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Where do IFB, KJV only churches usually stand on this matter? The pastor of the church I have attended for years sometimes sounds very sympathetic towards Calvinism except on Limited Atonement doctrine.

 

 

 

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There is ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Holy Spirit Baptism, ONE God and Father of us all. There is ONE key to embracing it, found in Romans 10:8-13, echoed in Romans 8:1, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 5:24. Why O Why O Why O do we continue to ask questions?

 

May I offer a suggestion, an end-all to end all?

https://www.facebook.com/don.watson.90226628

 

Read it all, top to bottom. :RpS_love:

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Where do IFB, KJV only churches usually stand on this matter? The pastor of the church I have attended for years sometimes sounds very sympathetic towards Calvinism except on Limited Atonement doctrine.

 

 

 

Hi JoeyH,

 

Calvinism does not necessarily mean Reformed. Reformed umbrellas multiple theologies which does include Calvinism but it is possible for one to be a Calvinist and not Reformed. In other words one can be Baptist and Calvinist but not Reformed.

 

Does the church have a confession of faith? If so, does the confession of faith align with Calvinist soteriology? If so, does the church align with the confession it professes?

 

Limited atonement is usually the most controversial point in the 5 Points of Calvinism. Calvinist strictly speaking consider anything less than 5 Points to be nothing more than a confused Arminian. In other words, it is 5 Points or nothing.

 

And from my observation, "independent" churches sometimes only have the church government in common with the denomination they are labeled. For example, an Independent Baptist church may be congregational in government but have nothing to do or little resemblance to the actual doctrines associated with the denomination in question.

 

In Presbyterianism I belong to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church - I am Reformed. Presbyterian is our form of church government. It is possible for Presbyterian churches to be Presbyterian but not Reformed in Theology. I am however Reformed which means: catholic, Protestant (5 solas), Systematic, Calvinist, Covenant, Cessationist, Amillennialist, as well as Creedal and Confessional.

 

Lastly, from my experience engaging Baptist, Calvinism is a rarity among American Baptist. Though there are various publications suggesting that Calvinism is once again making a come back in the Baptist denomination by being the predominant soteriology held among the staff in its seminaries.

 

God bless,

William

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Where do IFB, KJV only churches usually stand on this matter? The pastor of the church I have attended for years sometimes sounds very sympathetic towards Calvinism except on Limited Atonement doctrine.

 

If a person denies limited atonement they are not a Calvinist

 

To my understanding most IFB, 'KJV only' churches are anti lordship, dispenstaional and pelagian (it isn't proper to discuss then Calvinistic/ arminian terms for that is an in house discussion among the reformed) - however because these churches are independent it is entirely possible that individual congregations are more 'sympathetic' to some teachings then others

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There is ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Holy Spirit Baptism, ONE God and Father of us all. There is ONE key to embracing it, found in Romans 10:8-13, echoed in Romans 8:1, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 5:24. Why O Why O Why O do we continue to ask questions?

 

May I offer a suggestion, an end-all to end all?

https://www.facebook.com/don.watson.90226628

 

Read it all, top to bottom. :RpS_love:

I never joined Facebook as it never interested me. If you can cut-and-paste that entry (as much or little as you like) I would appreciate it. :RpS_smile:

 

 

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Hi JoeyH,

 

Calvinism does not necessarily mean Reformed. Reformed umbrellas multiple theologies which does include Calvinism but it is possible for one to be a Calvinist and not Reformed. In other words one can be Baptist and Calvinist but not Reformed.

 

Does the church have a confession of faith? If so, does the confession of faith align with Calvinist soteriology? If so, does the church align with the confession it professes?

 

Limited atonement is usually the most controversial point in the 5 Points of Calvinism. Calvinist strictly speaking consider anything less than 5 Points to be nothing more than a confused Arminian. In other words, it is 5 Points or nothing.

 

And from my observation, "independent" churches sometimes only have the church government in common with the denomination they are labeled. For example, an Independent Baptist church may be congregational in government but have nothing to do or little resemblance to the actual doctrines associated with the denomination in question.

 

In Presbyterianism I belong to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church - I am Reformed. Presbyterian is our form of church government. It is possible for Presbyterian churches to be Presbyterian but not Reformed in Theology. I am however Reformed which means: catholic, Protestant (5 solas), Systematic, Calvinist, Covenant, Cessationist, Amillennialist, as well as Creedal and Confessional.

 

Lastly, from my experience engaging Baptist, Calvinism is a rarity among American Baptist. Though there are various publications suggesting that Calvinism is once again making a come back in the Baptist denomination by being the predominant soteriology held among the staff in its seminaries.

