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The Everlasting fire and the forever smoke of burning

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I was doing a study on Mystery Babylon when the Lord opened up something to me concerning the everlasting fire that is never quenched, and also the smoke of burning that rises up forever and ever. I never really put much thought into this subject before, but I don’t believe this everlasting fire is a natural fire as one might suppose, but rather the fire symbolizes the fire of God’s anger. Let’s compare spiritual things with spiritual by looking at several verses of scripture.

 

When something burns, naturally it produces smoke right? But here we also see the smoke of torment rising up forever and forever.

 

Revelation 18:9 “And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,”

Revelation 18:18 “And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!”

Revelation 19:3And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.”

Revelation 14:11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

 

We know by scripture God’s anger is as a consuming fire…..

 

Deuteronomy 4:24 “For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Psalm 74:1O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?”

Job 15:34For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate, and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery.”

Isaiah 33:14The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?”

 

Notice the wording here compared to the wording in Revelation above concerning the smoke of their torment that ascends up forever and forever.

 

Isaiah 34:1-10 “Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.2 For the indignation of the Lord is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.6 The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.”

 

Sounds like hell on earth don’t it? Now listen to the fire that is never quenched…

Mark 9:43 “And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mark 9:45 “And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:”

Deuteronomy 32:22 “For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Psalm 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.

Isaiah 30:27 Behold, the name of the Lord cometh from far, burning with his anger, and the burden thereof is heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:

Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Jeremiah 15:14 “And I will make thee to pass with thine enemies into a land which thou knowest not: for a fire is kindled in mine anger, which shall burn upon you.”

Jeremiah 17:4 “And thou, even thyself, shalt discontinue from thine heritage that I gave thee; and I will cause thee to serve thine enemies in the land which thou knowest not: for ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever.”

 

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More scriptures.....

 

Zephaniah 3:8 “Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the Lord, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.”

Isaiah 33:14 “The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?”

Matthew 18:8 “Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.”

Matthew 25:41 “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”

 

The fire that is not quenched seems to be the anger of the Lord that is not quenched

 

2 Chronicles 34:25 “Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be poured out upon this place, and shall not be quenched.

Jeremiah 7:20 “Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.”

Isaiah 66:24 “And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

 

Jeremiah 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Jeremiah 7:20 “Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.”

Jeremiah 21:12 “O house of David, thus saith the Lord; Execute judgment in the morning, and deliver him that is spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor, lest my fury go out like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.”

 

Ezekiel 20:47 “And say to the forest of the south, Hear the word of the Lord; Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will kindle a fire in thee, and it shall devour every green tree in thee, and every dry tree: the flaming flame shall not be quenched, and all faces from the south to the north shall be burned therein.

Ezekiel 20:48 “And all flesh shall see that I the Lord have kindled it: it shall not be quenched.”

Mark 9:45 “And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:”

 

Revelation 14:10-11 “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

 

So by all these scriptures I do believe the fire that cannot be quenched can be seen as symbolic of spiritual things as well. Peace and God bless, Mark.

 

 

 

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Your batting ten on interesting topics, hold back some will ya, I cant move that fast between them lol

 

There was a couple I wanted to see what you thought as far as how the smoke was used, for example here....

 

Isaiah 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.

These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

 

That (in the above) seems to indicate there that THESE (which say) ARE "a smoke" and "a fire" that burneth,

Have you ever looked up the words "in my nose" there? Its equated with wrath, even ties back with breathing into Adams nostrils, speaks of the wrath of man glorifying him at some point. I need to look at these more closely

 

I just always wondered why it was worded "the smoke of" their torment ascendeth up, or even using the mounting up of people compared to the lifting up of smoke versus using some other comparison like here

 

Isaiah 9:18 For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest,

and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.

 

Theres various ones as with smoke (as people) or even as Jerusalem also mentioned as a furnance in Isaiah 31:9 (and then even our Lords feet which walked through the same Rev 1:15)

 

Used in various ways I am supposing, even here, whether mount or pit

 

Exodus 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire:

and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

 

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;

and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

 

But I sort of had a hard time wrapping my head around smoke and fire being a people even though he makes his messengers flames of fire, that was tougher for me, I know you didnt add these in particular and its probably because its not in the context you are showing in your comparisons which are put together well but if you would add to them what would be your thoughts on Isaiah 65:5 more particularly, have any on that one also?

 

God richly bless you, Peace

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Your batting ten on interesting topics, hold back some will ya, I cant move that fast between them lol

 

There was a couple I wanted to see what you thought as far as how the smoke was used, for example here....

