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Hakeem Alyazeedi
The Bible has corruptions as a result of the existence of the contradictions in the Bible. For example, one of the flat out contradictions is as follows;

 

Exodus 24:11 tells "They SAW God" whereas 1 Timothy 6:16 says "who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom NO ONE HAS SEEN or CAN SEE."

 

Another flat out contradiction is as follows;

 

2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to rule" whereas "Ahaziah was 42 years old when he began to rule" according to 2 Chronicles 22:2.

 

It depends which versions of the Bible. If you go to Hebrew texts of these two contradicting statements, you will that 2 kings 8:26 says 22 yrs old but 2 Chronicles 22:2 says 42. Please check KJV and RSV

Sure Sue D. You may ask me anything related to this topic. By the way, I am a former bible student.

 

The answer to "If I may ask -- how long did it take you to find those 'flat out contradictions' and 'corruptions' in the Bible" is during our bible studies groups that we used to read and discuss difficult which led to me search these corruptions. You do not need to be a scholar to realize that 22 in 2 Kings 8:26 does not equal 42 in 2 Chronicles 22:2. You do not need to be a scholar to realize that the Bibles admit the contradiction between 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 in Bibles like NIV when NIV replaces 42 in Chronicles 22:2 to 22 in order to make it in line with 2 Kings 8:26.

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Hakeem Alyazeedi
It shouldn't surprise us if there are minor discrepancies like the punctuation missing from the Greek and Aramaic, the vowels missing from the Hebrew. Enough is spot on to get us saved and schooled on what our Lord is doing. I Think it important that God's Old Testament ordinances state: we should let everything be established at the mouth of two or three witnesses. I might keep us from falsely assuming and drawing doctrine from one scripture occurrence.

 

I believe some prophecy has been locked and sealed until our time at the end of the age. Daniel 12:4: "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased." What we are doing here, with our computers, is what God was referring to "Knowledge shall be increased." :RpS_biggrin:

Decade saying "It shouldn't surprise us if there are minor discrepancies like the punctuation missing from the Greek and Aramaic, the vowels missing from the Hebrew" is true but there are more than spelling errors. There are doctrinal contradictions in the Bible. Two examples will be given for the time being.

 

1. According to Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD" but 1 Timothy 6:16 says "No one CANNOT SEE GOD"

 

2. According to Job 42:2 says "I know you can do all things" but Hebrew 6:18 says "it is impossible for God to lie"

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Faber
Faber, you are reading into the texts in your attempts to resolve such contradiction but the fact remains neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the term God the Father or God the Son.

 

They don't have to because the teaching is found elsewhere.

You are reading into the texts your attempt to achieve a contradiction but the fact remains that there is more than one way to express a truth claim.

 

There is no need to keep repeating that God can not be seen (1 Timothy 6:16) and yet they saw God in Exodus 24:11. I get the point, but what you fail to take into account is that "God" can refer to more than just the Father. Thomas referred to the Lord Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28. Thomas was a monotheistic Jew and yet the Lord Jesus never corrected or rebuked him for it.

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Faber, you are reading into the texts in your attempts to resolve such contradiction but the fact remains neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the term God the Father or God the Son. Rather, both verses of Exodus 24:11 and 1 Timothy 6:16 use only the word "God".

 

Hence, claiming that "that is not a contradiction. God (theos) refers to the Father (cf. John 6:46). Who they "saw" in Exodus 24:11 was God the Son" is contradicted by 1 Timothy 6:16 that says "no one has seen GOD and no one CANNOT see God" however, Exodus 24:11 says the contrary "They saw God"

 

The key word in 1 Timothy 6:16 is "CANNOT" which means "impossible" but Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW God"

 

 

I usually ignore trolls, but I'll play along with this silly game.

 

When Christ was baptized, The Holy Spirit came down from heaven as a dove. Everyone who saw the dove saw God, everone who saw Christ saw God, yet at the same time none of them did.

