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It’s that time of year when some ignorant christians trot out the old accusation that Easter is a pagan festival introduced by the Catholic Church, and quote from the Venerable Bede’s writing in the 7th century that the name derived from the Saxon godess Eostre.

 

Let’s deal with the name first. Was Bede right? The answer is possibly not. There are other theories about the derivation from High German eostarum which derived from the Latin in albis, or the anglo-saxon ostera meaning ‘rise’.

 

Whatever the derivation, it is irrelevant, as it is peculiar to English. In the Catholic Church the proper name for this season is the Latin Pascha (Greek Pascha), which come from the Hebrew Pesach (Passover).

 

The word used in dozens of languages for this time is also based on the Hebrew for Passover, for example Danish, Finnish, French, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Persian, Portuguese, Polish, Russian, Spanish and Swedish. Others are based on the word for Resurrection or other words. None of them concerned with pagan anything.

 

This season is not about bunnies or eggs. It is remembering and celebrating the Last Supper, the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ at Pascha.

 

At the end of the Vigil Mass this year we sang “Thine Be The Glory” a wonderful hymn of triumph.

 

 

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It’s that time of year when some ignorant christians trot out the old accusation that Easter is a pagan festival introduced by the Catholic Church, and quote from the Venerable Bede’s writing in the 7th century that the name derived from the Saxon godess Eostre.

 

Let’s deal with the name first. Was Bede right? The answer is possibly not. There are other theories about the derivation from High German eostarum which derived from the Latin in albis, or the anglo-saxon ostera meaning ‘rise’.

 

Whatever the derivation, it is irrelevant, as it is peculiar to English. In the Catholic Church the proper name for this season is the Latin Pascha (Greek Pascha), which come from the Hebrew Pesach (Passover).

 

The word used in dozens of languages for this time is also based on the Hebrew for Passover, for example Danish, Finnish, French, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Persian, Portuguese, Polish, Russian, Spanish and Swedish. Others are based on the word for Resurrection or other words. None of them concerned with pagan anything.

 

This season is not about bunnies or eggs. It is remembering and celebrating the Last Supper, the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ at Pascha.

 

At the end of the Vigil Mass this year we sang “Thine Be The Glory” a wonderful hymn of triumph.

 

 

You are telling me things I have never heard or read before.

 

That is not to say I accept the equilibrium or equivalency or correlation ---whatever--- which you draw between ‘easter’ and ‘passover’.

 

It being something new to me personally, it might require years of study for me to find out about all information and decide if the equation you have concluded on, is legitimate or not—years I do and will not have.

 

So I have to decide on basis of what you are saying right here, only.

 

And I may say after first glance, If true, it nevertheless raises no questions whatsoever with regard to the Scriptures’ truth, that Jesus Christ after his Last Passover-Suffering in Triumph “rose from the dead ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES ON THE THIRD DAY” of that last passover in his life, “In the fullness of Sabbath’s Day being in the very mid-afternoon of daylight inclining towards the First Day of the week”. “Because Jesus …” through resurrection from the dead “… having entered into his own rest … God thus IN TIMES PAST through the prophets and IN THESE LAST DAYS by the Son spake concerning the Seventh Day : And God the day The Seventh Day from all his works RESTED.”

 

Therefore, if you have planned to deliver a plea on behalf of Sunday sacredness because of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, instead of the Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD, you despite your brave effort, had to fail.

 

 

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The seventh day, Saturday is still the Sabbath Day. Sunday is the Lord's Day, celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Easter is a Christian holiday with a name that comes from pagan background. Passover is what it is, a special Passover from the rest of the year. I am not sure of my facts here, but It started on Thursday night,being Friday after sundown. Jesus was buried Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, having risen that day, making three days. There is a special name for this Passover, but I forget what it is. The word "Easter" is a mistranslation in the KJV, but the day is an holiday... the holiest of holidays, in fact.

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It started on Thursday night,being Friday after sundown. Jesus was buried Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, having risen that day, making three days.

 

That would be, Jesus was crucified on Thursday (two days before the Sabbath??), and that he spent Thursday night through Saturday night in the tomb? That's three nights, but not three full nights as the empty tomb was discovered before night was over. That's two days, calling it three days is a stretch. You have two days and three hours of a third day (Jesus died the 9th hour of a 12 hour daylight period).

 

I believe the correct details are as follows:

 

Jesus died Wednesday afternoon and was entombed Wednesday night. Jesus rose Saturday night. That is three days and three nights. (By Hebrew reckoning, the full days of Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.) Wednesday was the day before a high day sabbath (John 19:31 + Leviticus 23:32, a Jewish holiday sabbath, not a 7th-day sabbath). Jesus rose Saturday night, but the empty tomb wasn't discovered until Sunday morning (making Sunday a legitimate day to celebrate Easter).

