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  1. It was difficult understand for me. Example: I am not familiar with the term "raped" scripture. Perhaps a personification? (Rape is a word for sexual assault.) Grammer made it difficult to understand. Spelling of 'transloated' which I at first assumed to be "translocated" retarded my comprehension. I was told the authors were inspired and each had their own style and thus it was not technically a dictation. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it was a dictation in the style of the writer. Because of my lack of education I always have difficulty when God is referred to as YHWH and other abbreviations. Again, that is my limitation that retards my understanding I didn't know what claims you were referring too. Again, maybe that's just me. I don't get it ... I am not sure who the Scribes are ... possibly another term for writers but there is a capital on Scribes so I suppose it has a formal definition of which I am unaware. I don't know what "Self Interpreting" that means. I asked two university educated co-workers if they knew what "Self Interpreting" meant and neither could hazard a guess. Neither I or the software spell checker know what "Rebewed" means. All this being said, Becky liked what you wrote so it's probably just me.
  2. Impassibility of God ... I found this interesting Vincent Cheung: The immutability of God implies the IMPASSIBILITY of God. This means that God is without "passions" – emotions or feelings. Less thoughtful believers protest against the doctrine, since they misapply biblical passages that seem to describe a God who experiences emotions such as grief, joy, and wrath (Psalm 78:40; Isaiah 62:5; Revelation 19:15). Passages that appear to ascribe emotions to God are anthropopathic. The view that God experiences emotions like men appear to entail a number of contradictions: A man may become angry against his will in the sense that he does not choose to become angry, and he does not choose to experience whatever causes the anger, but that the "trigger" incites this emotion in him against his preference. This applies to human experiences of joy, fear, grief, and so on. However, this cannot be true with God even if he were to experience emotions, because such lack of self-control contradicts his omniscience, sovereignty (He controls all events), and immutability (He is not merry one moment and sad another for God is eternal; He has no succession of moments). Since God is omniscient, he cannot be surprised, and this at least eliminates certain ways of experiencing emotions. Perhaps the reply is that all facts are simultaneously present to God, so that the insult that angers him is always happening "now." But this would imply that God must be angry about this one insult throughout eternity, and not just when it happens. If so, then God's emotions would not offer us the kind of interactivity that proponents of divine emotions are after. In any case, suppose something happens that alleviates this anger. Of course, the only way is forgiveness through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. But since God knows Christ's sacrifice just as well as the man's insult, we are at a loss as to whether he is ever angry or not. The mental experiment results in absurdity, because the truth is that God is not like man, because he is not a man. Then, if an action of mine can cause anger in God in a similar way that I can cause anger in a man, then this means that I can cause anger in God by my power. To the degree that he lacks self-control, he is helpless against my efforts to cause anger in him. Likewise, if an action of mine can produce joy in God in a similar way that I can produce joy in a man, then this means that I have the ability to produce joy in God at will. In this manner, I would exercise a significant measure of control over God. But this contradicts his sovereignty [,independence] and immutability. The matter becomes much more complex when we take into account that he knows all the thoughts and actions of his creatures in all of history simultaneously. But it is enough to consider all the billions of people who anger him at any point in time, and the thousands or at least hundreds of people who please him at the same time. How is it possible for him to be angry with two billion people in a sense like man's anger and pleased with two hundred people, also in the human sense, at the same time? If the answer is that God's mind is immense, so that he is not subject to human limitations, then our point is also established. Therefore, some form of divine impassibility is necessary. If God is angered by our sins, it is only because he wills to be angered by them, and not because his mental state is subject to our will or beyond his control. Even if God has emotions, they are under his control, and they will never compromise his divine attributes. And since they cannot compromise the divine attributes, this also means that even if he has emotions, he does not have them in a way that is similar to man. But then we wonder why we would still call them emotions. Thus at least in this sense and to this extent, we must affirm that God is without passions. The dictionary defines "emotion" as "disturbance, excitement; the affective aspect of consciousness; a state of feeling; a psychic and physical reaction (as anger or fear) subjectively experienced as strong feeling and physiologically involving changes that prepare the body for immediate vigorous action." Love too is not an emotion in the Bible, but a volition. His love is uncaused (uninfluenced) as God is independent (Ephesians 1:4). Since God loves His people in Christ, it is not regulated by their fruitfulness, but is the same at all times. Because He loves them in Christ, the Father loves them as Christ. The time will come when His prayer will be answered, “that the world may know that thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved Me” (John 17:23). Jesus experienced emotions, but what can we infer from this? He also experienced hunger and fatigue (Matthew 21:18; Luke 4:2; John 4:6), but this only proves that the Son of God took upon himself a human nature. Just as Jesus in his divine nature did not experience hunger or fatigue, he in his divine nature did not experience emotions. Only his human nature experienced hunger, fatigue, and emotions.