 

Isaiah 65:5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.

These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

 

That (in the above) seems to indicate there that THESE (which say) ARE "a smoke" and "a fire" that burneth,

Have you ever looked up the words "in my nose" there? Its equated with wrath, even ties back with breathing into Adams nostrils, speaks of the wrath of man glorifying him at some point. I need to look at these more closely

 

I just always wondered why it was worded "the smoke of" their torment ascendeth up, or even using the mounting up of people compared to the lifting up of smoke versus using some other comparison like here

 

Isaiah 9:18 For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest,

and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.

 

Theres various ones as with smoke (as people) or even as Jerusalem also mentioned as a furnance in Isaiah 31:9 (and then even our Lords feet which walked through the same Rev 1:15)

 

Used in various ways I am supposing, even here, whether mount or pit

 

Exodus 19:18 And mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because the LORD descended upon it in fire:

and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.

 

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;

and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

 

But I sort of had a hard time wrapping my head around smoke and fire being a people even though he makes his messengers flames of fire, that was tougher for me, I know you didnt add these in particular and its probably because its not in the context you are showing in your comparisons which are put together well but if you would add to them what would be your thoughts on Isaiah 65:5 more particularly, have any on that one also?

 

God richly bless you, Peace

 

I think these 2 you posted can go together....

 

Isaiah 9:18 For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

 

What's also interesting is the mention of the furnace, this is the same language God used of Sodom and when he brought Israel out of Egypt in

Deuteronomy 4:20 "But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

 

Key word search the word furnace and you also find some neat connections.

 

Also, remember what I said about the opposite reflection between good and evil, between light and darkness? Well, you can see the same wording describing both God and the Serpent Leviathan here below...

2 Samuel 22:9

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

 

Job 41:20

Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

 

Psalm 18:8

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

 

Also concerning the smoke in the eyes of the Lord in Isaiah 65:5, if you ever got smoke in your eyes before you will know what a irritant that is. Peace

 

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I think these 2 you posted can go together....

 

Isaiah 9:18 For wickedness burneth as the fire: it shall devour the briers and thorns, and shall kindle in the thickets of the forest, and they shall mount up like the lifting up of smoke.

Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace;and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

 

What's also interesting is the mention of the furnace, this is the same language God used of Sodom and when he brought Israel out of Egypt in

Deuteronomy 4:20 "But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

 

Key word search the word furnace and you also find some neat connections.

 

Also, remember what I said about the opposite reflection between good and evil, between light and darkness? Well, you can see the same wording describing both God and the Serpent Leviathan here below...

2 Samuel 22:9

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

 

Job 41:20

Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

 

Psalm 18:8

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.

 

Also concerning the smoke in the eyes of the Lord in Isaiah 65:5, if you ever got smoke in your eyes before you will know what a irritant that is. Peace

 

I have done so and I agree, just not with his eyes as being mentioned in Isaiah 65:5

 

Its a THEY who are a smoke of HIS NOSE, but just look under the word nose there, nose there as well as nostrils in Adam can be shown as wrath.

 

Not sure if I can post the link to it here but you know how to look it up.

 

Sorry I am all over the place today I am trying to multitask and I am not good at that lol

 

God bless, Peace

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I have done so and I agree, just not with his eyes as being mentioned in Isaiah 65:5

 

Its a THEY who are a smoke of HIS NOSE, but just look under the word nose there, nose there as well as nostrils in Adam can be shown as wrath.

 

Not sure if I can post the link to it here but you know how to look it up.

 

Sorry I am all over the place today I am trying to multitask and I am not good at that lol

 

God bless, Peace

 

Sorry I had eyes on the brain and misspoke, and it is "in my nose" not "of" as you stated above. Which smoke in the nose can also irritate like in the eyes. LOL Here is the KJV....

 

Which say, H559 Stand H7126 by thyself, come not near H5066 to me; for I am holier H6942 than thou. These are a smoke H6227 in my nose, H639 a fire H784 that burneth H3344 all the day. H3117

 

 

And I see here what you mean with the words "in my nose" (H639) and anger and wrath.

 

The KJV translates Strong's H639 in the following manner: anger (172x), wrath (42x), face (22x), nostrils (13x), nose (12x), angry (4x), longsuffering (with H750) (4x), before (2x), countenance (1x), forbearing (1x), forehead (1x), snout (1x), worthy (1x).

