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Every year large numbers of people come to the United States looking for jobs. Because of laws restricting immigration most of these job seekers aren’t able to enter the country legally but their need is so great they come here anyway. As a result there are millions of illegal immigrants in this country and one of the major problems facing the government is what to do about them.

 

It is unlikely that any government leader will ever think of looking in the Bible for a solution to the problem. That is unfortunate because the Bible does have the solution.

 

It tells us who our country really belongs to.

 

The earth is the LORD’s and the fullness thereof,

the world and those who dwell therein,

for he has founded it upon the seas

and established it upon the rivers.

Psalm 24:1-2 ESV

 

The United States, like every other country on earth, is God’s property because he was the one who created the earth. God has established standards of right and wrong that apply to all people and each country will be judged on how closely its laws conform to those standards.

 

The commands that God gave to Israel show how he wants us to treat immigrants.

 

When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:33-34 ESV

 

The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him.

Deuteronomy 23:15-16 ESV

 

God singles out one kind of immigrant for special mention, the slave who has escaped from his master. Today’s equivalent would be the refugee who has been forced to flee his home because of war or persecution. If we want God’s blessings on our nation we must welcome these refugees and help them to start a new life.

 

There was a time when it was easy for anyone looking for work or for freedom to settle in America. The contribution these immigrants have made to our society is one reason our country is as strong as it is.

 

Christians have an additional reason for encouraging immigration. We have been commanded to preach the gospel to all the world. Whenever people come to America from other nations our job is made easier. Many immigrants are from countries that don’t allow anyone to preach the gospel so we have an opportunity to reach them that we wouldn’t otherwise have.

 

I have written about the United States because that is where I live but the Biblical principles apply to any country. The world often looks at immigration as a problem that needs a solution. Christians should look at it as a God given opportunity for evangelism.

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reformed baptist
The world often looks at immigration as a problem that needs a solution. Christians should look at it as a God given opportunity for evangelism.

 

Amen

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

 

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I find it amusing that people would even consider others for citizenship without paperwork or some form of identification. One side complains about there not being enough screening, and when the screening makes things sure that all is in order others complain about it being too difficult. Especially during war. It is amazing, the liberal ideology, they'll donate everything off your back but not their own. Likewise, they'll invite anyone into your home but not their own.

 

Liberals complain about Russian meddling, but they'll allow others of foreign influence to walk across the border and vote in our elections. They don't want to solve the issue.

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

Lots of problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year%27s_Eve_sexual_assaults_in_Germany

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

I suppose the question could be asked, how much of this is a direct result of our interference in the middle east?

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I find it amusing that people would even consider others for citizenship without paperwork or some form of identification. One side complains about there not being enough screening, and when the screening makes things sure that all is in order others complain about it being too difficult. Especially during war. It is amazing, the liberal ideology, they'll donate everything off your back but not their own. Likewise, they'll invite anyone into your home but not their own.

 

Liberals complain about Russian meddling, but they'll allow others of foreign influence to walk across the border and vote in our elections. They don't want to solve the issue.

Liberals complain about most things and recently much of their hypocrisy has come to light

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

What I find interesting is Assyrian Christians refusing to leave despite persecution. But why so many military aged Muslim men arrive as refugees? People really expect no screening to take place.

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

I'm not suggesting 'no screening' - but I am suggesting that West needs to take responsibility for its actions, and I would question the reality of the claims made that most are 'young men' the media shows us what it wants us to see, as far as I am aware the official UN figures for Syrian Refugees is that in 2015 about 23% were 'young men' most were women and children. That is not to say there isn't a problem, nor is to suggest that Islam is anything other then a religion that seeks to dominate the places where it is present - but like it or not these people are coming to our doorstep and they need the gospel, and for me that is the big thing - the world is coming to us, we don't have go out into it like we used to.

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

I'm all for setting up "safe zones" over "there". That is, setting up areas which provide medical, food, education etc. I'm sure there's plenty of opportunity for our Evangelist to actually go there without the risks imposed by bringing people back. I think the best thing we can do is remove politics as much "as possible" from the war, our objective should be to annihilate the enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible in order to restore peace. The problem is we have people that have an invested interests throughout the land afterwards. The U.S. wants to see democracy, Christians want theocracy, and of course Muslims want Sharia.

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The solution to the problem of illegal immigration is to make it easy for people to immigrate legally.

 

A nation without borders (barriers to non citizens) is no longer a nation.

 

Just sign up and become an American, it's as easy as that. Food stamps, we got them because we love you. Health care, no problem, sign up for medicaid. What, you don't have an education, well .. after you learn English you can get student loans, housing ... etc. etc.etc.

 

“Approximately 104,460 asylum seekers arrived in Germany during the month of August, setting a new record. That makes 413,535 registered refugees and migrants coming to Germany in 2015 so far. The country expects a total of around 800,000 people to seek asylum in Germany this year. And that’s just Germany. The entire continent of Europe is being inundated with refugees at a rate unprecedented in world history. This is no longer just a ‘refugee crisis’. This is a hijrah.”

 

As a direct result of Europe's refugee crisis, new and very unpleasant social fractures have started to emerge.

Those who enter Europe are almost all Muslims, and behave as some Muslims often do in the Muslim world: they harass Christians and attack women. In reception centers, harassing Christians and attacking women are workaday incidents. European women and girls who live near reception centers are advised to take care and cover up. Rapes, assaults, stabbings and other crimes are on the rise.

 

 

 

as far as I am aware the official UN figures for Syrian Refugees is that in 2015 about 23% were 'young men' most were women and children.

 

There are articles, people working in social services which were testifying that they go days without seeing women and children, but only are helping fighting aged men. I haven't seen many of the articles since Trump took office, but remember reading them during the Obama years.

 

https://www.rt.com/news/343753-germany-refugees-males-statistics/

 

We also have the same problem on our southern border. Mexican gangs or fighting aged men are coming across the border. Under Obama, liberals suggested that it was discriminatory to judge people by their gang tats.

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The caravan of immigrants has brought yet another problem.  They are seen climbing up the border walls pretty much mocking us by actually sitting on the wall.  And they are at the port of entry that is the busiest of all.  There's no reason why we Should be taking in more.  They are probably family of those who are already here Non-legally.  

 

This thread is about evangelizing them.  There are already missionaries in Mexico.  In this country -- there are those who'd Like to teach people English.  But there aren't really very many who Want to learn English -- they get along just fine in communities that speak Spanish or the various languages of people groups that are here. 

 

No easy answers.  As we come into contact with Anyone -- being bi-lingual would be an advantage.  I'd like to continue learning Spanish -- a couple of years ago I had an opportunity To learn it and enjoyed it -- the instructor decided he didn't want to continue teaching it.  My husband is one who believes strongly in '"when In America learn English." 

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