  3. So, the Presbyterian (PCA) branch is also beginning to lean toward same-sex marriage? My rule of thumb ... the PCA were the "good guys" and the PCUSA were the "bad guys" where I define the "good guys" as being against same-sex marriage and the ordination of gay clergy. In humanistic terms, the "bad guys" seem to be winning.
  4. · John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. · John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. · John 1:18 No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father]. · John 5:23 that all may honour the Son, just as they honour the Father. · John 8:57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” · John 9:30 I and the Father are one. · John 20:28 Thomas answered Him, My Lord and my God! · Romans 1:4 And [as to His divine nature] according to the Spirit of holiness was openly designated the Son of God in power [in a striking, triumphant and miraculous manner] by His resurrection from the dead, even Jesus Christ our Lord (the Messiah, the Anointed One). · Romans 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. · Romans 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and as far as His natural descent was concerned, from them is the Christ, Who is exalted and supreme over all, God, blessed forever! Amen (so let it be). · Romans 14:11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” · Philippians 2:6 who, although He existed in the form and unchanging essence of God [as One with Him, possessing the fullness of all the divine attributes—the entire nature of deity], did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped or asserted [as if He did not already possess it, or was afraid of losing it]; 7 but emptied Himself [without renouncing or diminishing His deity, but only temporarily giving up the outward expression of divine equality and His rightful dignity] by assuming the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men [He became completely human but was without sin, being fully God and fully man]. 8 After He was found in [terms of His] outward appearance as a man [for a divinely-appointed time], He humbled Himself [still further] by becoming obedient [to the Father] to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also [because He obeyed and so completely humbled Himself], God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow [in submission], of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess and openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord (sovereign God), to the glory of God the Father. · Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, Titus 1:3 And [now] in His own appointed time He has made manifest (made known) His Word and revealed it as His message through the preaching entrusted to me by command of God our Savior; Titus 2:13 Awaiting and looking for the [fulfillment, the realization of our] blessed hope, even the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus (the Messiah, the Anointed One), Hebrews 1:8 But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever (to the ages of the ages), and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness (of justice and straightforwardness). Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last (the Before all and the End of all). Every knee to bow to him; he is a peculiar object of worship They are equally known to each other, and unknown to others (Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22; John 1:18; 6:46; 10:15) Christ is greater than all others including spiritual intelligences of the universe (Matthew 3:11; 12:41,42; Mark 12:37; Luke 11:31,31; John 1:17; Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9; Hebrews 1:4-5; 3:3; 1 Peter 3:22) · Acts 20:28b, Revelation 1:8; Hebrews 1:3; 2 Peter 1:1b · Divine names are ascribed to Christ: Son of God, Lord, the Word (Logos), Holy One · Divine attributes are ascribed to Christ: Self-existent life (John 1:4; 2:19; 10:17-18; 14:6; Act 3:15), Eternity (1 John 1:2; 5:11), Immutability (Hebrews 1:10-12; 13:8), Omnipresence (Matthew 18:20; 28:20), Omniscience (Matthew 9:4; 12:25; Mark 2:8; Luke 5:22; 6:8; 9:47; 10:22; John 1:48; 2:24-25; 4:16-19; 6:64; 21:6; Colossians 2:3; Revelations 2:2, 9, 13;3:1, 8, 15), Omnipotence (Matthew 8:26-27; Matthew 28:18; Luke 4:39; 7;14-15; 8:49-56; 21:15; (John 1:3; 10:18; 11:41-44; 2:19-22; 1 Corinthians 1:24; Ephesians 