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Dr. James White and his friendship with Dr. Michael Brown

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JoeyH

I am genuinely interested in how Dr. White's supporters (I am still one, despite the following entry) view this issue. 

 

This is a topic of great frustration for me personally. I am saying upfront I am extremely grateful for Alpha and Omega Ministries. It has done so much to educate me and release me from last bondage of Roman Catholic Church. I trust  Dr. James White's teachings on Christian apologetics and have always admired his courtesy to all people he has debated and communicated with. He has the highest standards of both debating skills and politeness to his opponents that I am aware of in both his Youtube clips and websites. 

 

That being said, as an extreme EX hyper-Charismatic I am extremely disappointed that he is endorsing Dr. Michael Brown's book on today's radio show. Dr. Brown has been proved by both polite Christian polemics experts AND other extreme bloggers to be extremely flexible with the truth, refusing to name nearly all the shameless charlatans via misuse of Matthew 18:15-18, Matthew 7:1-5 and ignoring the apostle Paul's example in Galatians 2:11-14, publically exposing apostle Peter when he was in serious error. 

 

On Hillsongchurchwatch (now Churchwatchcentral****) Michael Brown's name started popping up as a supporter of Hillsong frequently, making excuses for their poor conduct and taking their excuses blindly. Hillsong was proven by secular newspapers to be doing what Michael Brown minimised and made loopholes for the undiscerning Christian/s.

One example:  http://www.hallels.com/articles/15483/20160603/hillsong-church-criticized-over-the-appearance-of-the-naked-cowboy.htm 

an exceptionally weak rebuke in response https://askdrbrown.org/library/when-hillsong-offends-naked-cowboy.

 

There are other less obvious ones, but together they make a pattern. In practice, Michael Brown puts Unity before Truth, Charismatics before Christians. On paper/ websites he appears orthodox. So I genuinely feel great disappointment that one of the Christian apologists whom I admire the most is choosing to ignore the warnings about Michael Brown because he keeps to the Nicene Creed + doctrines of Faith Only etc.

 

I wish some polemicists' words hadn't been so tactless and downright abusive. I understand why Dr White chooses to ignore those opponents' words on principle now. However right now I feel like I need to treat his words with almost as most caution as Dr. Piper's because this particular blind spot has become massive due to his long-term friendship with Dr. Brown.  

 

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**** I know those are the ones which Dr Michael refuses to name. I used to contribute to comments (WITH EVIDENCE to answer the Hillsongees) "below the line" before they went "no comment" (some commenters became so abusive IMO the blog did the right thing). The reasons why names of contributors are not given is due to Australia's surprisingly strong censorship/ freedom to sue for offensive statements (whether true or not) compared to most western countries. It is not "gutlessness" as he claims. 

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When Michael Brown appeared on Benny Hinn I thought the same thing.

 

However Michael Brown is not someone I look towards for theology because he is Arminian. I never listened to his apologetics mainly because he is so wrong on the Christian essentials (soteriology).

 

James White is someone I have turned to especially when trying to make sense of Greek. I know that he received much flogging over his association with Brown after appearing on Hinn.

 

God bless,

William

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I think one has to be careful here......I am not a 'supporter' of James White, but I do appreciate his ministry and I enjoy listening to him when I have the time - however lets be careful that we don't, "throw out the baby with the bathwater." James White has criticized Brown for certain things (and he has debated Brown on soteriological issues) 

 

The thing is Brown and White have thought many of the same battles, and Brown's expertise is certain areas is phenomenal - his understanding of Judaism provides valuable insights into the text of scripture. I think there is mutual respect and admiration between the two despite their differences (and as Christians that is how it should be) but Dr White, has never (to my knowledge) given a blanket endorsement to Dr Brown. 

 

Personally I have no issue with this friendship - what a person needs though is discernment to be able to take what is good out of Brown's works and leave the dross behind - sadly I doubt all believers are able to do that today - but I imagine most of those who listen to the Dividing line regularly are.        

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So in your opinion,  listeners to James White are already familiar enough with Christian Theology, and therefore will not become Charismatics if they do decide to read Michael Brown's material/ listen to his shows?

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9 hours ago, JoeyH said:

So in your opinion,  listeners to James White are already familiar enough with Christian Theology, and therefore will not become Charismatics if they do decide to read Michael Brown's material/ listen to his shows?

I can't speak for everyone - but the format of his show doesn't lend itself to shallow thinkers in my opinion. 

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