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Should we listen to any minister who has not experienced John 14:21-23?

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John 14:21-23 is a PROMISE from God. If we satisfy the requirements in this scripture, Christ will 'manifest' [show] Himself to us. If our minister has not experienced this, should we listen to him? Man's heart is deceitful. People will often respond, in a way, that they know what you expect of them to do/say. When you are no longer in their presence, they revert to their evil ways.

 

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How the heck am I supposed to know if someone else has had Jesus manifested to them?

The old Shining Face of Moses is not an everyday event to mark a new Pastor.

 

It is a silly question.

How about a more practical litmus test: Do they exhibit the Fruit of the Spirit in their lives? (You know, Gal 5:22-23)

Do they teach truth from scripture? (Acts 17:11)

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How the heck am I supposed to know if someone else has had Jesus manifested to them?

The old Shining Face of Moses is not an everyday event to mark a new Pastor.

 

It is a silly question.

How about a more practical litmus test: Do they exhibit the Fruit of the Spirit in the it lives? (You know, Gal 5:22-23)

Do they teach truth from scripture? (Acts 17:11)

 

I think the OP has had a "mental episode" and they are trying to demean or discredit all those that do not share the same experience.

 

God bless,

William

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John 14:21-23 is a PROMISE from God. If we satisfy the requirements in this scripture, Christ will 'manifest' [show] Himself to us. If our minister has not experienced this, should we listen to him? Man's heart is deceitful. People will often respond, in a way, that they know what you expect of them to do/say. When you are no longer in their presence, they revert to their evil ways.
Since Christ would be manifesting to the minister, how would you know whether that has happened? A pastor may not choose to share such a personal experience, or they may have dealt with Christ revealing himself in a way that is tailored directly to them and that other people may not understand e.g. support during a bad time, aid turning away from sin, etc. It does sound as though you don't believe them even if they told you Christ had. Pastors aren't prophets, just shepherds of their flock.

 

If you are expecting signs on the level of a prophet, Psalm 78:32 is an example of the problem with mass miracles: because the people who saw them quickly stopped believing. For a certain mindset it takes constant miracles, not just one, to keep them faithful. Even after they had seen the Red Sea parted, they started thinking God wasn't providing enough and started making idols.

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Even after they had seen the Red Sea parted, they started thinking God wasn't providing enough and started making idols

True Dat!

Aren't people a strange and fickled lot? God really must be infinite in patience (unlike Bruce Almighty, I would not want the job).

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