1:22; Philippians 3:20-21; Colossians 2:10), Omnipresence (Matthew 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; Ephesians 1:23), Infinity (Ephesians 3:8b; Colossians 2:3,9-10; John 10:28), Holiness (Luke 1:35; Acts 3:14-15; 1 John 3:5), Truth (John 14:6; 1 John 5:20-21), Love (John 13:1; 1 John 3:16; Romans 8:35-39; Ephesians 3:19), Righteousness (2 John 2:1; 2 Timothy 4:8), Faithfulness (Revelation 3:14; 19:11), Mercy (Jude 21), Eternal (John 1:1-2; 17:5, 24; Hebrews 1:8, 10-12; 1 John 1:2) · Divine works performed: Creating ((John 1:3, 10; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:3), Preserving (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3), Controlling History (Revelation 5:5), Strengthening the Church (Romans 12:5; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 4:7-16; Philippians 1:2; 4:23) Answering Prayer (John 14:14; 2 Corinthians 12:9), Resurrecting the Dead (John 11:25), Judging the world (Matthew 25:31-46; John 5:22, 27; Acts 10:42; 1731; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Revelation 20:11), Recreating the world (Hebrews 1:10-12; Revelation 21:5-6; Philippians 3:21) · Divine Claims made by Christ: He was greater than the temple (Matthew 12:6), the very place where God’s name dwelled. He claimed authority over the Church (Matthew 16:19) · He is the source of all spiritual blessing. He gives the Holy Spirit (Luke24:49; John 16:7; 20:22; Acts 2:33), He forgives sins (Mark 2:5-10; Luke 5:20-24; 7:27-49; Acts 5:31), He give peculiar peace (John 14:27; 16:33; Romans 15:33; 16:20; 2 Corinthians 13:11; Philippians 4:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 13:20), He give light (John 1:4,4-9; 8:12; 9:5; 12:35,24; 1 John 1:5-7; Revelation 21:23), He gives faith (Luke 17:5; Hebrews 12:2), He gives eternal life (John 17:2), He gives spiritual gifts to the churches (Ephesians 4:8-13). · The judgment of the world is entrusted to him (Matthew 16:27; 24:30; 25:31; John 5:22,27; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Romans 2:16; 14:10; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 2 Timothy 4:1) · Equality to God in a) works (John 5:17-23), b) Knowledge (Luke 10:22); John 10:15 c) in Nature (John 5:18; 10:33; Philippians 2:6; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3)
  5. Fatalism determines things randomly. I therefore haven't espoused fatalism! God's will outweighs the imaginary free will of men. To believe man thinks independently from God is dualism; the belief that a power /will exists other than God. The belief that God does not hold all things together Col 1:12; the belief that an all wise God determines Christ's bride by the will of man; the belief that God is not all powerful for their is another power (free will); the disbelief of John 1:12-13 .... the belief that man can partially control God by his actions, determining who is among the elect and thus God is not independent of of creation, but committed to some of the decision of man and subservient to His own law rather than sovereign.....and and on and on. Re: "choose you this day whom ye will serve" so the verse says God tells you to choose to have FAITH. I tell you to choose this day to be a billionaire or not; good luck with that. The verse, like the choice I gave you, does not say you have the power to choose. I can give 50 verses saying you don't have the power to choose... if you had the power to choose then you would be able to 'boast' to God and you would be saved by your "work". While you are choosing to have faith, why don't you choose to stop sinning. There are verses in the Bible saying to not sin anymore so I assume via association you feel you can do that also, otherwise God would not have asked you to stop sinning.
  6. Assuming the statement is in regards to choosing person "A" and not person "B": No one knows because the reason(s) have nothing to do with us (empirical evidence is non-existent); in other words, there is no formula to show why He chooses person "A" and not person "B". Freewill If God does not absolutely determine what happens, then this means that there is another determining power in the universe. When we are speaking of God's relation to man, attributing partial determinism to God implies attributing partial determinism to man also. This becomes a version of dualism. Only an eternal entity can determine anything IMO.
