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John Calvin puts forward a very simple reason why love is the greatest gift: “Because faith and hope are our own: love is diffused among others.” In other words, faith and hope benefit the possessor, but love always benefits another. In John 13:34–35 Jesus says, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Love always requires an “other” as an object; love cannot remain within itself, and that is part of what makes love the greatest gift.

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  1. William

    Objections to Christianity

    And in all cases a less than Christlike example was encountered.
  2. William

    Objections to Christianity

    Made me muse a bit. The only representative of Christians is Jesus Christ. And according to the standard by which may be drawn from Scripture and Jesus' example one may glean who "we" truly are. We're sinners having fallen short of God's glory. We are broken people for one reason, another, and the list goes on yet God loved His people when unlovable. When I reflect upon Scripture, I note it wasn't these kinds of people Jesus chased off, but I remember one specific case when Jesus fastened a whip and overturned tables of those in the Temple which were fleecing His flock. I also can draw on various occasions when Christ was repeatedly confronted by those that misrepresent God's word. And not only that, but Christ warned us of those false Christs, Prophets, teachers, etc. Even among our Christian genre it is difficult to run a forum and even more so by Scripture. It is one thing when we apply the Scripture to ourselves but quite another when we hold others to our standard. We run the risk of committing the very acts of those we detest which have victimized others in the name of Christianity.
  3. I'm going to take pictures come the next clear day of the power lines running through trees on my street. I couldn't agree with you more. PG&E has a monopoly and California is supposed to be green sometime in the near future. They're pushing green technology and they still can't make a profit? They're threatening bankruptcy? PG&E Bankruptcy Tests Who Will Pay for California Wildfires - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The utility faces $30 billion in potential liability over deadly fires linked to its equipment. Critics say it is pressuring the state to shield it.
  4. William

    Objections to Christianity

    No problem and no pressure! As I have reiterated before I'm learning quite a bit from those that accepted my invitation. Simply to get to know you. Your site is actually placed quite well in Google's search engine when it comes to certain key words for those looking for Christian websites. That's how I found your group as I posted in my first introduction post on your site. I have been reading quite a bit from your members and I must say I think in some ways Apologist need to reevaluate not only apologetic methods, themselves, but the purpose for them evangelizing for Jesus. Having spent hours reading various comments on your board I acknowledge that I feel compassion and can empathize with them. So much damage has been done in the name of Christianity. More than happy to. Relax and enjoy our fellowship. God bless, William
  5. I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, Lord, only makest me dwell in safety (Ps. 4:8). View the full article
  6. William

    New guitar learner!

    I'm am rather new learning guitar too. I generally look to Youtube for guitar lessons. Various favorites are broken down and taught chord by chord. I suggest you search for a favorite song. Someone may of taken the time to walk you through your favorite song by demonstration from Youtube or you may want to start learning how to read music. God bless, William
  7. William

    Hello from Singapore!

    Welcome to CF chongjasmine!
  8. William

    Objections to Christianity

    There are essential and non essential doctrines. Though a non essential doctrine can indeed become essential enough where a person's profession contradicts. Such contradictions can greatly impact Evangelism. For example, one can place so much emphasis on works that they rely on them for salvation. Pentecostals sometimes place so much emphasis on speaking in tongues that they imply one is not saved unless they speak in tongues. Imagine if Jesus said you'll be with me today in paradise if you can prove your faith by speaking in tongues. Likewise, some place so much emphasis on water baptism that they believe the salvation formula requires baptism. The formula becomes Grace plus works (baptism). Grace becomes so annexed to water that grace cannot be conferred without. As far as John 3:16 I think this and Matthew 7:1 are some of the most misused verses. By misused I mean taken out of context. To address John 3:16 let's ask ourselves "how has God loved the world"? And who are included in the world? Often times people disassociate "whosoever" from those that believe. And they also reject the immediate context and isolate John 3:16 from John 3:18. John 3:18 stands in stark contrast to John 3:16 being used in a sense of Universalism. In John 3:18 sometimes it is proper to ask "why do people not believe"? And "how" have they been condemned "already" for unbelief?
  9. William

    Objections to Christianity

    Given your background in the SDA I'm not surprised. A lot of Christians have a difficult time classifying the body as to whether the SDA is a Sect or Cult. The SDA is definitely not a denomination they reject the essentials of the Christian faith. Even soteriology is observed to be works righteous or performance based salvation which leads to legalism, and in my opinion, has a wonderful way of making legalistic peoples miserable. As for your response, critique, etc., I pretty much addressed the purpose of this board. The thing about every other Apologetic website I've been on where there's an open format for unbelievers, generally most time is spent from the Apologist speaking in Scientific terms. Seldom really is theology ever addressed but rather overcoming a person's objections. As we've seen demonstrated in this thread if any one objection is answered then there "all these other objections" brought in and they never stop. As a person will always find their objection reasonable to suppress the existence of God. Having already touched upon my little bio I waded through Gnosticism before entering into the Christian church. The theology or lack of packed my mind full of things that were simply not Scriptural. For example, even the Christian cliche as has been addressed, "When God closes one door he opens another". In Christianity my greatest challenge after years in Christianity was unlearning what I had been taught. Even within Christianity (an umbrella term) there are those liberal theologians that quite oppose the idea that the Christian Scriptures are inspired. To combat liberalism, fundamentalism arose in the church. Liberalism has an order or process when it infiltrates a Christian body. Namely, Creeds and Confessions must be abolished. After all, if the church body really believes and professes the essentials then the liberal theologian has little chance to sway the body. I never really attached myself to liberal theology, I just couldn't come to terms about being taught by people that actually don't believe the very Scriptures. Why not just side myself to unbelievers rather than learn from an unbeliever dressed up as Christian? I did however go through a brief stage where I considered myself a fundamentalist though that was short lived. All this is meaningless to you as you have expressed your position in opposition rather than learning from the Scriptures. And I mean this kindly. Yes, I do. I think the Mormon Jesus is a false Christ. And I'm sure Jesus Christ is aware of the prayers of those praying to idols and false Christs.
  10. William

