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  1. ADofTX

    Profanity as a Shallow Concern

    See what? I already shared. If the shoe fits. You decide.
  2. ADofTX

    Profanity as a Shallow Concern

    The point of discussion is for iron to sharpen iron. I shared further what bothered me about the exchange. I hope I am not making the mistake of Proverbs 23:9.
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    Profanity as a Shallow Concern

    The profanity is not what I was calling shallow, but the people who turn it into a bigger deal than it is.
  4. ADofTX

    Profanity as a Shallow Concern

    Really? You are not concerned with the state of the Church? You are not concerned that many Christians are no different than pagans apart from their being polite?
  5. ADofTX

    Profanity as a Shallow Concern

    A shallow answer.
  6. ADofTX

    Profanity as a Shallow Concern

    William, I stated that I don't agree with profanity. You missed my point. My point is that it is a small matter compared to the examples I brought up, and I think it is an easy point of piety that makes people feel good about themselves. As for the regulative principle, that is not my concern. My concern is to worship the Father is Spirit and in Truth. While the Old Testament is a valuable reference and remains forever the inspired Word of God, we do not live under the Mosaic covenant and never have. There has never been a temple for Christians because we are the temple. And yes, as the temple we should honor God in all that we say and do. But what does being a temple mean? It means that God dwells inside it. You know as well as I that God does not reside in any brick and mortar structure. Where believers gather is not holy. The believers are holy. To call a building the house of God is not true. Back to my point, Jesus hated the veneer of righteousness that the Pharisees had and called them white washed tombs all clean on the outside but filled with all manner of corruption. If Sparky's friend is born again, then Jesus is at work inside him helping him get clean on the inside so he can be clean on the outside, too. Too many believers are shallow in their perception. Being nice on the outside does not mean they are on the inside. It is not usually pointed out when proverbs is quoted, "as a man thinks, so is he" it is a warning not to be deceived by fair words and flattery.
  7. Sparky started a thread that bothered me more than I realized. He was concerned about a brother who he said "regularly goes to church and even helps with church activities. He also prays regularly and he is nice to his family members. He is a hard worker too so I can say he is nice guy. Here is one problem though. He curses like a sailor." In the course of that discussion, all who responded were outraged by the man's reputed foul mouth. I never got my finger on what bothered me about the responses. I even looked up dictionary definitions. Let me share them. Profanity comes from the word "profane" which has these meanings: 1. Marked by contempt or irreverence for what is sacred. 2. Nonreligious in subject matter, form, or use; secular: sacred and profane music. 3. Not admitted into a body of secret knowledge or ritual; uninitiated. 4. Vulgar; coarse. Dictionary definitions are usually not enough for me since I like to know the history of the word, as well. It comes from the Latin pro-fanus which literally means, "in front of the temple": Cussing is a contraction of cursing and comes under the umbrella of profanity, although it has a more specific meaning. 1. a. An appeal or prayer for evil or misfortune to befall someone or something. b. Evil or misfortune that comes as if in response to such an appeal: bewailed the curse of ill health. 2. A source or cause of evil; a scourge: "Selfishness is the greatest curse of the human race" (William Ewart Gladstone). 3. A profane word or phrase; a swearword. 4. Ecclesiastical A censure, ban, or anathema. 5. Often Offensive Menstruation. It's history is just as interesting to me late Old English curs "a prayer that evil or harm befall one," of uncertain origin, perhaps from Old French curuz "anger," or Latin cursus "course." Even when I read these definitions, I did not put my finger on it until after thinking about it. The idea of profanity as being irreverent and contemptuous of that which is sacred is a religious idea from paganism, not Christianity. Please understand me, I am not making excuses for vulgarity and profanity from believers.We should not speak such things because we are not to cause our brothers to stumble. But I do think it is a shallow concern. Profanity, nudity and violence are the three main concerns of Christian movie ratings. And regarding children, it is wise to avoid those things. But if a movie does not have such things, parents then think it is OK for their children to watch those movies regardless of the message of the movie. That is an example of what I mean is shallow. It doesn't matter that new age philosophies are being taught through the movies, or that bad guys can be good guys if they steal from the rich and give to the poor. It doesn't matter that government atrocities committed by covert operations, CIA spies killing people for the sake of the government agendas, makes for great entertainment. In all ways, the brother Sparky was addressing he reported to be an outstanding man with the exception of his salty tongue. To be offended by such things, is very shallow, in my opinion. Jesus said "For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?" (Luke 23:31). His statement was in response to the women weeping over his crucifixion. What he meant was if you are grieved by my death when things are well, what will you do when persecution comes? I am using his statement in regards to this being a small matter compared to the greater problems in the church. I know of two men who are Christians that have committed despicable acts yet were considered respectable men in their congregations.. One was the father of a student of mine who had 4 kids in his family. His wife divorced him because she found out that he was a bigamist who was raising another family in another area of town. The second was a Wycliff Bible translator who hosted a house church that I used to be a part of. I left the fellowship because something was not right in my spirit and I told them I had no sense of the Holy Spirit in the group. Years later the co host came to my house and told me that his Wycliff friend had incestuous relation with his 16 year old daughter. This, church, is a problem. A sailor's mouth is nothing. As the body of Christ, we need to see past superficial objections. If i watch a movie and profanity is a realistic characteristic of the characters portrayed, I am not offended. But there is a difference between scripts written in intelligent and mature ways that use profanity and scripts that use profanity simply to use profanity. Let us be deeper in our discernment..
  8. Very thoughtful analysis. You might also be interested in a blog I wrote on my own website where I look at Romans 13 and argue that Paul was not speaking of civil government, but mature believers to whom support should be given. Specifically, I believe Paul was telling the Jewish Christians of Rome to support the list of people at the end of chapter 16. It is a long blog and will take some time to read. It is called. A Different Look at Romans 13.
  9. ADofTX

