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John Calvin puts forward a very simple reason why love is the greatest gift: “Because faith and hope are our own: love is diffused among others.” In other words, faith and hope benefit the possessor, but love always benefits another. In John 13:34–35 Jesus says, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Love always requires an “other” as an object; love cannot remain within itself, and that is part of what makes love the greatest gift.

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    I can get behind you on the over fixation on Israel. Too many people will swallow any garbage if it is presented with an ‘authentic’ prayer shawl and has a smattering of Hebrew words thrown in there among the drivel. If Jesus wasn’t working on my attitude, it would be fun to interrupt them with a reading from the book of Hebrews. 🙂 I just want to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bath water since there are a few (very few, but more than none) verses that seem to speak of future promises from God to the biological Jews. Not a second path to Heaven, but from where I sit, it looks like a promise of a Christian ‘Revival’ (is a mass conversion from Judaism to Christianity a ‘revival’?) among the decendents of the people that crossed the Red Sea on dry land. But ... Jews are not saved without Christ. Gentile Christians are not second class Christians behind Jewish Christians. Jerusalem may or may not be important to God’s “END GAME”, but the plan will center on Christ and not any group of people.
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    The WCF carefully used the words "predestinated" and "foreordained". What are the differences? Look at what Lucas said. He quoted it and it is appears as is right in front of him and he still can't read it right. Lets address the differences. But lets look at what Sue suggests too, she says God's omniscience has him knowing who will and will not choose him as though God looks through the corridors of time. This comes from a wrong interpretation of Romans 8:29-30 where the works of man are foreknown rather than "those whom" or rather the Elect which God foreknew. In other words, it is those people God foreloved or set his affections upon rather than their works. People are the objects of God foreknowledge and not their works. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. But according to Sue, God predestinated these things to come to pass then? Of course what Sue is suggesting is not found in Scripture, but by her argument she is in fact stating a case for foreordination - a theological inconsistency. But I ask Sue to examine why she can't believe that God Elects some and passes over others which leaves them damned in their unrighteousness? Especially when her pet verse John 3:16 in its context says so in John 3:18? Actually, we use both the WCF and H.C., but our H.C. is actually taught in Sunday schools to our children :). I wouldn't say our children or our office of teacher are dummies. The H.C. is great for addressing those with an elementary understanding of theology. Those from my church which have memorized the H.C. have done so from their childhood. Back to the WCF. Other Reformed Confessions: Does anybody actually know what "Reformed" means? Contrary to what Lucas believes, the WCF divines carefully treated how we confess what Scripture teaches. Not completely true, brother. Only the distortion of double predestination is heretical. Double predestination in its positive negative schema deals with the implications of Election as some will always then go to the reprobate and say ...... Predestination has only one side—election. If “double” predestination means a symmetrical view of predestination, then we must reject the notion. But such a view of “double” predestination would be a caricature and a serious distortion of the Reformed doctrine of predestination. I want to emphasis the Positive Positive Schema of double predestination is not what Reformed believe, but it is what non Reformed people like Lucas think we believe.Election by its very definition is positive, people are only elected to salvation and not damnation. However, double predestination does address the implications of God's election and the reprobate. Calvinism's acronym TULIP begins with Total Depravity or Total Inability - which addresses why man cannot obtain righteousness. Reject this point and we see that our debaters are aligned with Pelagianism. I agree, and I agree with your use of "free will" but only would suggest that man exercises his own free will as it is bound/enslaved to his fallen nature. Not picking you apart atpollard, just hinting at the type of free will Calvinist do not reject and the type they do reject. Nobody here has defined free will yet and so far I only see them denying and rejecting man's sin nature which only demonstrates contradictions in personal theology. Still waiting for someone to unpack the WCF and address those Scriptures. Too often do those reject any possibility that others have received a gift through such offices by which they do not hold and say that they only turn to Scripture for their doctrine. Yet here is an opportunity to address the Scriptures by which gifted men have "gotten their theology and doctrine from". These gifted men are pointing to Scripture, and not asking you take their word for it, but again, I think people have no idea what Reformed means. Last note, a group of divines may spend months upon months debating one complete sentence in the WCF from Scripture. Dazzle us and show us how someone can compile something better in seconds, hours, days or even a month by themselves. God bless, William
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    Bill my medicine on the outside is very expensive in addition to what the cost is for the VA meds which I pay $ 0. The Magnesium infusions I get every week are $1,000. and the Chemo shot I get every six months is $2,000. I see four doctors outside the VA all are specialists. I get from my PCD a list which has all my meds and the cost for which the pays for each for a month, its over $1,600. and the VA pays a lot less than what you pay at a pharmacy. I see how God was in control from the minuet I joined the NAVY. Things I thought was the ignorance of the government and me being sent to ABE "A" school when I was "guarantee" Drafting School, I now see Gods big picture plan for my life. In seven days I turn 74, and I truly can understand how the paths I took were preordained, even though at the time I was sure I was making them. But that's how it is when we are truly a Sheep of His. Now I see reading Scripture as a joy and I am excited to have time to spend reading the WORD of God. Now rereading the passages I have read so many times before, seem so fresh and speak so deeply to my heart. I have said I want the Christian Flag over my casket after the viewing. At the cemetery I want the Military send off and the flag given to my Bride of 50+ years, and then the Christian Flag put back on the casket. Then my pastor will give his closing remarks. I have never seen a Christian Flag on a casket and I want my funeral to demonstrate the great Salvation of Jesus Christ, and that my life was for and about my LORD Jesus Christ. I can't imagine a life without pain and suffering, and the awesome reality of seeing Jesus Christ face to face, say nothing of bowing before Yahweh. Oh what rejoicing that will be for me. No more tears for loved ones gone before me. No more anxiety of the future and what it holds. Oh what Glory that will be!
