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A story from the apparently (in)famous Pulpit and Pen blog got me thinking: http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/04/25/southern-baptists-tainted-reports-freemasonry-1993-2000/

 

It jogged a memory of mine. When I was a preteen or young teenager I actually read a Christian apologetics book which revealed the beliefs of the Upper Levels of Freemasonry (30th level onwards). I have also read similar statements on Freemasonry on other Christian websites which state exactly the same things.

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I have even found classic books on the public library about this matter. See http://www.archive.org. They are easily found by Christians familiar with the relevant terminology so that is not what I am addressing here.

 

What shocked me is that Baptist churches in USA actually tolerate, even defend their pastors/ people on church boards being Freemasons. If I discovered that a church pastor was a Freemason I would not attend that church ever again. In the Age of the Internet I would do my best to warn other Christians from attending that church as well!!!!

 

What do other Baptists think about this matter? I am honestly horrified.

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I'm not a Baptist, but I would be out the door if I were in a church whoe pastor is a mason, but I might try bringing it up with other members first to have him thrown out.

 

It could be the majority of those people who defend free masonry are in fact free masons. It's sounds like the SBC needs to do a little cleaning house.

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I agree with your suggestion for Christians in that uncomfortable situation to approach their pastor etc first to find out exactly who is involved in Freemasonry and what the pastor etc is going to do about it.

 

I am making the assumption it has been proven beyond all doubt that the people in authority are directly involved in Freemasonry/ tolerating Freemasons in their mindst.

 

I am also aware that a female church member like myself is morely likely to be dismissed than a concerned male.

 

 

 

 

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I agree that Pulpit and Pen's material needs to be considered with caution. However despite its vitriol I have never noticed any inaccuracies on specifics topics I do know about at all.

 

How about an ex-Freemason's website? http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm The pastor's testimony mentions Masons in his church.

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I agree that Pulpit and Pen's material needs to be considered with caution. However despite its vitriol I have never noticed any inaccuracies on specifics topics I do know about at all.

 

I have - in regards to my acquaintance James White! Much of what they have said is both factually inaccurate and vitriolic - it is a 'ministry' to be avoided.

 

How about an ex-Freemason's website? http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm The pastor's testimony mentions Masons in his church.

 

I don't know enough about the the SBC to comment on his experience - however the easy believism, altar calls, and the need to report numbers does lend itself to unregenerate church memberships - so why wouldn't there be free masons in such places?

 

 

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JoeyH

You are blessed to know James White. I have found Alpha and Omega's Ministry very helpful in removing last traces of my Roman Catholic upbringing. I admire his ability to remain cordial to all people he debates with especially. I have done my best to follow his example in my own online interactions.

 

My history as an ex-Charismatic has made me hypervigilant to Charismatics of "all ranks". They have a specific way of communicating that is not immediately obvious to non-Charismatics. What they *omit* is as revealing as what non-Charismatics say. It is hard to record what is not said. Pulpit and Pen has been 100% correct on Hillsong.

 

I doubt that right now James White want to listen to/ read any discernment ministries' blogs and shows thanks to Pulpit and Pen. *end rant*

 

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I am a relative newcomer to Baptist churches (since 2011). Here in Australia I am aware of Baptist Union churches and Independent ones.

 

It looks like there is some disagreement on Freemasonry amongst Protestants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_Freemasonry_and_Christianity#Protestantism

The 1993 report is mentioned.

 

Maybe it is time for Protestants to clearly state to become/ remain a church member, a Freemason has to repent and publically revoke all ties to this false religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You are blessed to know James White. I have found Alpha and Omega's Ministry very helpful in removing last traces of my Roman Catholic upbringing. I admire his ability to remain cordial to all people he debates with especially. I have done my best to follow his example in my own online interactions.

 

To be clear - he is an acquaintance - I doubt he remembers my name! We first met when I was in seminary and he came over to guest lecture.

 

My history as an ex-Charismatic has made me hypervigilant to Charismatics of "all ranks". They have a specific way of communicating that is not immediately obvious to non-Charismatics. What they *omit* is as revealing as what non-Charismatics say. It is hard to record what is not said. Pulpit and Pen has been 100% correct on Hillsong.

 

It is often the acse that what a person doesn't say/ teach is important as what they do.

 

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I am a relative newcomer to Baptist churches (since 2011). Here in Australia I am aware of Baptist Union churches and Independent ones.

 

I am even less familiar with the situation in Australia regarding churches - most of what i know about the Aussies is based on Rugby League :RpS_thumbsup:

 

It looks like there is some disagreement on Freemasonry amongst Protestants. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rela...#Protestantism

The 1993 report is mentioned.

