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Hello everyone, I have a question how do you get and understanding of the bible when your reading it, I was told that it's a message out of every scripture. I read a scripture over and over and  still did not get the message besides what it was saying, but I guess it was more to it then what I wasn't getting.

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Hello everyone, I have a question how do you get and understanding of the bible when your reading it, I was told that it's a message out of every scripture. I read a scripture over and over and  still did not get the message besides what it was saying, but I guess it was more to it then what I wasn't getting.

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Lemme give you an example of some credible commentators. As to "how" the Scriptures are best understood, that's a topic by itself. Here's an informative pdf on this subject:

 

Bib Int Exegesis Guidelines_0.pdf

 

And here's John Calvin's commentary on only Psalm 72 verse 1 as an example:

 

1.O God! give thy judgments to the king. (124) While David, to whom the promise had been made, at his death affectionately recommended to God his son, who was to succeed him in his kingdom, he doubtless endited to the Church a common form of prayer, that the faithful, convinced of the impossibility of being prosperous and happy, except under one head, should show all respect, and yield all obedience to this legitimate order of things, and also that from this typical kingdom they might be conducted to Christ. In short, this is a prayer that God would furnish the king whom he had chosen with the spirit of uprightness and wisdom. By the terms righteousness and judgment, the Psalmist means a due and well-regulated administration of government, which he opposes to the tyrannical and unbridled license of heathen kings, who, despising God, rule according to the dictates of their own will; and thus the holy king of Israel, who was anointed to his office by divine appointment, is distinguished from other earthly kings. From the words we learn by the way, that no government in the world can be rightly managed but under the conduct of God, and by the guidance of the Holy Spirit. If kings possessed in themselves resources sufficiently ample, it would have been to no purpose for David to have sought by prayer from another, that with which they were of themselves already provided. But in requesting that the righteousness and judgment of God may be given to kings, he reminds them that none are fit for occupying that exalted station, except in so far as they are formed for it by the hand of God. Accordingly, in the Proverbs of Solomon, (Pro 8:15,) Wisdom proclaims that kings reign by her. Nor is this to be wondered at, when we consider that civil government is so excellent an institution, that God would have us to acknowledge him as its author, and claims to himself the whole praise of it. But it is proper for us to descend from the general to the particular; for since it is the peculiar work of God to set up and to maintain a rightful government in the world, it was much more necessary for him to communicate the special grace of his Spirit for the maintenance and preservation of that sacred kingdom which he had chosen in preference to all others. By the king’s son David no doubt means his successors. At the same time, he has an eye to this promise:
“Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne,” (Psa 132:11.)


But no such stability as is indicated in that passage is to be found in the successors of David, till we come to Christ. We know that after the death of Solomon, the dignity of the kingdom decayed, and from that time its wealth became impaired, until, by the carrying of the people into captivity, and the ignominious death inflicted upon their king, the kingdom was involved in total ruin. And even after their return from Babylon, their restoration was not such as to inspire them with any great hope, until at length Christ sprung forth from the withered stock of Jesse. He therefore holds the first rank among the children of David.

 

(124) “In other places, those events which God himself brings to pass in defending the righteous, and in punishing the wicked, are called his judgments, as in Psa 36:7; but the statutes promulgated by God for the regulation of human conduct are also styled his judgments. In this sense, the judgments and laws of God may be considered as synonymous terms, Psa 119:20. The clause is justly explained by Jarchi: ‘Knowledge of the judgments — to wit, of the particular rules of right — which thou hast commanded in the law. ’ The explication given by Kimchi is suitable also: ‘That he may not err in giving forth sentences, give him knowledge and understanding, that he may judge with judgment and justice.’” —Rosenmüller on the Messianic Psalms, Biblical Cabinet, volume 32, pp. 232, 233.

 

And here's someone I do not go to a whole lot because I consider him too "wordy", but you can't go wrong on the Psalms by reading and taking into consideration Charles Spurgeon:

 

Psalms 72:1-7

1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.
2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.
4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.


Psa 72:1
“Give the king thy judgments, O God.” The right to reign was transmitted by descent from David to Solomon, but not by that means alone: Israel was a theocracy, and the kings were but the viceroys of the greater King; hence the prayer that the new king might be enthroned by divine right, and then endowed with divine wisdom. Our glorious King in Zion hath all judgment committed unto him. He rules in the name of God over all lands. He is king “Dei Gratia” as well as by right of inheritance. “And thy righteousness unto the king's son.” Solomon was both king and king's son; so also is our Lord. He has power and authority in himself, and also royal dignity given him of his Father. He is the righteous king; in a word, he is “the Lord our righteousness.” We are waiting till he shall be manifested among men as the ever-righteous Judge. May the Lord hasten in his own time the long-looked-for day. Now wars and fighting are even in Israel itself, but soon the dispensation will change, and David, the type of Jesus warring with our enemies, shall be displaced by Solomon the prince of peace.