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Hakeem Alyazeedi

neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the words "The Father"or "the Son" or both. They both use only the word "God". Also, no where in the Old Testament, the term "the Father" in reference to God the Father is used. It is only "God" is used.

 

Nevertheless, the fact remains that contradictions, flaws and errors exist in the Bible as per the examples below from the Revised Standard Version Bible;

 

1. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

 

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

 

2. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

 

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

 

3. Was Jairus’ daughter dead or dying when he came to see Jesus?

 

(a) She was DYING (Luke 8:41–42)

(b) She was DEAD (Matthew 9:18)

 

4. Is God Just?

 

(a) God is Just (Deuteronomy 32:4 )

(B) God orders to kill little children (Ezekiel 9:5-7);

 

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.* Show no mercy; have no pity!* Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.* But do not touch anyone with the mark.* Begin your task right here at the Temple.”* So they began by killing the seventy leaders.* “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded.* “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!* Go!”* So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

 

5. Is God love?

 

(a). Yes (1 John 4:8)

(b). He orders to kill infants and children (1 Samuel 15:1-3);

 

"15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

 

 

6. Can Sinless Die for Guilty?

 

(a) No (Ezekiel 18:1)

(b) Yes (1 Corinthians 15:3) but 1 Peter 2:22 says "he (Jesus) committed no sin"

 

 

7. Can God Do Anything?

 

(a) No (Titus 1:2 & Hebrews 6:18)

(b) Yes (Job 42:1-2)

 

8. Is God Merciful?

 

(a) Yes (Deuteronomy 4:31)

(b) No (1 Samuel 15:2-3 & Ezekiel 9:5-6); he orders to kill infants and suckling as quoted above.

 

 

9. Was Jesus the first to rise from the dead?

 

(a) Yes (Acts 26:23)

(b) No (Matthew 9:50-53)

 

 

10. Jesus said in Luke 13:33 " for a prophet CANNOT die outside Jerusalem" but Jesus cross on which he hanged was outside Jerusalem according to John 19:20 which says " they crucified him near the city (i.e. Jerusalem)." Near never means inside.

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Faber

You tried with Exodus 24:11 and 1 Timothy 6:16 but you won't admit that your attempt was an utter failure. I am not going to bother responding to all your other ridulous attacks on the Bible. This is what heretics often do. When refuted they won't admit to it but just jump to something else.

Pathetic.

 

First admit your original attempt was a disaster then present your next one. If not, enjoy your heresy.

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Hakeem Alyazeedi
You tried with Exodus 24:11 and 1 Timothy 6:16 but you won't admit that your attempt was an utter failure. I am not going to bother responding to all your other ridulous attacks on the Bible. This is what heretics often do. When refuted they won't admit to it but just jump to something else.

Pathetic.

 

First admit your original attempt was a disaster then present your next one. If not, enjoy your heresy.

 

1 Timothy 6:16 says "no one has seen God nor can see him" but Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD

 

 

 

As I mentioned earlier, another flat out contradiction admitted as a result of error is 2 Kings 8:26 "Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to rule" but is contradicted by 2 Chronicles 22:2 ""Ahaziah was 42 years old when he began to rule"

 

Of course, I hope you see that 42 does not equal 22.

 

To prove that the age in 2 Kings 8:26 and 2 Chronicles 22:2 is a contradiction, NIV bible makes 2 Chronicles 22:2 read 22 (not 42 as in KJV & RSV)

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1 Timothy 6:16 says "no one has seen God nor can see him" but Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD

 

See post #18.

 

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Innerfire89
neither <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Exod%2024.11" data-reference="Exod 24.11" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Exodus 24:11</a> nor <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Tim%206.16" data-reference="1 Tim 6.16" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">1 Timothy 6:16</a> uses the words "The Father"or "the Son" or both. They both use only the word "God". Also, no where in the Old Testament, the term "the Father" in reference to God the Father is used. It is only "God" is used.