 

Maybe it is time for Protestants to clearly state to become/ remain a church member, a Freemason has to repent and publically revoke all ties to this false religion.

 

Well that would certainly be the case in the circles I move in already :RpS_thumbup:

 

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Just Mike

As a pastor I never had ar was asked by a Mason be on any board, or teach Sunday School. I was not aware of any Mason joining any church I was pastor of either. Masons are a cult! I took a open stand against the Mason's. I have videos that are taken of their secret meetings and their services.

The Masons are a religion. I find being a Mason and a Christian incompatible.

 

But girls and women are not left out of the cult, Job's Daughter's and Daughter's of the American Revolution are all connected to Mason's.

 

Shriner's are Masons! The Shriner's support a children's hospital. I still will not give or support the Masons in anyway whatsoever! Masons, ans Shriner's are a CULT!

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I agree with your suggestion for Christians in that uncomfortable situation to approach their pastor etc first to find out exactly who is involved in Freemasonry and what the pastor etc is going to do about it.

 

I am making the assumption it has been proven beyond all doubt that the people in authority are directly involved in Freemasonry/ tolerating Freemasons in their mindst.

 

I am also aware that a female church member like myself is morely likely to be dismissed than a concerned male.

 

 

 

Daughter's of the American Revolution are the women's side of Mason's. Job's Daughters are for young ladies. All introduce young and older ladies into the Mason;'s cult.

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A story from the apparently (in)famous Pulpit and Pen blog got me thinking: http://pulpitandpen.org/2018/04/25/southern-baptists-tainted-reports-freemasonry-1993-2000/

 

It jogged a memory of mine. When I was a preteen or young teenager I actually read a Christian apologetics book which revealed the beliefs of the Upper Levels of Freemasonry (30th level onwards). I have also read similar statements on Freemasonry on other Christian websites which state exactly the same things.

.

I have even found classic books on the public library about this matter. See http://www.archive.org. They are easily found by Christians familiar with the relevant terminology so that is not what I am addressing here.

 

What shocked me is that Baptist churches in USA actually tolerate, even defend their pastors/ people on church boards being Freemasons. If I discovered that a church pastor was a Freemason I would not attend that church ever again. In the Age of the Internet I would do my best to warn other Christians from attending that church as well!!!!

 

What do other Baptists think about this matter? I am honestly horrified.

 

That is very alarming I agree. It is smart to avoid those churches as much as you can as you stated.

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As a pastor I never had ar was asked by a Mason be on any board, or teach Sunday School. I was not aware of any Mason joining any church I was pastor of either. Masons are a cult! I took a open stand against the Mason's. I have videos that are taken of their secret meetings and their services.

The Masons are a religion. I find being a Mason and a Christian incompatible.

 

But girls and women are not left out of the cult, Job's Daughter's and Daughter's of the American Revolution are all connected to Mason's.

 

Shriner's are Masons! The Shriner's support a children's hospital. I still will not give or support the Masons in anyway whatsoever! Masons, ans Shriner's are a CULT!

 

Yeah, they are an evil cult for sure.

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Just Mike
I agree that Pulpit and Pen's material needs to be considered with caution. However despite its vitriol I have never noticed any inaccuracies on specifics topics I do know about at all.

 

I have - in regards to my acquaintance James White! Much of what they have said is both factually inaccurate and vitriolic - it is a 'ministry' to be avoided.

 

How about an ex-Freemason's website? http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm The pastor's testimony mentions Masons in his church.

 

I don't know enough about the the SBC to comment on his experience - however the easy believism, altar calls, and the need to report numbers does lend itself to unregenerate church memberships - so why wouldn't there be free masons in such places?

 

I went to college with James White. I watch him on occasion, he has an interesting YouTube program.

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I agree that Pulpit and Pen's material needs to be considered with caution. However despite its vitriol I have never noticed any inaccuracies on specifics topics I do know about at all.

 

How about an ex-Freemason's website? http://www.ephesians5-11.org/stoney.htm The pastor's testimony mentions Masons in his church.

 

Great to see their are pastors out there like this that have the guts to stand up against masonry in the church.

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What shocked me is that Baptist churches in USA actually tolerate, even defend their pastors/ people on church boards being Freemasons.

What do other Baptists think about this matter?

Hi @JoeyH, as a person who identifies as Baptist I have to say that I think Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. To the extent one is involved in Freemasonry (or other similar secret societies) I think it indicates one is not really understanding and committed to the tenets of Christianity. As regards Baptist churches accepting Masons, one of the things Baptist churches have in common is a large degree of independence. I think any group can call themselves a Baptist church, no matter how crazy they are. There are a great many good ones, I'm sure the majority are, but we have a few that are not so good.