Psa 72:2
“He shall judge thy people with righteousness.” Clothed with divine authority, he shall use it on the behalf of the favoured nation, for whom he shall show himself strong, that they be not misjudged, slandered, or in any way treated maliciously. His sentence shall put their accusers to silence, and award the saints their true position as the accepted of the Lord. What a consolation to feel that none can suffer wrong in Christ's kingdom: he sits upon the great white throne, unspotted by a single deed of injustice, or even mistake of judgment: reputations are safe enough with him. “And thy poor with judgment.” True wisdom is manifest in all the decisions of Zion's King. We do not always understand his doings, but they are always right. Partiality has been too often shown to rich and great men, but the King of the last and best of monarchies deals out even-handed justice, to the delight of the poor and despised. Here we have the poor mentioned side by side with the king. The sovereignty of God is a delightful theme to the poor in spirit; they love to see the Lord exalted, and have no quarrel with him for exercising the prerogatives of his crown. It is the fictitious wealth which labours to conceal real poverty, which makes men cavil at the reigning Lord, but a deep sense of spiritual need prepares the heart loyally to worship the Redeemer King. On the other hand, the King has a special delight in the humbled hearts of his contrite ones, and exercises all his power and wisdom on their behalf, even as Joseph in Egypt ruled for the welfare of his brethren.


Psa 72:3
“The mountains shall bring peace to the people.” Thence, aforetime, rushed the robber bands which infested the country; but now the forts there erected are the guardians of the land, and the watchmen publish far and near the tidings that no foe is to be seen. Where Jesus is there is peace, lasting, deep, eternal. Even those things which were once our dread, lose all terror when Jesus is owned as monarch of the heart: death itself, that dark mountain, loses all its gloom. Trials and afflictions, when the Lord is with us, bring us an increase rather than a diminution of peace. “And the little hills, by righteousness.” Seeing that the rule of the monarch was just, every little hill seemed clothed with peace. Injustice has made Palestine a desert; if the Turk and Bedouin were gone, the land would smile again; for even ill the most literal sense, justice is the fertilizer of lands, and men are diligent to plough and raise harvests when they have the prospect of eating the fruit of their labours. In a spiritual sense, peace is given to the heart by the righteousness of Christ; and all the powers and passions of the soul are filled with a holy calm, when the way of salvation, by a divine righteousness, is revealed. Then do we go forth with joy, and are led forth with peace; the mountains and the hills break forth before us into singing.


Psa 72:4
“He shall judge the poor of the people.” He will do them justice, yea, and blessed be his name, more than justice, for he will delight to do them good. “He shall save the children of the needy.” Poor, helpless things, they were packhorses for others, and paupers themselves, but their King would be their protector. Happy are God's poor and needy ones; they are safe under the wing of the Prince of Peace, for he win save them from all their enemies. “And shall break in pieces the oppressor.” He is strong to smite the foes of his people. Oppressors have been great breakers, but their time of retribution shall come, and they shall be broken themselves. Sin, Satan, and all our enemies must be crushed by the iron rod of King Jesus. We have, therefore, no cause to fear: but abundant reason to sing -
“All hail the power of Jesus' name!
Let angels prostrate fall;
Bring forth the royal diadem,
And crown him Lord of all.”
It is much better to be poor than to be an oppressor; for both the needy and their children find an advocate in the heavenly Solomon, who aims all his blows at haughty ones, and rests not till they are utterly destroyed.