Nevertheless, the fact remains that contradictions, flaws and errors exist in the Bible as per the examples below from the Revised Standard Version Bible;

1. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Twenty-two (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Kings%208.26" data-reference="2 Kings 8.26" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">2 Kings 8:26</a>)

(b) Forty-two (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Chron%2022.2" data-reference="2 Chron 22.2" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">2 Chronicles 22:2</a>)

2. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Kings%2024.8" data-reference="2 Kings 24.8" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">2 Kings 24:8</a>)

(b) Eight (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Chron%2036.9" data-reference="2 Chron 36.9" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">2 Chronicles 36:9</a>)

3. Was Jairus’ daughter dead or dying when he came to see Jesus?

(a) She was DYING (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%208.41%E2%80%9342" data-reference="Luke 8.41–42" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Luke 8:41–42</a>)

(b) She was DEAD (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%209.18" data-reference="Matt 9.18" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Matthew 9:18</a>)

4. Is God Just?

(a) God is Just (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Deut%2032.4" data-reference="Deut 32.4" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Deuteronomy 32:4</a> )

(B) God orders to kill little children (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezek%209.5-7'>https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezek%209.5-7" data-reference="Ezek 9.5-7" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Ezekiel 9:5-7</a>);

“Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.* Show no mercy; have no pity!* Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.* But do not touch anyone with the mark.* Begin your task right here at the Temple.”* So they began by killing the seventy leaders.* “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded.* “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!* Go!”* So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezek%209.5-7" data-reference="Ezek 9.5-7" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Ezekiel 9:5-7</a>)

5. Is God love?

(a). Yes (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20John%204.8" data-reference="1 John 4.8" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">1 John 4:8</a>)

(b). He orders to kill infants and children (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Sam%2015.1-3" data-reference="1 Sam 15.1-3" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">1 Samuel 15:1-3</a>);

"15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

6. Can Sinless Die for Guilty?

(a) No (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezek%2018.1" data-reference="Ezek 18.1" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Ezekiel 18:1</a>)

(b) Yes (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Cor%2015.3" data-reference="1 Cor 15.3" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">1 Corinthians 15:3</a>) but <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Pet%202.22" data-reference="1 Pet 2.22" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">1 Peter 2:22</a> says "he (Jesus) committed no sin"

7. Can God Do Anything?

(a) No (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Titus%201.2" data-reference="Titus 1.2" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Titus 1:2</a> & <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Heb%206.18" data-reference="Heb 6.18" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Hebrews 6:18</a>)

(b) Yes (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Job%2042.1-2" data-reference="Job 42.1-2" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Job 42:1-2</a>)

8. Is God Merciful?

(a) Yes (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Deut%204.31" data-reference="Deut 4.31" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Deuteronomy 4:31</a>)

(b) No (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Sam%2015.2-3" data-reference="1 Sam 15.2-3" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">1 Samuel 15:2-3</a> & <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ezek%209.5-6" data-reference="Ezek 9.5-6" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Ezekiel 9:5-6</a>); he orders to kill infants and suckling as quoted above.

9. Was Jesus the first to rise from the dead?

(a) Yes (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Acts%2026.23" data-reference="Acts 26.23" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Acts 26:23</a>)

(b) No (<a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%209.50-53" data-reference="Matt 9.50-53" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Matthew 9:50-53</a>)

10. Jesus said in <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2013.33" data-reference="Luke 13.33" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">Luke 13:33</a> " for a prophet CANNOT die outside Jerusalem" but Jesus cross on which he hanged was outside Jerusalem according to <a class="rtBibleRef" href="https://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2019.20" data-reference="John 19.20" data-version="esv" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">John 19:20</a> which says " they crucified him near the city (i.e. Jerusalem)." Near never means inside.

No here said every English translation is perfect. In the KJV Ahaziah is "two and twenty years old". Such trivial information such as the age of age of kings and whether or not the girl was dead or dying really doesn't doesn't make any difference, Scripture is still amazingly accurate, especially considering most of the old and new testament were passed on orally before being written.