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    I don't think the CRC has gotten quite as bad as the PCUSA, though they do allow women deacons. Not sure if they have gotten any further than that (i.e., gay pastors, etc...).
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    Kinda like meeting a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses and saying, "Isn't it great to worship Jesus" - stir the pot.
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    By Kevin Daley - The Supreme Court turned back a constitutional challenge to a cross-shaped war memorial in Maryland Thursday, finding that the monument does not violate the First Amendment. Justice Samuel Alito delivered the opinion for a seven-justice majority. A three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the Peace Cross impermissibly endorses Christianity. The so-called “reasonable observer” test provides that government displays which are perceived to endorse or disparage a particular religion violate the First Amendment. “One simply cannot ignore the fact that for thousands of years the Latin cross has represented Christianity,” Judge Stephanie Thacker wrote for the majority. “Even in the memorial context, a Latin cross serves not simply as a generic symbol of death, but rather a Christian symbol of the death of Jesus Christ.” In a subsequent dissent, Judge Paul Niemeyer, who warned the decision imperils similar monuments within the 4th Circuit’s jurisdiction, including those at Arlington National Cemetery. The case arose in 2014, when three Maryland residents sued the parks commission with the support of the American Humanist Association (AHA). The plaintiffs say that the Peace Cross violates the First Amendment’s ban on religious favoritism. The American Legion intervened in the case given its historical connection to the monument. The Legion originally erected the memorial after World War I, but ceded control of the site to a Maryland state parks commission in 1961. Veterans groups still host annual programs at the Peace Cross. The parks commission and the Legion separately defended the memorial throughout the litigation. The commission urged the courts to rule on narrow grounds, saying the monument does not draw and explicit connection to Christianity — rather it evokes European battle cemeteries, where crosses are regularly used as headstones. What’s more, the Cross itself features other secular symbols like the seal of the Legion, and it situated among other battle memorials. All told, the history, context, and features of the memorial dilute whatever religious content Peace Cross might have, the commission says. But the Legion took a bolder position, saying the courts should permit sectarian displays like the Peace Cross provided they do not proselytize or coerce onlookers into religious observance. 49 names are inscribed on the pedestal of Peace Cross, including Medal of Honor winner Henry Hulbert. This is breaking news. This post will be updated.3 Content created by The Daily Caller News Foundation is available without charge to any eligible news publisher that can provide a large audience. For licensing opportunities of our original content, please contact [email protected] The Supreme Court Just Upheld A War Memorial Cross On Public Land is original content from Conservative Daily News - Where Americans go for news, current events and commentary they can trust - Conservative News Website for U.S. News, Political Cartoons and more. View the original full article
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    She is wise to not trust ANY question for the Democrats . If she said she was setting at his right the realized it was the left they would claim purgery. People who celebrate the killing of children are not to be trusted.