 

 

 

 

 

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Three days NT texts 1

 

All these Scriptures are in PERFECT AGREEMENT in every respect :

 

 

Abib 14, Wednesday night and Thursday day = Fifth Day ....

 

1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–

Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

 

1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–

Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

 

1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–

Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30

 

 

. . . . . .

Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

 

2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–

Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.

 

2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–

Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

 

2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

when Joseph and Nicodemus laid the body and closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–

Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42

 

 

. . . . . . .

Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

 

3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–

Lk23:56b

 

3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–

Mt27:62–66

 

3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–

First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–

Mt28:1–4.

 

__________________________________________________ ___

 

Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

 

4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–

that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–

Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

 

4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,

Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

 

4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,

Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);

Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

 

4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),

Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”

Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).

Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.

 

USE BIBLES OF BEFORE THE TWENTIETH CENTURY – they are not as wangled as the later ones. And compare those ancient translations with the modern ones to see the truth of the older ones!

 

 

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Stratcat,

re: "Jesus was buried Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, having risen that day..."

 

How do you account for the 3rd night time that the Messiah said He would be in the "heart of the earth"?

 

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THERE is no day commanded in scripture to be kept holy under the gospel but the Lord’s day, which is the Christian Sabbath. Festival days, vulgarly called Holy-days, having no warrant in the word of God, are not to be continued. Nevertheless, it is lawful and necessary, upon special emergent occasions, to separate a day or days for publick fasting or thanksgiving, as the several eminent and extraordinary dispensations of God’s providence shall administer cause and opportunity to his people.

As no place is capable of any holiness, under pretence of whatsoever dedication or consecration; so neither is it subject to such pollution by any superstition formerly used, and now laid aside, as may render it unlawful or inconvenient for Christians to meet together therein for the publick worship of God. And therefore we hold it requisite, that the places of publick assembling for worship among us should be continued and employed to that use. – Directory of Publick Worship

 

 

 

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~JM~,

re: "THERE is no day commanded in scripture to be kept holy under the gospel but the Lord’s day, which is the Christian Sabbath."

 

If by "Lord's day" you mean the first day of the week, I'm not aware of any scripture which says that it is to be kept holy. What do you have in mind?

 

 

 

 

 

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~JM~,

re: "THERE is no day commanded in scripture to be kept holy under the gospel but the Lord’s day, which is the Christian Sabbath."

 

If by "Lord's day" you mean the first day of the week, I'm not aware of any scripture which says that it is to be kept holy. What do you have in mind?

 

 

 

 

 

I was quoting Directory of Public worship which refers to the command by God to observe rest, the one day in seven principle found in Genesis through Revelation.

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~JM~,

re: "I was quoting Directory of Public worship which refers to the command by God to observe rest, the one day in seven principle found in Genesis through Revelation."

 

 

By "Lord's day" do you mean the first day of the week, and if so, where do you find in Genesis through Revelation that it is commanded to be "kept holy"?

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Stratcat,

re: "Jesus was buried Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, having risen that day..."

 

How do you account for the 3rd night time that the Messiah said He would be in the "heart of the earth"?

 

​The discrepancy is due to the way the Jews counted time. Literalists will likely find it a stumbling block.

 

​Thursday night and Friday day, evening and morning the first day.

Friday night and Saturday day, evening and morning the second day.

Saturday night and Sunday day, evening and morning the third day.

 

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​The discrepancy is due to the way the Jews counted time. Literalists will likely find it a stumbling block.

 

​Thursday night and Friday day, evening and morning the first day.

Friday night and Saturday day, evening and morning the second day.

Saturday night and Sunday day, evening and morning the third day.

 

You need to check who's stumbling. Jesus was crucified on Wednesday evening, and laid in the tomb about sunset. And, three days and three nights later he arose. The empty tomb was discovered early Sunday morning. That may not fit your tradition, but it fits the Bible.

 

I'm perfectly willing to be non-literal, except when being non-literal is unnecessary and irrational. I'm perfectly happy observing the crucifixion on Friday, even though I know it isn't literally the correct day.

 

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The Romans broke the legs of the two others so they would not die on the Sabbath, which was the next day, thus the crucifixion had to be on a Friday.

(see John 19:31-2)

 

 

You should look more closely what you tell me to see. John 19:31 says it was a high day Sabbath. A high day Sabbath is one of seven annual feasts, not a Saturday. V14 explains the crucifixion took place the day before Passover. It was the Thursday Passover Sabbath, not Saturday, which followed the day of Jesus' crucifixion.

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Can you corroborate that with anything? The text does say that particular Sabbath was a special one, but it does not seem to indicate it wasn't also a Saturday.

​Also, Luke 24:1 says it was the first day of the week, which was Sunday, when the women came to the tomb and found it empty.

 

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Can you corroborate that with anything? The text does say that particular Sabbath was a special one, but it does not seem to indicate it wasn't also a Saturday.

​Also, Luke 24:1 says it was the first day of the week, which was Sunday, when the women came to the tomb and found it empty.

