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  1. This article VII of your Westminster Confession says Christ was resurrected on Sunday. You are aware as some of us have argued here we believe He resurrected on Saturday evening. Even many Catholics agree that they are the reason for the Sabbath change. Some of their confessions are as follows: Roman Catholic Confessions James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers, 88th ed., pp. 89. "But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174. "Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? "Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority." John Laux, A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1 936), vol. 1, P. 51. "Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days." Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67. "Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days? "Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.' James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter. "Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer yes. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day -Saturday - for Sunday, the first day? I answer yes. Did Christ change the day'? I answer no! "Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons" The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893. "The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday." Catholic Virginian Oct. 3, 1947, p. 9, art. "To Tell You the Truth." "For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman Catholic] church outside the Bible." Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957), p. 50. "Question: Which is the Sabbath day? "Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. "Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? "Answer. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Martin J. Scott, Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927), p. 136. "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday." Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts: "1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man. "2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible." T. Enright, C.S.S.R., in a lecture at Hartford, Kansas, Feb. 18,1884. "I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says, 'Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.' The Catholic Church says: 'No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week.' And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in a reverent obedience to the command of the holy Catholic Church."
  2. What? Even after Ben Asher informed you that any self respecting Jew could figure out when his Shabbat was upon him, your persist with this silliness. This is an insult to Jewish intelligence. Many addressing Galatians 3:1-10 as annulling the law are taking it out of context. When quoting Galatians 3: Paul is speaking to them concerning some false teachings a few brought in. Here is the verse Gal. 2:4 "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"
  3. No offence on my part. I am glad to have you as a brother in Christ. We can stand together to keep the socialist from shutting our churches down and killing our free speech.
  4. Those of us that choose to honor the seventh day Sabbath do so not for salvation or for brownie points but we instead meditate on all of God's law and other scriptures (Psalms 1). Paul said all things are lawful but all things are not expedient. We choose to delight in the Sabbath and we don't really need your approval or opinion. So why are you going on about it so? Does it really bother you so much? Does our Sabbath keeping suggest that others are doing it wrong? Maybe so. Maybe we are wrong about it. Let us let God sort it out in His time. I can only share how the Spirit has led me. If I am listening to the wrong Spirit, it will be on me, won't it? I am still willing to call you brethren if you will let me.
  5. So tell me IchGin [sorry for the contraction], while you are keeping the spirit of God's Shabbat do you do so for salvation or because you delight in it and love God? Don't let anyone dissuade away from doing so. I believe you believe you are saved by grace [a gift from God]. Keeping God's law is just your reasonable service, right? So what are we all arguing over. Some of us keep God's law for God, and some of us don't for God. Whatever we do let us all do it for God. I personally try to keep the spirit of God's law but I find myself falling short too often. Thank God for grace.
  6. Yep, we get differing messages: on-again/off-again whether coffee and eggs are good for us. Right now, they say they are okay in moderation. Just like margarine to replace butter has now reverted. It seems science can't make up its mind. I think I will just be moderate in everything and ask God's blessing on it. I think the water some cities pass to us is dangerous. It tastes like that sometimes. Dangerous!
  7. Thanks William, I wasn't aware of this article. It completely makes sense.
  8. I was told this story many times, but I still don't see where fallen angels mated with humans. When scripture does not tell us something we are better not to assume. That is how all the wild stories come about. Let’s quit trying to limit God's power with demons running all amok. We have one instance where it seems to apply to angels: Job 38:4-7 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if you have understanding. Who set its measurements, if you know? Or who stretched the line upon it? Upon what were its foundations sunk? Or who laid its corner-stone, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?” Even that is almost poetic and may mean something other than what we believe. We also have a scripture where God does not call angels sons: Heb. 1:5 "For unto which of the angels said he at any time, thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?" Genesis 6 and Job 1 and 2 are the only places other than Job 38 where "sons of God" are even mentioned. I say it is a stretch to apply that to cherubim or seraphim. I did not try to interpret Job 38 about the singers, I just left it alone. It may be something out of the element of time which God is not subject to. So all our arguing about Gen. 6 and Job 1 & 2 is still nothing more than assumption. It also steals from the perception of God's power, which the spirit world knows well of. 2 Tim. 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
  9. Well that wasn't a prayer, it was a statement. We should all state our willingness for humility.
  10. Who makes the decision on what is proper? You rely on another's summation of scripture. If I have any faults on my interpretations, they are mine and mine alone. 1 John 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." I pray God keep me humble and ever seeking His truth.
  11. Yeah, I read that where you quoted a bunch of old Protestants on how they dismissed (not addressed) the scripture in Hebrews. Not interested.
  12. All that says is Matt. 11:28: Christ giving us rest. I would not call my spiritual life since coming to Christ "rest." If we have hope in this life only, we are most miserable (1 Cor. 15:19). Hebrews 4:8, 9 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God."
  13. Hello IG, I see you acknowledge the true Sabbath. You may get disillusioned, as I did, with the Seventh Day Adventist. You said you are still learning. I have written two books both have been published. The first one ran it's contract and I am offering it free on my website. Plus there are other articles and study aids available. If interested, PM me and I will give you a link. Shalom.
  14. You are welcome Ben Asher. I am still waiting for an answer I asked in post #147. Here it is again: Let me ask you, what laws will God write into their hearts and minds during the millennial reign? I am not sure if you even believe in a millennial reign. If you don't, then that is my answer. Shalom
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