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  1. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Hi Sue, In my experience the Holy Spirit is feminine lol. Anyhow. Why is it a problem to share with us how the Holy Spirit interacts with you? To answer your other minor question I've read God's word cover-to-cover and continue to read it. I'm satisfied with what it says in that it makes reference to the Holy Spirit communicating with mankind... this is what I now want to seriously explore as the concept is totally forigien to most Christians. Waving hands round in church? Ministers throwing around careless statements like, "..can't you really feel the Holy Spirit tonight?" Nonsense ! Total wish-wash nonsense! That is not how it works or what the Holy Spirit is. At least the aspect of it I'm referring to. I could tell you from my experience so far how I believe it works, but I don't want to say anything leading. I just want someone, anyone, who can actually tell me about their experiences on this matter and so far no one I've talked to has a single answer or wants to share anything about it. Can you pretty please tell me about it ??? :) With sugar on top ? Thanks, Ben.
  2. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Hi Sue, Your one-line of argument is backed up by nothing but postulates. Hmm... I'm not convinced you understand what you believe :) Convince me that you understand fundamentally what God is, who Jesus is, what the Holy Spirit is. The significance of what Jesus did, how a person is to conduct themselves on Earth and the way in which one enters the Kingdom of heaven. And to get back to the topic... convince me that you understand how the Holy Spirit interacts with a person on the individual level. I am NOT asking these things trying to test you. I am asking these things so you think about them deeply. So many Christians I know are wishy-washy skin-deep Christians and it makes me sad. That's why I like talking to older people, I am hoping they, in their age and wisdom, have these real answers. There ARE answers to these questions - seek and yet shall find. Knock and it shall be opened! This is what I'm trying to get across!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HINT HINT !!!!!!!! :D Thanks, Ben.
  3. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Ah lads. Ye's are in the dark and you can't even be bothered looking for the light switch. :-( sad times
  4. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    "Assuming that you believe what you act out - which I think is a really good way of fundamentally defining belief." - Jordan B Peterson. Let's look again at John 3:16 John 3:16King James Version (KJV) 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. So one could argue, from a psychoanalyst's definition of believe, that this means whosoever acts out what Jesus said/did should not perish, but have everlasting life. This would suggest that it's not just belief defined as; belief bɪˈliːf/ noun 1. an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof. "his belief in extraterrestrial life" 2. trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something). "a belief in democratic politics" Think on that ;)
  5. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Don't you want to know what SOME of these unknowable things are? Or do you mean they have already been revealed through the bible? If that's the case are you not verging on suggesting that the Holy Spirit is useless? The bible says the Holy Spirit can reveal things to you - how can that not be of extreme interest to a Christian?? I'm like the man who knows there's gold in the field - and I'm trying to buy the field here! lol
  6. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    1 Corinthians 2:9-10King James Version (KJV) 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. ...the deep things of God, revealed unto us by His Spirit. Voila ! It says so in the bible lol
  7. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Hmm, the Spirit lives within us... yet we don't know how to communicate with it? How does it 'lead' a person? I haven't rejected it, I said... ~~~ DPMartin, interesting idea. Came across a similar idea a while back, Adam was possibly literally God's son, like Jesus, but he messed it up. "man's job is to discern what is for and against what God's Judgement of what is good and evil for His creation. but they sot to be like gods didn't they? knowing good and evil." This sounds intriguing ! Can you clarify this part? "...and requires of use the same thing that lost the Life in the first place which is the same thing that would have kept that Life." Can you clarify this too? Thanks :)
  8. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Ah but that's just it ! I believe he has revealed things that we just can't see at first glance ! I have discovered things! :D Anyway, I see your age there so you're probably a mine of info. What is your view on how the Holy Spirit interacts with man?
  9. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Of course we need to know. The pursuit of knowledge is vital, it's part of what drives you forward on your Christian journey. You were clearly in the pursuit of knowledge when you decided to read the bible and become a Christian. What changed? Why did you stop looking? Here's how things stand in the discussion so far... we all claim to be Christian, but when we ask really simple questions about the fundamental ideas at its core all we end up with is, "the bible says so, so it must be true". I hope that doesn't sound rude. What I mean is... there /are/ reasons for everything that the bible claims. You're suggesting that we'll never know the answers to these fundamental Q's - but you're giving up before you've even tried. It's like throwing in the towel because google.com can't give us an answer - that doesn't mean there isn't an answer! And in this case because the answer is hard to find, it doesn't mean that it's a supernatural answer that we'll only get in heaven. There's no reason at all why the answer would be hidden. It's just that the bible didn't mention it in a clear way. Maybe it's ambiguous on purpose? Parts of the bible are like that. Maybe it's because knowing that is only for the people who really seek it out? Like what Jesus said about speaking in parables. There is obviously a reason God created humans and humans must have a purpose. Saying that reason is to glorify God is too vague. It's might be correct in that it's part of it, but there has to be more to it as well. It's so fundamental too to Christianity and yet we had to go looking up definitions of it. The fact that we had to go look up definitions of it shows us how far removed we are from it. We had to go check what it meant, then think about whether we're doing it right lol. I'll highlight this other item I discovered whilst reading the bible; What is the most fundamental definition of a christian? Normally people say, "to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and accept him into your life." But more fundamental is this are these postulates; 1. You believe that God created the universe and everything in it. 2. You believe the bible is the word of God. Now if you believe in those two ideas, the rest flows. Because you'll read the bible and then know what to do. But there's a catch! If you agree with number 2 then you stop questioning things. Because the bible the is ultimate authority, and if it doesn't tell you something then you're not meant to know it! But this isn't right. The bible doesn't teach engineering or how to paint, yet people have to learn these things. What am I on about? Check this out... I'm gonna blow your minds. John 14:26King James Version (KJV) 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. There's an addition to those two fundamentals; You believe that God created the universe and everything in it. PS. God = father, son and Holy Ghost. You see? Our postulates needed an update that was not obvious. Now for the mind-blow! Who or what is the Holy Ghost and how does this entity interact with humans???????????????? ;-) Go find that out and I'll tell you the next piece of the puzzley wuzzley !!!! :D