    Epistle of Barnabas

    I have not read the book of Barnabas, but I have read the book of Enoch. Anyone familiar with the Bible will see the difference. The writing of the Bible has a terseness, pithiness, and pregnancy of wording that has a depth of meaning sensed in the reading. In contrast when I read the book of Enoch there is a sense of rambling, repetition and inconsistent symbolism. To say the book of Barnabas was in the canon of the Bible is misleading. The canon came late. What the TV show may have meant is that the book of Barnabas was read by many early Christians, and some of them thought it was inspired.
  10. While Bono concludes with the right answer, his beginning is wrong. Sowing and reaping are not the same thing as Karma. In sowing and reaping, the seed sown can only reap the same plant. Metaphorically we use the expression for behavior, be rude to people and people will be rude to you. But it is the same thing. Karma, on the other hand, is a specific Hindu belief that your behavior in this life will determine what kind of new life you will have in reincarnation. Reincarnation means being born on Earth as either a lowly peasant when in a past life you might have been a king, or even coming back to life as beetle or some other animal. Christianity is very clear that we live once, die, then the judgement (Heb. 9:27). We do not come back to life on this Earth reincarnated. For all who trust Christ when they die, they will return in glorified bodies, of course. But all who die rejecting Christ will go to the place of the dead, called Hell, then be resurrected to face the White Throne Judgment. After that judgment they will be cast into the Lake of Fire where the worm never dies and the fire is never quenched. Resurrection is not the same thing as reincarnation since all who are resurrected are raised back to life as the person they were before they died. Reincarnation means a completely different life, whether as an animal or human through birth in a physical manner.
  11. That is a point of view I never heard before. Dissolving something does not remove it. Caterpillars in their cocoon dissolve then reform as butterflies. Their lives remain and the substance of their being remain. There is no reason in my mind to think God is doing a new creation. When the Earth was flooded it was drastically changed, but still remained the Earth. Annihilation is the same as non-existence and is what atheists believe what happens after death.
  12. No They will not all be destroyed, depending on what you mean by "destroyed". First, I believe hell and death will be destroyed in the sense of annihilation, that is, in non existence when thrown into the Lake of Fire. Second, while we know a new Heaven and a new Earth will be brought to pass after the White Throne Judgement, the old Heaven and Earth will not be annihilated, but metamorphosed into the new creation. God says through Isaiah: Isa_45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. For God to say, he "created it not in vain" but "formed it to be inhabited" means to me that the Earth, while transformed, will remain forever. Third, the gifts and callings of God are without repentance (Rom. 11:29), which means we all have everlasting life. The question is where is that everlasting life going to live? For the wicked who reject the gift of Christ, they will continue to live in the Lake of Fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Likewise for the fallen angels, their lives are everlasting lives, too, and will also suffer the same torment of the Lake of Fire. Fourth, what does the Second Death mean? Frankly, I believe it means the continuation of the First Death. The first death came to Adam when he sinned and was banished from paradise. We are all born spiritually dead, which, like Adam, manifests into physical death and the grave. After the White Throne Judgement, all who rejected Life, which is the eternal life of God himself through the new birth of Christ, will get to keep what they wanted: the death they already had. Jesus said the that the worn never dies and the fire is never quenched. Worms are used in the decomposition of organic matter, that is, our bodies when we are physically dead. Fire is the transformation of matter into energy, which is what the rust of metal is, i.e., oxidization. That expression of Christ's speaks to me of an everlasting decomposition. The Second Death than will be the permanent death they chose to keep when they rejected the Life offered freely to them. I do not view the Lake of Fire as punishment, but, rather, containment so all the vile and wicked and permanent are retained so they can never pollute the creation again.
  13. ADofTX