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    Well, I have a question, and am here to testify, check it out, yourself, that there's the mega-church world of the yellow smiley face pastor, that doesn't like to talk about repentance, sin and hell, doesn't like to talk about loving God first and seeking things eternal, rather it's, as if, "I'm okay, you're okay, Jesus loves your black little hearts of the world, loves you just as you are, after all, none of us can help having one foot in hell: today's special is a hundred to one return on that seed sown...". Or, there's no hell at all, and everybody will be saved, as somebody mentioned these universalist congregations that so tickle the unrepentant sinners' ears. Or you have the works cults, where you can juice your salvation by going to church on Saturday and avoiding meat or coffee, et al, all with their grand, extra-Biblical prophets of the true doctrines (Revelation 22:18), the chosen denomination, but all of which disagree with each other, as well as the Holy Bible, on many points. Millions and millions going through those doors! (Ask yourself this, is the power of the Holy Spirit failing these masses? You'd have to believe this, which would also make Christ a liar, if all these people are really saved and not being led into all truth, are, rather, chasing lies and somehow saved, John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. Of course, would hasten to add there are the young, that grow in sanctification and leave these churches, that is, not to say a person can't be saved and deluded, for a time, anyway.) On the other hand, you have these other churches, often a small Baptist or non-denominational, but other denominations here and there, not to slight Presbyterians, Lutherans or Methodists, the latter in theory, anyway, but with a pastor that teaches, without reservation, the whole of scripture, many, many of which may only have a hundred people or so in the audience, any given Sunday. And no big, loud band, no skits performed that are like Aesop's fables to entertain, likely even, heaven forbid, a place you'll hear and sing the old hymns. I know, because I've attended them, and am here to tell you the pastors aren't doing anything for money, either. So, to recap, we have a church that attracts people just like a Satanic heavy metal band, in droves, and another small church, that is hardly prospering, in material terms, faithfully teaching the true gospel, from the whole word of God, which I can guarantee you no practicing, unrepentant sinner, paying lip service to Christ, wants to hear. The question is this, considering what the Lord Jesus clearly taught, in the following verses, what else could you expect? Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Maybe let's throw in: Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. 2 Corinthians 11:13-14 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. The following verses are in context of the antichrist, but it is also a principle, that there is strong delusion that may tickle the ears, but damns, which God will allow people to make their beds of and sleep in, people of false religion, with the bottom line problem of loving the world more than God (James 4:4), the primary problem of the world having pleasure in unrighteousness: 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. I thought to make this point in a Christian politics thread, almost an oxymoron: where are you going to get your Bible Christian majority to rule this mess, even if the Bible told us to set the world straight, which it does not? Isn’t that more like Don Quixote, charging a windmill, trying to do, with the world, what only the Lord has the power to do? Isn’t, in fact, the world being the world, the “Christian nation” a myth, if we were to get real about it? Throw in the masses of born again Christians, flocking to the mega-church big top, likewise a myth? John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
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    From John Calvin’s Geneva Liturgy of 1543: Lord God, eternal and almighty Father: We acknowledge before your holy majesty that we are poor sinners, conceived and born in guilt and in corruption, prone to do evil, unable of our own power to do good. Because of our sin, we endlessly violate your holy commandments. But, O Lord, with heartfelt sorrow we repent and turn away from all our offenses. We condemn ourselves and our evil ways, with true sorrow asking that your grace will relieve our distress. Have compassion on us, most gracious God, Father of mercies, for the sake of your son Jesus Christ our Lord. And in removing our guilt, also grant us daily increase of the grace of your Holy Spirit, and produce in us the fruits of holiness and of righteousness pleasing in your sight: Through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen. From John Knox’s Liturgy of 1560: Almighty God, we are unworthy to come into your presence, because of our many sins. We do not deserve any grace or mercy from you, if you dealt with us as we deserve. We have sinned against you, O Lord, and we have offended you. And yet, O Lord, as we acknowledge our sins and offenses, so also do we acknowledge you to be a merciful God, a loving and favorable Father, to all who turn to you. And so we humbly ask you, for the sake of Christ your son, to show mercy to us, and forgive us all our offenses. Forgive the sins of our youth, and the sins of our old age. By your Spirit, O God, take possession of our hearts, so that, not only the actions of our life, but also the words of our mouths, and the smallest thought of our minds, may be guided and governed by you. Through Jesus Christ our Lord, to whom, with you and the Holy Spirit, be all honor and glory, now and forever. Amen. From the 1585 Reformed Liturgy of the Palatinate: I, a poor sinner, acknowledge before you, my God and Creator, that I have terribly and in many ways sinned against you, not only outwardly, but much more with inward blindness, unbelief, doubts, despondency, impatience, pride, covetousness, envy, hatred, malice, and other sinful affections, as you, my Lord and God, know well, and I cannot deeply enough deplore. But I repent of these things, and am sorry for them, and heartily ask you for mercy, for the sake of your beloved Son Jesus Christ. Amen.
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    I'm going to actually wait and let others research the question. But I will say that not all Calvinist are Reformed, but all Reformed are Calvinist. God bless, William
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