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What happens to children & unborn when they die?

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Because of mankind's willful fall (adam & eve) All people born, Are born a sinner. Jesus being the only sinless person. His father was the Holy Ghost.

 

If We Are All Born Sinners Rom 3:23

 

What happens to children & unborn when they die?

 

Sin is a willful act of rebellion against God on the part of an individual. Clearly, an infant or young child is not capable of such a willful act. (Romans 3:9-18 )

 

We must be careful not to confuse bad behavior or early signs of willful actions on the part of children with sin. Such behavior does not necessarily indicate that a child has knowingly sinned.

 

The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. (eze 18:20)

 

Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin. (Deuteronomy 24:16)

 

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. (2 Corinthians 5:10)

 

Similarly, the Bible indicates that salvation is a deliberate act of faith on the part of individuals. To exercise this choice, persons must be able to make certain distinctions.

 

They must be aware they are sinners before God and be able to repent (change direction) of that rebellious life-style.

 

They must be capable of transferring trust to Jesus as personal Savior and Lord.

 

They must be able to understand that their life-styles should be patterned after the example of Christ (Romans 10:9-14).

 

Obviously, an infant, young child or the mentally challenged cannot make these distinctions and cannot be responsible for making such a decision. They all go onto eternal life in the presents of their creator.

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...the Bible indicates that salvation is a deliberate act of faith on the part of individuals. To exercise this choice, persons must be able to make certain distinctions.

 

They must be aware they are sinners before God and be able to repent (change direction) of that rebellious life-style.

 

They must be capable of transferring trust to Jesus as personal Savior and Lord.

 

They must be able to understand that their life-styles should be patterned after the example of Christ (Romans 10:9-14).

 

Obviously, an infant, young child or the mentally challenged cannot make these distinctions and cannot be responsible for making such a decision. They all go onto eternal life in the presents of their creator.

 

Hi GO, from what I've seen so far, you are clearly a "free will" believer, yes? As a result, I think you may have a problem with the particular scenario that you've just set up for us in this thread, and here's why. Unless you believe that all who die as unborn children/in infancy would have eventually chosen to believe in Christ as adults, that means there will be many in Heaven who hate God and don't want to be there, doesn't it? IOW, they will be there IN SPITE of the free will choice God knows they would have made in regard to His Son had they lived.

 

You believe that God never violates the free will choice of those who live to the age of accountability (at least where their salvation is concerned anyway), right, so why do you believe that God would want to do that very thing to unborn children/infants who die, who He (again) knows would have NEVER chosen to believe if they'd been given the chance to?

 

Also, how do you think He will solve the problem of having so many in Heaven who hate Him (if what you believe is true)?

 

Thanks!

 

Yours and His,

David

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Because of mankind's willful fall (adam & eve) All people born, Are born a sinner. Jesus being the only sinless person. His father was the Holy Ghost.

 

If We Are All Born Sinners Rom 3:23

 

What happens to children & unborn when they die?

 

You stated that all men are sinners. Then you put a big fat "if" to make Romans 3:23 conditional as if the doctrine of original sin should be questioned. In my mind, you twisted Scripture in order to support your sense of fairness.

 

I believe everyone left to themselves will perish. Men, women and children. That is, lest God intervenes. Without election no children are heaven bound just like adults.

 

God bless,

William

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Those who choose to believe still have the Adamic nature. They can still lie or hate (many do). They enter heaven by faith in the redemptive -PAID IN FULL - work of Christ. These people that didn't life to or were mentally able to make a faith choice. Will fall under the blood sacfifice & receive an incorruptible spiritual body. Therefore no God haters will ever enter.

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Those who choose to believe still have the Adamic nature.

 

Hi GO, I will grant that as believers will have to wrestle with our "old self"/"old man" for the balance of our lives on this side of Glory (hopefully with decreasing regularity, of course, as we mature in Christ). However, are we not given a new nature when were are regenerated/caused to be "born again" by God, when we are given a new heart/quickened to spiritual life and made into wholly "new creatures" in His Son?

 

For that matter, were we not acting ACCORDING to our old/fallen nature as unbelievers when we sinned, and are we not now, as Christians, acting AGAINST our new nature in Christ whenever we do the same?

 

Believing is only possible BECAUSE God changes us before we believe (so that we can believe), because of the "gift" of saving faith He gives us .. Ephesians 2:8. IOW, regeneration (must) precede faith.

 

As for unborn children/infants who die, are you saying they had no free will to begin with, that it perhaps develops in each of us as we reach the age of accountability (whenever that is)? If this is true, then wouldn't an abortion be the most loving thing a parent could do for their child, because such an act would guarantee them a spot in Heaven? (again, only if what you are saying is true about unborn children/infants)

 

Thanks!

 

--David

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