Psa 72:5
“They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure.” And well they may. Such righteousness wins the cheerful homage of the poor and the godly, and strikes dismay into the souls of unrighteous oppressors; so that all through the lands, both good and bad are filled with awe. Where Jesus reigns in power men must render obeisance of some sort. His kingdom, moreover, is no house of cards, or dynasty of days: it is as lasting as the lights of heaven; days and nights will cease before he abdicates his throne. Neither sun nor moon as yet manifest any failure in their radiance, nor are there any signs of decrepitude in the kingdom of Jesus; on the contrary, it is but in its youth, and is evidently the coming power, the rising sun. Would to God that fresh rigour were imparted to all its citizens to push at once the conquests of Immanuel to the uttermost ends of the earth. “Throughout all generations” shall the throne of the Redeemer stand. Humanity shall not wear out the religion of the Incarnate God. No infidelity shall wither it away, nor superstition smother it; it shall rise immortal from what seemed its grave; as the true phoenix, it shall revive from its ashes! As long as there are men on earth Christ shall have a throne among them. Instead of the fathers shall be the children. Each generation shall have a regeneration in its midst, let Pope and Devil do what they may. Even at this hour we have before us the tokens of his eternal power; since he ascended to his throne, eighteen hundred years ago, his dominion has not been overturned, though the mightiest of empires have gone like visions of the night. We see on the shore of time the wrecks of the Caesars, the relics of the Moguls, and the last remnants of the Ottomans. Charlemagne, Maximilian, Napoleon, how they flit like shadows before us! They were and are not; but Jesus for ever is. As for the houses of Hohenzollern, Guelph, or Hapsburg, they have their hour; but the Son of David has all hours and ages as his own.


Psa 72:6
“He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass.” Blessings upon his gentle sway! Those great conquerors who have been the scourges of mankind have fallen like the fiery hail of Sodom, transforming fruitful lands into deserts' but he with mild, benignant influence softly refreshes the weary and wounded among men, and makes them spring up into newness of life. Pastures mown with the scythe, or shorn by the teeth of cattle, present, as it were, so many bleeding stems of grass, but when the rain falls it is balm to all these wounds, and it renews the verdure and beauty of the field; fit image of the visits and benedictions of “the consolation of Israel.” My soul, how well it is for thee to be brought low, and to be even as the meadows eaten bare and trodden down by cattle, for then to thee shall the Lord have respect; he shall remember thy misery, and with his own most precious love restore thee to more than thy former glory. Welcome Jesus, thou true Bien-aimé, the Well-beloved, thou art far more than Titus ever was - the Delight of Mankind. “As showers that water the earth.” Each crystal drop of rain tells of heavenly mercy which forgets not the parched plains: Jesus is all grace, all that he does is love, and his presence among men is joy. We need to preach him more, for no shower can so refresh the nations. Philosophic preaching mocks men as with a dust shower, but the gospel meets the case of fallen humanity, and happiness flourishes beneath its genial power. Come down, O Lord, upon my soul, and my heart shall blossom with thy praise: -
“He shall come down as still and, light
As scatter'd drops on genial field;
And in his time who loves the right,
Freely shall bloom, sweet peace her harvest yield.”


Psa 72:7
“In his days shall the righteous flourish.” Beneath the deadly Upas of unrighteous rule no honest principles can be developed, and good men can scarcely live; but where truth and uprightness are on the throne, the best of men prosper most. A righteous king is the patron and producer of righteous subjects. None flourish under Nero but those who are monsters like himself: like will to like; and under the gentle Jesus the godly find a happy shelter. “And abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.” Where Jesus reigns he is known as the true Melchizedek, king both of righteousness and peace. Peace based upon right is sure to be lasting, but no other will be. Many a so-called Holy Alliance has come to the ground ere many moons have filled their horns, because craft formed the league, perjury established it, and oppression was the design of it; but when Jesus shall proclaim the great Truce of God, he will ordain perpetual peace, and men shall learn war no more. The peace which Jesus brings is not superficial or shortlived; it is abundant in its depth and duration. Let all hearts and voices welcome the King of nations; Jesus the Good, the Great, the Just, the Ever-blessed.

 

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2 hours ago, SUNSHINE16 said:

PSALMS 72

It is a poetic plea for God to bless and guide the king.

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The Holy Spirit enables us to understand the Bible, and he dwells in those who have been saved by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.  Have you ever taken this step and become a follower of Christ?  I often read the Bible before I was saved but I didn't really understand it.  Is it possible that this is the case with you too?

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It's always been said that the best interpretation of the bible is the bible itself . But I don't count that as proof positive that that you can fully understand every word that alights from the pages of the inspired word of God. Many err in page hopping without ever knowing what they are looking for . Beginning at the beginning is an absolute must . Because there is one word that will enter the picture and emerge through out the  entire bible . And that word is ., sin . We have to develop an understanding of sin because ultimately salvation will enter the picture and  reveal God's plan of redemption through our Lord Jesus Christ. Amazingly  , but true , is that God " could have" allowed righteousness to dwell in the place of the opposite which is sin. But reading through the pages of the bible we find that sin is a necessity in the plan and purpose of God . I won't go into that because you would only become confused and possibly lose your interest in pursuing the Word of God.  So the best way to grasp reading and understanding the bible is to Begin at the beginning .    M

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Hey!  Brethren...  PTL, forever!