    Saved from what?

    Thank you. I would also add this thought. Entropy is the physical manifestation of sin which is a spiritual entity. The duelists believed that the spirit world was clean and holy whereas the material world is sinful and deadly. From that premise they believed that Jesus only resurrected in the spirit,not in the flesh. Orthodox faith counters this with a firm belief that Jesus was resurrected with a physical body, which is the truth. But I think this confusion persists because even today Christians hold onto the duelist premise subconsciously. I am convinced that there is only one creation and that the spirit world and the material world are different dimensions of the one creation. The worlds are integrated as one. Sin is a spiritual error. When Adam and Eve believed the lie of Satan instead of trusting God, they died spiritually. What that means is that their spirits became sin, which was the source of our sin nature. After Jesus resurrected and left the apostles 10 days before Pentecost, he was glorified, which means his human spirit and human body were fully joined to the Eternal Spirit. For us then, who are born again, this is why the Holy Spirit was able to be joined to our human spirits. Our human spirits died with Christ and have been transformed into the same new creations that Jesus is now. Of course this is only in our human spirits. Our souls still need to be retaught which is why we are not be conformed to this world, but transformed by the renewing of our minds, and our bodies need to be discarded so a new one that is fully the same as Jesus in his glorified bodies when he returns. In my opinion, Jesus is not only the seed for our new creation, but is the seed for the entire universe. When all is said and done, the new Heaven and Earth will draw its source from Jesus himself as the first fruits of the new creation. When the new Heaven and Earth are established (I also believe that the substance of this will still be from the old Heaven and Earth, since Isaiah said that the Earth shall remain forever) the manifestation of sin in the physical world, entropy, will be completely gone because the created spirit world will also be fully purged and renewed. All demons well be purged from the new creation because they will be in the lake of fire was first created for them, not us. I don't know of any change will be brought to the holy angels that never rebelled, but I suspect that there might be change their, too, to ensure that there can never be angelic rebellion again, but I don't know for sure.
  14. The OP was fine, and so were the suggestions on how to handle the situation. I had already expressed my concern in post 39, of which I have copied here. Innerfire89 said at post #21: "I find it hard to believe he is Christian and think he really hasn't been born again" To suggest a man is not born again on this scant discussion is a hasty judgment that is a bit condemning. And Winken called him disgusting, based solely upon the OP without actually knowing the person. Winken #11 He is disgusting. Don't let him attend services if he refuses to change his "speech." It was on these two comments I have been expressing my caution for response. I think we have exhausted this discussion and should go no further in it.
  15. True, this is not a court of law, only a court of public opinion, but the lesson of law still stands. My point is that it is one thing to give suggestions, of which many excellent suggestions were made, but it is another thing to say he is not born again or that he should be thrown out of the congregation.That is not our place. As Christians we should follow the biblical standard of letting everything be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses. The OP is only one witness.

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