 

Yes God is just, loving, and merciful, he has every right to do with his creation, who are in reblion against him, as he pleases. No contradictions there, just you're opinions.

 

​​​​​​Where in Ezekiel 18 does it say any such thing?

 

God can do anything that can be done. God can not lie because God lying is doesn't exist. It's like asking can God count how many miles are in the color purple.

 

You're taking Luke 13:33 out of context. Christ is expressing that because of how Jerusalem kills prophets that it's as if Jerusalem were the place is the designated place for prophets to be killed.

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1. According to Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD" but 1 Timothy 6:16 says "No one CANNOT SEE GOD"

A valid observation. God is Spirit and as such cannot be seen. Also, an attribute of God is His immensity ... so even if He wasn't spirit He would be too big to see. But, God and take the form of a man and as such is still God and can be seen.

 

2. According to Job 42:2 says "I know you can do all things" but Hebrew 6:18 says "it is impossible for God to lie"

It is simple logic. God can do all things that are possible. It is not possible to do the impossible by definition. (You can't make a rock so heavy that no one can lift it and then say "now lift the rock".)

 

 

The following also seems to be a contradiction: Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. The Son of God who is God and He says He does not know something, yet God knows all things. I suggest you "Go with that assertion next". :RpS_lol:

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Hakeem Alyazeedi
1. According to Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD" but 1 Timothy 6:16 says "No one CANNOT SEE GOD"

A valid observation. God is Spirit and as such cannot be seen. Also, an attribute of God is His immensity ... so even if He wasn't spirit He would be too big to see. But, God and take the form of a man and as such is still God and can be seen.

 

2. According to Job 42:2 says "I know you can do all things" but Hebrew 6:18 says "it is impossible for God to lie"

It is simple logic. God can do all things that are possible. It is not possible to do the impossible by definition. (You can't make a rock so heavy that no one can lift it and then say "now lift the rock".)

 

 

The following also seems to be a contradiction: Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. The Son of God who is God and He says He does not know something, yet God knows all things. I suggest you "Go with that assertion next". :RpS_lol:

Fastfredy0 saying "But, God and take the form of a man and as such is still God and can be seen" is not supported by the text of exodus 24:10. Exodus 24:10 only says "God". no mention of manifestation of God.

 

Saying "God can do all things that are possible" is not supported by Job 42:2 which only says " you can do all things" no mention of any qualification like " all things that are possible"

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Sue D.
The Bible has corruptions as a result of the existence of the contradictions in the Bible. For example, one of the flat out contradictions is as follows;

 

Exodus 24:11 tells "They SAW God" whereas 1 Timothy 6:16 says "who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom NO ONE HAS SEEN or CAN SEE."

 

Another flat out contradiction is as follows;

 

2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to rule" whereas "Ahaziah was 42 years old when he began to rule" according to 2 Chronicles 22:2.

 

It depends which versions of the Bible. If you go to Hebrew texts of these two contradicting statements, you will that 2 kings 8:26 says 22 yrs old but 2 Chronicles 22:2 says 42. Please check KJV and RSV

Okay -- you're a former Bible student -- studying on your own? or at a Bible college / seminary? And which one?

 

I'm also a former Bible student -- at FBBC in Iowa and my husband has an M.A. in Theology.

 

And, has been getting pointed out to you -- there will be some variations in wording and numbers -- but basic doctrines are 'stable'.

 

Satan loves the idea of people finding all the variations found in God's Word / capitalizing on That / and completely Miss the Fact of Jesus Christ being the Son of God -- His virgin birth , His death , burial and bodily resurrection which gives us salvation. That being the beginning of Christianity.

 

Bible study groups Should be building up believers in the faith. Not trying to find problems. God's Word being our authority. Not man.

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Sue D.
Fastfredy saying "We say that the bible as originally written is infallible" is not true because we donot have the original manuscripts of the Bible.