 

Friday Apologists insist the Passover fell on Saturday. Can they support that?

 

1) If Passover was on Saturday, John wouldn't have explained that it was a high day sabbath.

 

2) At the time, the Jews hadn't yet developed a fixed calendar. Jewish leaders arbitrarily decided when to start a new year. They wouldn't have chosen to start a new year on any day that would cause the Passover (two weeks into the New Year) to fall on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. Two days in a row of no work would be a hardship. And, having Passover on Saturday would cause one to eclipse the other.

 

3) There are many reasons why Friday doesn't work and many reasons why Wednesday works. For example, the Bible tells us how many days after the Triumphal entry that Jesus was crucified. Friday is too late in the week. John 12:1 Six days before the Passover [five days before the crucifixion], Jesus therefore came to Bethany... 12 The next day [four days before the crucifixion] the large crowd that had come to the feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem. If the Triumphal Entry was Sunday (as per tradition) then the crucifixion was Thursday (four days later). Not only does the math show four days, but there's only four days of events recorded (traditionalists assume a "silent Wednesday" to fill in the space).

 

But, I don't agree with Thursday, either. Tradition requires that Jesus have traveled from Jericho to Bethany on Saturday, but that's too far (at least 15 miles) for a Sabbath day's journey. Therefor, Jesus traveled Friday to Bethany and then the next day went into Jerusalem (right next to Bethany). Then four days later, Wednesday, he was crucified.

 

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This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then he took it down and wrapped it in a linen shroud and laid him in a tomb cut in stone, where no one had ever yet been laid. It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed and saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments.

 

On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.

(Luke 23:52-56 ESV)

 

Jesus was buried just as the Sabbath was beginning. The women prepared spices and ointments after watching the burial and then they rested on the Sabbath. These must have been two different Sabbaths.

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Which day or days belong to God?

 

"This is the day that which the Lord has made; we will rejoice and be glad in it" Psalm 118:21

 

​Which ones do not?

 

If one of us wants to set aside a special day to remember God as they did in the OT, that is not an evil so long as God is remembered all of the rest of the time as well. What day of the 7 named week days did God come into your heart? I suspect there is not one day of the seven that we name which has not been the day this walk with God started for someone? How important is that to such a person?

 

Holidays? That means "holy days", does it not? ... and I know there are probably several people on this forum who know what "holy" means.

 

Is not today then one of God's holy days, whatever day it happens to be?

 

I am not against holidays as men usually presently decide holidays, but all days are God's and we are God's. The current expression that many people use fits here. The time to give it all to God is 24/7.

 

Another expression says that we are living on 'borrowed time'. Well I wouldn't called it "borrowed", but we are at best only stewards 24/7 of what God has given us until we have inherited. [What do any of us have that God did not provide?]Have any of us inherited yet... or are we still working on our stewardship?

 

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OK, just so it's understood that there is no scripture that refers to any day of the week, much less the first day of the week, as the Lord's Day.

 

The regulative principle of worship states that the corporate worship of God is to be founded upon specific directions of Scripture. The "Lord's day" or "day of the Lord" is an expression familiar by first century Christians, and a day held ever since as a day to come together, break bread, and make offerings Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2. Whether one follows the Regulative or Normative Principles of Worship, asking whether we should worship on Saturday or Sunday is answered clearly in the Scripture. Worship services are to model the New Testament example by being held on the Lord’s Day - the first day of the week. If one were to take great liberty with the Scriptures, then it could be said, you're free to worship on any day of the week, as long as you come together on the Lord's day.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

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William,

re: "...asking whether we should worship on Saturday or Sunday is answered clearly in the Scripture. Worship services are to model the New Testament example by being held on the Lord’s Day - the first day of the week."

 

 

Actually, as far as the Bible is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again getting together on the first. And those 2 scriptures say nothing about a worship service or day of rest as the reason for getting together.

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William,

re: "...asking whether we should worship on Saturday or Sunday is answered clearly in the Scripture. Worship services are to model the New Testament example by being held on the Lord’s Day - the first day of the week."

 

 

Actually, as far as the Bible is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again getting together on the first. And those 2 scriptures say nothing about a worship service or day of rest as the reason for getting together.

 

As far as Scripture is concerned, the word Bible is never mentioned. My answer was based on either the Regulative or Normative principals, and no, you won't find those terms in Scripture, along with other theological terminology. When you say, "there is never any mention of them ever again getting together on the first", I received that as suggesting no assembly actually followed what was stated in Scripture - 1 Corinthians 16:2.

 

God bless,

William

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Actually, as far as the Bible is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again getting together on the first. And those 2 scriptures say nothing about a worship service or day of rest as the reason for getting together.

 

I have no objection to following tradition as long as it's not equated with doctrine nor contradicts doctrine. I'll keep attending Sunday church. And, I'll attend Good Friday services, as well.

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