  7. Yes, Constable's is problematic but that doesn't make it incorrect (i.e. God allowing evil is problematic). Again, I don't know Constable's thinking I can't defend the statement. I brought the idea up hoping someone would take Constable's side with corroborating ideas. So far, not takers. (LOL) I tried 'googling' the idea and found nothing directly related. I found something from Calvin to lead me to believe he did not side with Constable.
  8. I did a little more searching and found 1 Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy he gave us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ... so not sure what Constable is talking about and to be fair, he doesn't offer an explanation / scriptural foundation (would be interesting if he had)
  9. Don't confuse me with facts (soft giggle).
  10. I assume, based on my previous posts, that you are inferring that somehow everyone on the planet was aware of the salvific gospel due to the words as it is in all the world of Colossian 1:6. This defies logic and any supporting evidence. John Owen Explains First, that whereas, with that which is equivalent unto it, All the World, it is used seven or eight times in the New Testament, it cannot be made appear, clearly and undeniably, that in any place it comprises all and every man in the world; so that unless some circumstance in this place enforce that sense (which it doth not), it will be a plain wresting of the words to force that interpretation upon them. ... Passing the place of which we treat, the next is, Colossians 1:6 Which is come unto you as in All the World. Where, -- 1. All and every man cannot be understood; for they had not all then received the gospel (which has been my point all along). 2. Only believers are here signified, living abroad in the world; because the gospel is said to "bring forth fruit" in them to whom it comes, and there is no true gospel fruit without faith and repentance.
  11. Not relevant to the question I posed to you in response to your post save for the fact that it was not humanly possible to get the "Words of God" to all tribes and people of the earth instantaneously which would required to "give everyone a chance to be saved given "faith cometh by hearing". (Internet, phones, telegraph, etc. not yet to be invented) True enough. Are you proposing that this consciousness (general revelation Romans 1:20-25) is enough to save the North American Indian of the 1400s which relates to the question I posed in response to your post? How is the story of Tower of Babel and "Adam and Eve" related to getting the salvific word to a North American Indian in the 1400s. Are you posing the information is pass genetically or some other way? What is the method whereby salvific faith is instilled into the North American Indian so he could have been saved which is your contention that "everyone has a chance to be saved". I am not limiting God. On the other hand, I am not implying or suggesting that God has seen fit to supply the salvific word to the North American Indian to satisfy any doctrinal hypothesis I might have when there is absolutely no evidence of such an event.
  12. The salvific word was spread by man and started from the middle east and no one could have gotten the salvific gospel to them. Not only the American Indian, but also the Australian Aborigine, the people of China. on and on. Not only in 1400, but in 100 A.D. But, you are the one that said it is possible to save people through the salvific word so I want you to answer how all these people and so many remote places had a chance to be saved by men preaching God's word. (Perhaps a magic carpet that apostle booked flights on to visit the 1,000s of tribes through out the world while time was held still so no one died before hearing the word?? 🙂 Logic ... ridiculous to assume everyone in the world had a chance to be preached the gospel. Simple logistics. I believe even today there are tribes that had never heard of God. The point is that it is obvious that many people could not have heard of God and therefore had NO CHANCE to be saved. So? Are you implying the "US" in the verse applied to the great, great, great grandfather of the North American Indian and that message was pasted along generation by generation to the hypothetical indian of the 1400s? If not, why quote the verse? So? What does that have to do with the North American Indian? Again, you said "Everyone has a chance to be saved" and that salvation "has to be through the word of God". The two statements an impossibility unless you have a supernatural explanation.
  13. Ah, a partial answer 🙂, thank you ... so, I agree that people are saved by the "word of God as shared by someone". Now, since you said "everyone has a chance to be saved" and since it was IMPOSSIBLE for that North American Indian to be reached by someone with God's word" (remember the Indian could not possibly have contact with the word of GOD unless you have a supernatural proposal) ... How was that Indian potentially saved keeping my mind that you said "Everyone has a chance to be saved". Aside: I suppose a 0% chance constitutes a chance, but I inferred by your statement that "Everyone has a chance to be saved" that you meant more than 0%.
  14. I will try again. You said "everyone has the chance to become a Christian". We question is: "How is it possible for someone who never heard of God to become a Christian?"
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