  10. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Hi Guys and Gals, Thanks for your answers. 1. Why did God create humans? A. For his glory. Problem: this is very vague and in my opinion God isn't vague. If he created humans he did so for exact reasons. What are the exact reasons? 2. What is the purpose of a human? A. To glorify God. Problem: We have too many attributes for simply glorifying God. If man's purpose was only that, then he could have made us perfectly spherical, rolling around on a flat plane - but he didn't. 3. Why did sacrifice of animals atone for sin? A. It was an example of what was to come. Problem: It was only an example of what was to come in hindsight after Jesus arrived. These people carried out animal sacrifice for a long time before Jesus arrived - it had definite meaning to them. So too did pagan nations and also Islamic ones then. People forget that these sacrifices weren't just burned up. They were given to the community as food. So a sacrifice was also an offering to the community. A good-will gesture. I believe this is a far better explanation as it's practical. This idea of animal sacrifice being, "an example of what was to come" allows you to miss so much of the picture. 4. How does Jesus' sacrifice wipe all sin from a person? A. Propitiation of God’s wrath through the great exchange and Imputation of righteousness. Problem: Doesn't answer the question. "The Great Exchange". I.e. Postulate. In other words, "because the bible says so". Again, if God did this there must be an exact reason for it that is comprehensible. Didn't expect an answer to that one as even old Andrew Murray himself can't answer it in his book The power of the blood of Christ lol. 5. How does Jesus dying once cover the sins of all humans who believe in him? A. Perfect sinless sacrifice by an eternal perfect high priest in the Order of Melchizedek. Problem: Again, this is a postulate. "Because the bible says so" isn't an answer. 6. When the bible says, "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life" what is the exact definition of "believe"? A. “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.” Problem: Belief in Jesus rising for the dead is what gets you into heaven? A belief is an idea, an arrangement of neurons in your brain. How can an idea get you into heaven? You could be the most absolute useless person on the planet but because you have an idea in your head you get to go to heaven. This makes no sense. What makes more sense is believing in what Jesus taught and applying it. This is hard to do as Jesus was a radical. I find lots of Christians have the opinion just believing Jesus existed is the key... but this is a scapegoat. They can't be bothered being Christ-like, so they take the easy option. "I'll put my hand up in Church... woo hoo I'm saved!" total nonsense. 7. What is the exact definition of the word "worship"? A. Couple of ideas here - It means to acknowledge God's supremacy in all areas of our lives. Also - prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God): - bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship. Problem: I'll accept that one. ****** What I've written sounds harsh but bare with me.. When I read the bible I had a few questions in mind. Why did God create humans? What is the purpose of a human? How can a man being sacrificed cover sin? I didn't get answers to these questions. It's important to understand what a postulate is. It's a thing suggested or assumed as true as the basis for reasoning, discussion, or belief. In other words it's an explanation not derived from any other idea. Doesn't mean it's useless, Newton's 3 laws of motion are postulates. But! Later Einstein then showed a more fundamental derivation of Newton's laws, more accurate to reality ! Seek and ye shall find! When I ask, why did God create humans and I hear, "to glorify God" this is a postulate in that the bible says this and that's the end. But it's not the end. Always remember, knock and it shall be opened to you. Ask and you will receive. It's ok to question all these things, because it's only through questioning it that you get the real answers. Some people get hung-up on the idea that believing every word of the bible as fact is what makes them a 'good' Christian, but it's not. You have to understand it from the ground up to really 'believe' it. And by stopping at postulate answers we're saying, "this doesn't really answer it, but I dare not ask any more questions for fear of being labelled a non-believer." Jesus said, "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." There's more to this than meets the eye and we have to dig to find out the answers to these questions.
  11. BenReilly

    The crux of the matter...

    Hi Theophilus, Thanks for you answers and your time :) What does it mean to glorify God / why does God need to be glorified? Did the people back then know that it was a parallel to the perfect sacrifice to come, or did they have another reason of their own for doing it? Why? A lot of people seem to be under the impression that simply believing in Christ is enough. Personally I share your view here :) I too came to similar conclusion :) - Ben
  12. BenReilly

    I am perfection...

    Hehehe! ;) only kidden ! Have a look at my other post; https://www.christforums.org/forum/christian-community/apologetics-and-theology/52114-the-crux-of-the-matter It's sensible :)
  13. BenReilly

    I am perfection...

    ...end of discussion lol !!! :D
  14. Hello, Seven being the perfect number I have seven questions for you to ponder. 1. Why did God create humans? 2. What is the purpose of a human? 3. Why did sacrifice of animals atone for sin? 4. How does Jesus' sacrifice wipe all sin from a person? 5. How does Jesus dying once cover the sins of all humans who believe in him? 6. When the bible says, "whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have eternal life" what is the exact definition of "believe"? 7. What is the exact definition of the word "worship"? Any answers and discussion welcome. Thanks, Ben.

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