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Hi @JoeyH, as a person who identifies as Baptist I have to say that I think Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. To the extent one is involved in Freemasonry (or other similar secret societies),...

 

I agree totally. They are not compatible at all. One is the worship of the risen Lord and the other the worship of the devil.

 

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What shocked me is that Baptist churches in USA actually tolerate, even defend their pastors/ people on church boards being Freemasons.

What do other Baptists think about this matter?

Hi @JoeyH, as a person who identifies as Baptist I have to say that I think Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. To the extent one is involved in Freemasonry (or other similar secret societies) I think it indicates one is not really understanding and committed to the tenets of Christianity. As regards Baptist churches accepting Masons, one of the things Baptist churches have in common is a large degree of independence. I think any group can call themselves a Baptist church, no matter how crazy they are. There are a great many good ones, I'm sure the majority are, but we have a few that are not so good.

I wonder if most Freemasons don't understand the difference between Freemasonry and sports clubs, especially if they are low levels. To my understanding, a local Baptist church's lack of accountability to any higher authority is a positive thing except for in-house matters like this.

 

Let's say there is a local church may have Freemasons in authority who will not be budged. What option is there for Baptists who have cannot attend another Baptist church for whatever reason?

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JoeyH
As a pastor I never had ar was asked by a Mason be on any board, or teach Sunday School. I was not aware of any Mason joining any church I was pastor of either. Masons are a cult! I took a open stand against the Mason's. I have videos that are taken of their secret meetings and their services.

The Masons are a religion. I find being a Mason and a Christian incompatible.

 

But girls and women are not left out of the cult, Job's Daughter's and Daughter's of the American Revolution are all connected to Mason's.

 

Shriner's are Masons! The Shriner's support a children's hospital. I still will not give or support the Masons in anyway whatsoever! Masons, ans Shriner's are a CULT!

I have never known any people who call themselves Freemasons. Is it information they happily tell, they volunteer only when asked, or try to hide - even lie about?

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Just Mike
As a pastor I never had ar was asked by a Mason be on any board, or teach Sunday School. I was not aware of any Mason joining any church I was pastor of either. Masons are a cult! I took a open stand against the Mason's. I have videos that are taken of their secret meetings and their services.

The Masons are a religion. I find being a Mason and a Christian incompatible.

 

But girls and women are not left out of the cult, Job's Daughter's and Daughter's of the American Revolution are all connected to Mason's.

 

Shriner's are Masons! The Shriner's support a children's hospital. I still will not give or support the Masons in anyway whatsoever! Masons, ans Shriner's are a CULT!

Their cars and trucks have round baseball sized decorations telling what degree mason they are.

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Just Mike

At times a new Pastor is called, he has no idea if there are Masons in the church. If and when he finds out, he just might find they are big financial givers and they just might let him know that. This can be a threat and if he makes and issue of them being a Mason he could all of a sudden find he has been fired.

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What shocked me is that Baptist churches in USA actually tolerate, even defend their pastors/ people on church boards being Freemasons.

What do other Baptists think about this matter?

Hi @JoeyH, as a person who identifies as Baptist I have to say that I think Freemasonry is not compatible with Christianity. To the extent one is involved in Freemasonry (or other similar secret societies) I think it indicates one is not really understanding and committed to the tenets of Christianity. As regards Baptist churches accepting Masons, one of the things Baptist churches have in common is a large degree of independence. I think any group can call themselves a Baptist church, no matter how crazy they are. There are a great many good ones, I'm sure the majority are, but we have a few that are not so good.

"I think any group can call themselves a Baptist church, no matter how crazy they are."

 

The existence of Westboro Baptist Church is evidence that this is true.

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At times a new Pastor is called, he has no idea if there are Masons in the church. If and when he finds out, he just might find they are big financial givers and they just might let him know that. This can be a threat and if he makes and issue of them being a Mason he could all of a sudden find he has been fired.

 

Yeah, there are some that it appears are infiltrators of the church.

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Just Mike

Besides Masons, we have adulterers, porn watchers, liars, thieves, and the list goes on and on. I would say if the Gospel of Jesus Christ is truly being preached some just might get saved. What do ya think?

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Church is a hospital for sinners and it does not matter what your 'illness' may be.......Hearing the Gospel is good medicine for it.

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Psa 40:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry.

Psa 40:2 He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

Psa 40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD.

Psa 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.

 

 

We are not all in the same horrible pit.

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