Is 28:9,10 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? And whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts.  For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little."

 

As mentioned above; scripture proves the scripture,  More than that; the Holy Spirit illuminates the scripture as he will, little by little, increases our knowledge and understanding so that we might grow to spiritual maturity, to walk after the Spirit and to be full of the Spirit and power.  Imagine a huge puzzle hanging on the wall.  Have it slowly fill in, piece by piece.  It takes a while to grasp what the picture is showing, and even then its more of a blurry image that, too slowly for us all, becomes clearer and clearer.  Our differences of opinion regarding the truth is because the Spirit reveals one thing to me and another thing to others and sadly its all too easy to focus on one aspect of the truth to the exclusion of the rest.  What's hard for all of us, is that we are unable to divide between what was revealed to us by the Spirit verses what we learned from man and the truth feels just the same as error does, to the one who believes.  So the scripture has to be the final authority regarding our beliefs and by considering the full council of God or what the entire bible says regarding each topic being considered leads us closer to the complete truth.  But even then:

1 Cor 8:2 "And if any man think that he knoweth anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know."

That's why obedience is better than sacrifice or even accurate doctrines!  Though the more accurate one's doctrines, the better that one should be able to walk in obedience to the Spirit and to grow that much more closer to the Lord in love.

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The Bible is written in codes. You need to understand similitude, adumbration and principles of adumbration to understand most things. 

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On ‎8‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 3:04 PM, SUNSHINE16 said:

Hello everyone, I have a question how do you get and understanding of the bible when your reading it, I was told that it's a message out of every scripture. I read a scripture over and over and  still did not get the message besides what it was saying, but I guess it was more to it then what I wasn't getting.

Every reputable bible comes with additional notes and outlines to attend the various verses within every book and chapter. It's a good beginning ,but never the ending because of the multitude of biblical helps to make your knowledge more enjoyable as you read through Holy Writ.

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6 hours ago, niwe said:

The Bible is written in codes. You need to understand similitude, adumbration and principles of adumbration to understand most things. 

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GULP !!! Whaaaaa ? Codes,,,what codes ?  

 

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21 hours ago, niwe said:

The Bible is written in codes. You need to understand similitude, adumbration and principles of adumbration to understand most things. 

Hello niwe, I see this is your first post. Welcome to CF. I hope you'll enjoy your stay here.

 

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23 hours ago, niwe said:

The Bible is written in codes. You need to understand similitude, adumbration and principles of adumbration to understand most things. 

Nope, I completely disagree. The Bible is written so we can understand who God is, and His love He has for us, by sending His one and only Son Jesus Christ to be our Saviour for those who believe on Him. John 3:16.

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On 8/30/2018 at 1:08 PM, niwe said:

The Bible is written in codes. You need to understand similitude, adumbration and principles of adumbration to understand most things. 

Hope nobody drops down on the ground convulsing from a seizure.

 

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Anyways, I've heard people suggest that the bible was written in code before. Mainly, they refer to Paul's letters which were written while imprisoned and they go on to suggest that he had to placate the jailers in order for his letters to make it past them. The people I've heard make this argument usually have a problem with submitting to magistrates or government authority etc.

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What was Daniel asked to seal??? 

Why did Christ say I speaketh in parables that those that heareth will not understand and why did Peter said to him now you speak to us plainly??  

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One of the most effective ways God spoke to the world through the ministry of the prophets is through a principle called the principle of Adumbration and in the Similitude (Hosea 12:10). “I have also spoken by the prophets and I have multiplied visions and used similitude by the ministry of the prophets”. KJV.

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7 minutes ago, niwe said:

One of the most effective ways God spoke to the world through the ministry of the prophets is through a principle called the principle of Adumbration and in the Similitude (Hosea 12:10). “I have also spoken by the prophets and I have multiplied visions and used similitude by the ministry of the prophets”. KJV.

There are are few books that try to prove that certain current events are encoded in the text. Gematria and Torah Code come to mind. Hours of fun if you've got time to be led up the garden path.

 

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Gematria /ɡəˈmeɪtriə/ (Hebrew: גמטריא‬ גימטריה‬, plural גמטראות‬ or גמטריאות‬, gematriot)[1] are methods of assigning a numerical value to a Hebrew word or phrase based on its letters.