 

Another flat out contradiction is that 1 timothy 6:16 says "no one has seen God nor CAN see Him" but Exodus 24:11 says "they SAW God"

We Do have the Dead Sea scrolls and there are Lots of copies of many of the books -- Isaiah being one of them.

 

BTW -- you're repeating yourself.

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Faber, you are reading into the texts in your attempts to resolve such contradiction but the fact remains neither Exodus 24:11 nor 1 Timothy 6:16 uses the term God the Father or God the Son. Rather, both verses of Exodus 24:11 and 1 Timothy 6:16 use only the word "God".

 

Hence, claiming that "that is not a contradiction. God (theos) refers to the Father (cf. John 6:46). Who they "saw" in Exodus 24:11 was God the Son" is contradicted by 1 Timothy 6:16 that says "no one has seen GOD and no one CANNOT see God" however, Exodus 24:11 says the contrary "They saw God"

 

The key word in 1 Timothy 6:16 is "CANNOT" which means "impossible" but Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW God"

 

 

I usually ignore trolls, but I'll play along with this silly game.

 

When Christ was baptized, The Holy Spirit came down from heaven as a dove. Everyone who saw the dove saw God, everone who saw Christ saw God, yet at the same time none of them did.

Very well stated.

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Sue D.
1. According to Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD" but 1 Timothy 6:16 says "No one CANNOT SEE GOD"

A valid observation. God is Spirit and as such cannot be seen. Also, an attribute of God is His immensity ... so even if He wasn't spirit He would be too big to see. But, God and take the form of a man and as such is still God and can be seen.

 

2. According to Job 42:2 says "I know you can do all things" but Hebrew 6:18 says "it is impossible for God to lie"

It is simple logic. God can do all things that are possible. It is not possible to do the impossible by definition. (You can't make a rock so heavy that no one can lift it and then say "now lift the rock".)

 

 

The following also seems to be a contradiction: Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. The Son of God who is God and He says He does not know something, yet God knows all things. I suggest you "Go with that assertion next". :RpS_lol:

God DID take on the form of a man -- Immanuel -- that was predicted in Isaiah 7:14 -- then look at Matthew 1:21 through vs 23 which means "God with us". In the form of the Son of God / Jesus Christ.

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Just Mike

Hakeen Alyazeedi, Sue asked you and you did not answer her question. I would like to ask a little deeper question; Do you believe that Jesus Christ was Fully God in Human Flesh and he is fully divine and fully human? Do you believe He was born to mary who was a virgin when the Holy Spirit came upon her and when she gave birth to Jesus she was still a virgin? Do you believe Jesus Christ when he died on the Cross that his body was dead, that he rose from the Grave and many people besides the Apostles witnessed him walking about. Some sources even wrote about it besides the Bible. Do you believe Jesus is in Heaven sitting on the right side of The Father in heaven. Do you believe Jesus is our mediator who when we confess our sins he has complete authority to forgive sins?

 

 

The reason I ask these things is perhaps if you believe the Bible contains errors, you might consider these things I listed have errors as well. Peace.

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Fastfredy0
1. According to Exodus 24:11 says "They SAW GOD" but 1 Timothy 6:16 says "No one CANNOT SEE GOD"

A valid observation. God is Spirit and as such cannot be seen. Also, an attribute of God is His immensity ... so even if He wasn't spirit He would be too big to see. But, God and take the form of a man and as such is still God and can be seen.

 

2. According to Job 42:2 says "I know you can do all things" but Hebrew 6:18 says "it is impossible for God to lie"

It is simple logic. God can do all things that are possible. It is not possible to do the impossible by definition. (You can't make a rock so heavy that no one can lift it and then say "now lift the rock".)

 

 

The following also seems to be a contradiction: Matthew 24:36 No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. The Son of God who is God and He says He does not know something, yet God knows all things. I suggest you "Go with that assertion next". :RpS_lol:

It is impossible to do the impossible. This is a simple concept.

