note.
  2. William I am going to chime in here if you don't mind. The case for the so called Adamic\Edenic covenant is questionable. The fact is normal covenant vocabulary isn't found before chapter 6. And without that vocabulary the case, in my opinion, cannot be supported.
  3. There are no scientific tests\experiments which can determine if a behavior is moral or not. It is not possible. It is outside the scope of science. Thus your point is moot.
  4. @Benji seems to believe that the term "first one" refers to "any of the covenants... ...made prior to the last one." @Ben Asher's point is that grammatically the term "first one" refers to only one covenant since it is singular not plural. The Greek verb (i.e. πεπαλαίωκεν) is also singular. Thus the term "first one" could not "means any of the covenants... ...made prior to the last one" as Benji claimed. One would expect plural forms if the author was referring to more than one covenant. Does that help Becky?
  5. I am very happy to hear that very good news. May God bless your mother and you.
  6. Your comment has been edited. We have similar rules here in regard to language. What seems insignificant to you might not be to someone else.
  7. Hello and welcome Amorette
  8. @Ben Asher I believe you ought to explain the "Messiah ben Joseph" (Messiah ben Ephraim) and "Messiah ben David" theological terminology and what it means. I don't think many here know anything about dual Messianism.
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