    Objections to Christianity

    Better yet, if you dialogue with Mormon missionaries ask why they're handing you the book of Mormon rather than the Bible? As @Faber stated, the Mormon Jesus is a different Jesus.
  11. Very true. I tuned in to CBS online for the first Presidential address to the nation. After it was done various people began expressing their opinion. I turned it off. News today isn't so much about reporting the facts as it is a verbal blog piece. If I want an opinion I go to mainstream media. Journalism is so different than it used to be, and its nothing than opinion pieces, someone expressing their perception of the facts rather than the facts.
  12. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you (John 15:12). View the full article
  13. In a way I agree, but perhaps the Pastor was also making a point about the 1st amendment and its counter "Political Correctness". I mean the actual LGBT~Q hadn't a problem using Bruce Jenner as their Poster Child. Are we not allowed to make public statements against it?
  14. William

    Objections to Christianity

    I know a vicious circle when I see it. Let's just say that I desired to be broken from the cycle of life and death. Sounds like you have run in with Apologist(s)! I'd like to approach this on another day throughout this weekend and give you some time to think about this before you respond. The time will also allow me preparation and to compile my post at leisure. We are actually not an Apologist focused website. Surprise! We are more focused on proper hermeneutics which includes but not limited to addressing the Scriptures from sound Exegesis to Classical Protestant Theology. It is my personal belief that the Scriptures are not a Science book. If it were, then Genesis does a lousy job of stating "how" things other then by God came into existence. The book of Genesis which you are addressing is a historical narrative which includes a historical record. I don't know if you caught my comment on your board where I stated that God is a Christian axiom? God is self-evident, and I believe does not try to "prove" His existence. Man only tries to suppress His existence. If you bear with me for a moment as this is not a knock but you've already brought Science into the equation. An outside authority by which to measure the truth of Scripture. Consider this, Science is the interpretation of nature. And Theology is the interpretation of Scripture. Both are interpreted by fallible men. No man has observed, tested, and repeated the creation or origination of the universe. Please entertain the idea that this is a fact claim. I could go into how we now measure time as you already addressed the problem of our standard of time when the sun hadn't been created until the fourth day. So how do we measure a day or year etc? Ordinarily, we know what we mean when we talk about the length of some time segment. We know because we have a background of stable rhythms, including the rhythm represented by the circuit of sun. To measure any one rhythm we need to address the standard by which we measure it. And though Genesis 1 is very simple and chapter does harmonize with many more technically and complicated theories of time. So, if you're expecting an Apologetic I'm afraid this is not our focus which is understanding what the author had in mind when writing the book of Genesis. Though I'm sure some members here would enjoy polishing up on their apologetics, they usually come here for the Protestant Community, that is, our fellowship. Having said that, if you can attempt this approach to the Scriptures then addressing Science, Mythology, other Cultures etc has little meaning. Though at times addressing other cultural use of language has benefit in understanding the original Hebrew, the language in which the book of Genesis was written. This also isolates the possibility of translation error. Unfortunately, I do not speak Hebrew, nor write etc. I am most studied in Theology, though one staff member here has credentials in the original languages whom I rely on at times to speak up if he notes that I am in exegetical error. History may also help especially of other Cultures, but sometimes these things are addressed in Scripture. For example, there's nothing in Scripture that says God had not gave others fragments of the Creation account. And we know that Daniel was captive by the Babylonians and was a teacher for them and that Magi knew the ancient texts and made way to the birth of the Messiah. We also know about when Moses lived and wrote the Pentateuch which may of actually came after the book of Job. With this in mind consider this quote from the Protestant Reformer Martin Luther who insisted that Moses wrote about Creation in normal, literal language: “When Moses writes that God created heaven and earth and whatever is in them in six days, then let this period continue to have been six days, and do not venture to devise any comment according to which six days were one day. But if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six days, then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are. For you are to deal with Scripture in such a way that you bear in mind that God Himself says what is written. But since God is speaking, it is not fitting for you wantonly to turn His Word in the direction you wish to go.” —What Luther Says. A Practical In-Home Anthology for the Active Christian, compiled by Ewald M. Plass, Concordia, 1959, p. 93. I don't mind digging into this if you wish to address the Scriptures from Genesis 1:1. If so, let's pick up over the weekend. My time has expired on the board for most of the night as my wife is home and generally I try to break from the website at such time. God bless, William
  15. William

    Objections to Christianity

    I'm 45. My birthday is in a month. I also have a "dragon" tattooed around my upper left arm. I was around 25 when I had it done, wishing now that I didn't. Tattoo regret If you like symbolism, my dragon is an Ouroboros which refuses to swallow its own tail.
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