Gematria originated as an Assyro-Babylonian-Greek system of alphanumeric code or cipher that was later adopted into Jewish culture. People who practice gematria believe that words with identical numerical values bear some relation to each other or to the number itself. The number may apply to Nature, a person's age, the calendar year, or the like.[citation needed] A single word can yield multiple values depending on the method used.

Similar systems, some of which were derived from or inspired by Hebrew gematria, have been used in other languages and cultures; for example, Greek isopsephy, Arabic abjad numerals, and English gematria. A well-known example of Hebrew gematria is the word chai ("alive"), which is composed of two letters that (using the assignments in the Mispar gadol table shown below) add up to 18. This has made 18 a "lucky number" among the Jewish people. Gifts of money in multiples of 18 are very popular.[2]

 

 

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The Bible code (Hebrew: הצופן התנ"כי‎, hatzofen hatanachi), also known as the Torah code, is a purported set of secret messages encoded within the Hebrew text of the Torah. This hidden code has been described as a method by which specific letters from the text can be selected to reveal an otherwise obscured message. Although Bible codes have been postulated and studied for centuries, the subject has been popularized in modern times by Michael Drosnin's book The Bible Code and the movie The Omega Code.

Many examples have been documented in the past. One cited example is that by taking every 50th letter of the Book of Genesis starting with the first taw, the Hebrew word "torah" is spelled out. The same happens in the Book of Exodus. Modern computers have been used to search for similar patterns and more complex variants, as well as quantifying its statistical likelihood.

Some tests purportedly showing statistically significant codes in the Bible were published as a "challenging puzzle" in a peer-reviewed academic journal in 1994, and later questioned.

 

 

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Even a small child who can read and understand some very basic English can read John 3:16 and learn that God loves them. That's so basic in teaching the very young their first Bible verse.  But then there are those who try and look so deep that they miss the Gold they step over. Having preached many sermons and currently teaching young children Sunday School, the Bible is not difficult to teach the Bible to anyone who wants to learn.

 

Now there are real gems in the Scriptures that require digging deeply, and certain skills are needed, knowing the languages of the writers, the history of the time period when a book was written.  The most important key to understanding Scripture, is true believers heart that allows the Holy Spirit to teach, correct and convict of sin, and fill each Follower of Jesus Christ life with the Love of Jesus Christ.  No code required for all these things.

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On 8/11/2018 at 8:24 AM, theophilus said:

The Holy Spirit enables us to understand the Bible, and he dwells in those who have been saved by repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.  Have you ever taken this step and become a follower of Christ?  I often read the Bible before I was saved but I didn't really understand it.  Is it possible that this is the case with you too?

So true.

Christians have "the mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:16) which means they possess the Holy Spirit to understand (1 John 2:20).

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The Bible is like a forest. If all you do is stand in front of one tree and analyze the bark you will not see how that tree contributes to the beauty and entirety of the forest. First read the Bible, read Mark, then the remaining Gospels, the rest of the New Testament before the Old Testament. Then do it again in a different translation, maybe even a third, or even fourth go through. God's purpose in Scripture is to Reveal His Love for you to you in a historical context of His Love and Watch Care over His People on this planet earth in the mist of His creation of the heavens and the earth. In all truth there never is any real "understanding" (mental awareness) as much as there is a continual revelation of His Love, His Life, His Will. By Faith we have been saved, not by understanding.

 

So walk about in the Forest of God's Word and let Him reveal to you the secrets of His garden, and do not be surprised when, upon wandering through a grove of trees (verses) where you have been before, suddenly He shows you something you did not "see" the first time. God's "Forest" is alive and vibrant. There is no way any one of us will ever "understand" it all -- nor should we want to, like children first fed bread and milk, it takes time and lots of chewing before we get to the real meat. Do not let yourself get hung up on any portion of scripture, thinking it contains some "magic" message, just keep moving through the Forest and let the Father lead you, He will reveal to your wondering eyes the true depths and meanings of the trees and their relationship to the Whole (and their meaning to you).

 

Remember High School Life Science? Did you have a photo in your Science Book of an apple blossom with a bunch of lines leading out from the cut away view of the blossom explaining what part of the blossom would become what part of the apple? Remember that? The only reason that explanation made any sense was Because You Already KNEW What an Apple Was. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is the Apple . . . get to know the Apple before you read the Old Testament and then you can see (and be shown by the Father) the hidden parts of the trees in the Old Forest that point to the coming of the Apple.

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