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Bull of the Woods

Sad cover-up of churches

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Bull of the Woods
12 minutes ago, godsquadgeek said:

two from yesterdays post, and more from today.  It's not hard to count if you actually read what is posted.   And these are not teachers these are people who run the union to protect teachers.  These are leaders of teachers, which is far worse than the numerous crimes teachers are committing, these people defend the teachers and help them get lawyers and defend "the worst" of people. 

Oh it's terrible. Just figuring out how numerous. There are Protestant churches along with the catholic where this happens too.

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2 hours ago, Bull of the Woods said:

Oh it's terrible. Just figuring out how numerous. There are Protestant churches along with the catholic where this happens too.

Yes there are.....are you trying to suggest there is a difference between whether it is secular or governmental schools?  I mean, I always thought a crime was a crime......Are you suggesting they are not prosecuted equally?

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2 hours ago, Bull of the Woods said:

Oh it's terrible. Just figuring out how numerous. There are Protestant churches along with the catholic where this happens too.

yes, true but having leaders defend it, is the problem.  You don't see christian leaders defending sexual promiscuity.  But here we have numerous examples of people of influence defending teachers who use drugs, have sex with students, and cover up to the best of their ability any other sin they can.  It's actually how unions work. It's one of the downfalls of unions.  They have to protect everyone regardless of their moral compasses.  But here in these video's it sounded like teachers representative was proud to do it.  Which is a whole other class of evil. 

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Bull of the Woods
50 minutes ago, Civilwarbuff said:

Yes there are.....are you trying to suggest there is a difference between whether it is secular or governmental schools?  I mean, I always thought a crime was a crime......Are you suggesting they are not prosecuted equally?

No. I don't see how that could be inferred from what I wrote. What I am thinking is if the point of the thread was to put emphasis on public schools as if the danger is sequestered there. I hear cases of church situations of the abuse in schools and and coverup of youth leaders, teachers and pastors.

Though I doubt anyone would defend it in that setting.

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Bull of the Woods
5 hours ago, Civilwarbuff said:

The danger is largely in the public schools.  The number of public school teachers and students vastly outnumber parochial schools.  And there is also the fact the public school teachers have the protection of their unions with them being able to drag out these issues almost interminably.  Parochial teachers are generally not unionized and are employees at will (I think that is the phrase).

I think in some cases there are coverups in church type settings. They don't want to see the church's reputation go down the tubes. Sometimes they quietly have the offender leave. I remember long ago a person left one and repeated in another place because the first church didn't want to write a bad reference. 

That may be very rare. But these things happen.

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godsquadgeek
5 hours ago, Bull of the Woods said:

No. I don't see how that could be inferred from what I wrote. What I am thinking is if the point of the thread was to put emphasis on public schools as if the danger is sequestered there. I hear cases of church situations of the abuse in schools and and coverup of youth leaders, teachers and pastors.

Though I doubt anyone would defend it in that setting.

Yes church controversy is its own topic and should be addressed in its own thread but the above video shows teachers unions negotiating a firing of sexual molester teachers and essentially getting him a 50,000 dollar settlement.  Paid to molest and go away.  No firing, and no revoking of certification.  That is far more dangerous than one in 1000 church leaders involved in the same thing.  The whole purpose of the thread is the defense of this criminal activity.

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2 minutes ago, Bull of the Woods said:

I think in some cases there are coverups in church type settings. They don't want to see the church's reputation go down the tubes. Sometimes they quietly have the offender leave. I remember long ago a person left one and repeated in another place because the first church didn't want to write a bad reference. 

That may be very rare. But these things happen.

Hearsay.  And gossip of Christian brothers.

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35 minutes ago, Bull of the Woods said:

I think in some cases there are coverups in church type settings.

You think?  Really?  And because 'you think' there may be some coverups in religious schools that makes it OK to equate these occurrences at the same level in public schools?  Without evidence? 

I have to admit Bull, I am disappointed in you.  It seems the more you post the less you come across as being what you claim you are......

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Bull of the Woods
1 minute ago, Civilwarbuff said:

You think?  Really?  And because 'you think' there may be some coverups in religious schools that makes it OK to equate these occurrences at the same level in public schools?  Without evidence? 

I have to admit Bull, I am disappointed in you.  It seems the more you post the less you come across as being what you claim you are......

Well obviously you would have such high standards. 

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44 minutes ago, godsquadgeek said:

After I asked you to stay on topic, you Google search something that no one is questioning.  This is why we stay on topic.  What was asked for you to think about in your own thread is to find religious people who are defending sexual abuse, which is the exact topic of the thread in the context of US teachers being defended.  Not only this but your example commits a biased sample.  One in a thousand churches have sexual abuse in their ranks (Christian churches that is).  But that does not keep you away from slandering the Lord's name you love.  The Bible says when we talk against his church we talk against Him.  You are really accusing Jesus of sexual molestation in your gossip of other believers because they happen to be again, one in a thousand.  So you should be ashamed of yourself and embarrassed  by your presumption, to think the majority of Christians are molestors.  Which is the only possible reason to post that here.  Everyone knows one in a thousand are committing various crimes, but why post it here.  You must believe the majority is guilty.  But all this to say, please post your response on your own thread or you will be reported.

 

WHOA

DON'T try to fabricate that I EVER said anything like a majority of churches harbor molesters.

That can not be construed. The truth is that churches are inhabited by humans. And sometimes they do bad things. And sometimes wolves in sheeps clothing fool people and wind up with positions that give them access where they should not.

Don't make up stories about something I never wrote.

And actually I have a love for churches. It's easier to love Some than others. And when wolves or a Christian who has failed does something terrible THAT hurts the reputation of Churches and Christ. 

Scripture is full of references to His Name and how He wants nothing to mar it. It was said to Israel over and over. I think the concept goes with the church. I would LOVE to know no evil ever happens in churches. I think most try hard to be honorable and safe.

But sometimes sin happens.

 

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Oh so anyway the reason I added in the part about the fact that abuse can happen in places other than schools, including churches and I think I mentioned sports activities, was because the issue is a human sin problem. I would hope it happens much less in churches than elsewhere percentage wise and real numbers. But I honestly thought it would help frame the issue to not ignore that abuse happens in places other than schools.

But again it was never intended to be a criticism of churches as a whole. I am in one myself along with family that includes dear grandchildren. You think I would have them there if I thought it likely they would be abused?

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This thread has been split off a similar thread. Please keep to topic. 

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