 

God bless,discussing

William

My church is currently going through its statement of faith. The major issue they are discussing is the role of pastor, deacons and church board. This process started approx 1 year ago and nothing has been formalised yet. To my understanding the pastor and other people in official leadership will be making decisions. No votes by a church board etc.

 

It is a very small church. Including children there are 50 people attending most weeks. The pastor went from part time to full time pastor only several years ago. He has no formal theological training or academic training of any variety either.

 

it was challenging for me, going from a big city church to a tiny town one, but once I got more used to his style I realised his biblical knowledge is extremely good and he is especially gifted in explaining the bible to young people.

 

I listened to a great deal of preachers online while I was unable to attend any church for years. That is what gradually moved me more and more towards my understanding of reformed theology which is still in early stages.

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There's only two IFB, KJV only churches I know of, both are clear that they hate Calvinism by thier own words. But I doubt they're good examples of IFBs.

 

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If a person denies limited atonement they are not a Calvinist

 

To my understanding most IFB, 'KJV only' churches are anti lordship, dispenstaional and pelagian (it isn't proper to discuss then Calvinistic/ arminian terms for that is an in house discussion among the reformed) - however because these churches are independent it is entirely possible that individual congregations are more 'sympathetic' to some teachings then others

That is why my pastor confuses me at times. The church is a KJV only, pre-millenial, dispensationalist one.

 

Without using all the theological terminology:

 

The pastor preaches like he believes in election, perseverance of the saints, total depravity, unconditional election.... then is anti-limited atonement.

His conduct and preaching focuses on justification AND sanctification. He also sounds like he is very PRO-Lordship.

 

I have (reluctantly I must admit) come to the Limited Atonement position. The more I read the Gospel of John the more I saw that God chooses his own etc, despite loving the world. When relevant John 3:16 is used by him and guest preachers against Limited Atonement.

 

To me anyway, there is a lot of contradiction which I find challenging at times.

 

 

 

 

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That is why my pastor confuses me at times. The church is a KJV only, pre-millenial, dispensationalist one.

 

Without using all the theological terminology:

 

The pastor preaches like he believes in election, perseverance of the saints, total depravity, unconditional election.... then is anti-limited atonement.

His conduct and preaching focuses on justification AND sanctification. He also sounds like he is very PRO-Lordship.

 

I have (reluctantly I must admit) come to the Limited Atonement position. The more I read the Gospel of John the more I saw that God chooses his own etc, despite loving the world. When relevant John 3:16 is used by him and guest preachers against Limited Atonement.

 

To me anyway, there is a lot of contradiction which I find challenging at times.

 

 

 

You should deffinitly have a talk with your preacher, sometime preachers don't use the terms correctly. Some think you become elect after coming to faith and repentance.

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That is why my pastor confuses me at times. The church is a KJV only, pre-millenial, dispensationalist one.

 

Without using all the theological terminology:

 

The pastor preaches like he believes in election, perseverance of the saints, total depravity, unconditional election.... then is anti-limited atonement.

His conduct and preaching focuses on justification AND sanctification. He also sounds like he is very PRO-Lordship.

 

I have (reluctantly I must admit) come to the Limited Atonement position. The more I read the Gospel of John the more I saw that God chooses his own etc, despite loving the world. When relevant John 3:16 is used by him and guest preachers against Limited Atonement.

 

To me anyway, there is a lot of contradiction which I find challenging at times.

 

 

There is, within many believers, a blessed inconsistency - the heart is often more reformed then the mind :RpS_thumbup:

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Dok
There is ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Holy Spirit Baptism, ONE God and Father of us all. There is ONE key to embracing it, found in Romans 10:8-13, echoed in Romans 8:1, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 5:24. Why O Why O Why O do we continue to ask questions?

 

May I offer a suggestion, an end-all to end all?

https://www.facebook.com/don.watson.90226628

 

Read it all, top to bottom. :RpS_love:

I never joined Facebook as it never interested me. If you can cut-and-paste that entry (as much or little as you like) I would appreciate it. :RpS_smile:

 

Just click on the highlighted Redirecting link. It is all there.

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There is ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Holy Spirit Baptism, ONE God and Father of us all. There is ONE key to embracing it, found in Romans 10:8-13, echoed in Romans 8:1, Ephesians 2:8-9, John 5:24. Why O Why O Why O do we continue to ask questions?

 

May I offer a suggestion, an end-all to end all?

https://www.facebook.com/don.watson.90226628

 

Read it all, top to bottom. :RpS_love:

 

Thank you for your post. :RpS_smile:

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