 

"But, God and take the form of a man and as such is still God and can be seen" is not supported by the text of exodus 24:10. Exodus 24:10 only says "God". no mention of manifestation of God.

God is under no obligation to add text to scripture (Deut. 29:29) So, though He did not clarify the physical attributes of His appearance does not mean it is not so. There are 10 - 15 Old Testament appearances of God in a physical form. I don't think in any instance the text say something like "Hello, I am God in physical form". I grant that such a statement would be more satisfying to you, perhaps you can suggest an improvement when He writes a new edition. (Proverbs 26:5)

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Hakeem Alyazeedi

Sue D saying "God DID take on the form of a man" is not stated anywhere in Exodus 24: 10 which only says "they saw God"

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Well Hakeem, if you read a little further in Exodus you will see what they saw:

 

Exodus 24:15-18: "And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights."

 

So you see, it was just a cloud on the top of the mountain. The children of Israel also saw the Lord in a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night:

 

Exodus 13:21,22: "And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people."

 

I am not sure of the point you are trying to make comparing Job 42:2 and Hebrews 6:18. You need to clarify that.

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" What we are doing here, with our computers, is what God was referring to "Knowledge shall be increased." :RpS_biggrin:

Plenty of "running to and fro" going on in the world today too, it seems to me.

Yeah, I was going to bring up about our jet planes also. So thanks for reminding me.

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Sue D saying "God DID take on the form of a man" is not stated anywhere in Exodus 24: 10 which only says "they saw God"

Hi -- would you use the 'comment' feature, please. Thank you.

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Well Hakeem, if you read a little further in Exodus you will see what they saw:

 

Exodus 24:15-18: "And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. And the glory of the LORD abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. And the sight of the glory of the LORD was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights."

 

So you see, it was just a cloud on the top of the mountain. The children of Israel also saw the Lord in a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night:

 

Exodus 13:21,22: "And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people."

 

I am not sure of the point you are trying to make comparing Job 42:2 and Hebrews 6:18. You need to clarify that.

Sue D. Your above answer is not correct because when Moses and the others saw God, they saw God, his hand & feet but not in any other form as shown in Exodus 24:9-11:

 

"9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of lapis lazuli, as bright blue as the sky. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank."

 

Job 42:2 says "I know you can do all things" but Titus 1:1-2 says "God CANNOT lie"

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Well Hakeem, you missed it again. There was no feet seen, but a paved street under the cloud: so bright it looked like sapphire:

Exodus 24:10: "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."

 

God will not show any man His glory. Think about it: it wouldn't take faith if we were to behold His glory. This is as close as anyone got:

Exodus 33:18-23: “And he (Moses) said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

 

Your inference that God can do anything and He cannot lie. God can do anything, but He will not lie. The difference is could not/would not. I think God gave us common sense so we would use it. :RpS_thumbsup:

 

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Well Hakeem, you missed it again. There was no feet seen, but a paved street under the cloud: so bright it looked like sapphire:

Exodus 24:10: "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness."

 

God will not show any man His glory. Think about it: it wouldn't take faith if we were to behold His glory. This is as close as anyone got:

Exodus 33:18-23: “And he (Moses) said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

 

Your inference that God can do anything and He cannot lie. God can do anything, but He will not lie. The difference is could not/would not. I think God gave us common sense so we would use it. :RpS_thumbsup:

Exodus 24 is not the only place where God was seen. Please see below more events where certain people saw God (not in any manifestation) as follows;

 

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gensis 32:30)

 

"In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up." (Isaiah 6:1.)

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The number one flat out contradictions is the age of Ahaziah when he began to rule; according to 2 Kigns 8:26, Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he began to rule; however, "Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he began to rule" according to 2 Chronicles 22:2.

 

Please visit the hebrew english interlinear for 2 Chronicles 22:2 which uses the word "forty two"

 

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_chronicles/22-2.htm

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