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Sorry I had eyes on the brain and misspoke, and it is "in my nose" not "of" as you stated above. Which smoke in the nose can also irritate like in the eyes. LOL Here is the KJV....

 

Which say, H559 Stand H7126 by thyself, come not near H5066 to me; for I am holier H6942 than thou. These are a smoke H6227 in my nose, H639 a fire H784 that burneth H3344 all the day. H3117

 

 

And I see here what you mean with the words "in my nose" (H639) and anger and wrath.

 

The KJV translates Strong's H639 in the following manner: anger (172x), wrath (42x), face (22x), nostrils (13x), nose (12x), angry (4x), longsuffering (with H750) (4x), before (2x), countenance (1x), forbearing (1x), forehead (1x), snout (1x), worthy (1x).

 

Yeah, the wrath part there. No worries I missed the in or of part that wasnt my grind, it was the eyes rather then nose since the word to look up is found in the nose part (not the eyes)

(even though they are the smoke IN his nose and theres a smoke coming OUT of his nose too) just sayin' (smilies arent working here, I am joking here)

 

Could just mean I start fuming at those types of people, these being a smoke in his nose when this is so or you know, how we might see someone angry in a fiction and they are often pictured with steam or smoke out of their ears even

 

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Yeah, the wrath part there. No worries I missed the in or of part that wasnt my grind, it was the eyes rather then nose since the word to look up is found in the nose part (not the eyes)

(even though they are the smoke IN his nose and theres a smoke coming OUT of his nose too) just sayin' (smilies arent working here, I am joking here)

 

Could just mean I start fuming at those types of people, these being a smoke in his nose when this is so or you know, how we might see someone angry in a fiction and they are often pictured with steam or smoke out of their ears even

 

Yeah, I think being a smoke in His nostrils like to irritate would be different than the smoke, or the blast of His nostrils to rebuke and to consume.

 

Exodus 15:8

And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together, the floods stood upright as an heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea.

 

2 Samuel 22:16

And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the Lord, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

 

Job 4:9

By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.

 

Psalm 18:15

Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.

 

But smoke is not the same word as blast or breath referring to the Spirit.

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Regarding the everlasting burning / fire and brimstone -- Revelation and other passages.

 

We can't picture God allowing People to end up there. But, it's not meant For people -- Revelation 20:7 - 10 and then to the end of the chapter.

 

Satan wants as much company in the future hell as possible. Rejecting God's salvation means ending up in hell. No place else To end up in for eternity.

 

Hell -- lake of fire and brimstone -- utter darkness is only meant for satan, the beast and false prophet. And I don't think Anyone would have a problem with Them ending up there for ever and ever.

 

The wrath of God is felt in other ways, too. As those other verses indicate.

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Whosoever is not found written in the book of life, and whosoever suffers the second death ends up in the lake of fire.

 

Revelation 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

Revelation 20:15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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The idea being that a born-again believer won't be doing those things. At least not as a life-style. We're All human with our problems. There Are pathological liars -- if a person is aware Of salvation and purposely leads people Away from it -- seems that there's an example of such in Scripture or a warning about it?!

 

There Is a thought amongst some that a fire Eventually burns things up -- so people won't suffer that long. It would be like being trapped in a burning car -- the victim passes out with smoke or pain.

 

And there are those who believe that there are degrees of hell -- a part where really bad people will suffer more than those who have only been a Little bad but not born-again. But it has been said that eternity is Forever -- both in heaven and in hell. Heaven is God's glory for us. Hell is satans' punishment / doom. No God's light -- utter darkness.

 

Remembering back years ago there was a place called Innerspace Caverns -- a popular tourist attraction. It was mostly the beautiful underground water crystals that had formed over the years. At the very end of the tour -- they commented about all the bright artificial lighting that allowed every to see the beauty. We were all in a group close together -- they said that just to show what it's really like underground -- no light -- they were going to turn off the lights for just 60 seconds So -- take hold of someones' hand next to you or hold on to the railing next to us. They warned us to Not let go. But to experience the total darkness,. That 60 seconds was Long. There was no spiritual part in that tour -- but they were showing us that there is natural light most of the time. To Some of us it Did make a spiritual impact on us.

 

The only part of the passage is the 'second death'. The first death being natural death putting a person into eternity. Is the second death referring to spiritual death? It couldn't though -- cause without salvation a person never becomes spiritually Alive. Well -- except as an infant.

 

So -- it makes a great deal of sense to settle our salvation Now. Because there's no 'later' available.

 

Everyone is born with a soul. And that 'soul' Will spend eternity Somewhere.

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