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It's obvious we have more women than men. That been said, I know Christians only advocate for one man one wife.

I am just Wondering, who is suppose to marry the extra women?

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Not everyone has to get married. Sometimes it is better to remain unmarried in order to serve God without being distracted by the responsibilities of marriage.

 

The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. (1 Corinthians 7:32-34)

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Not everyone has to get married. Sometimes it is better to remain unmarried in order to serve God without being distracted by the responsibilities of marriage.

The unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to please the Lord. But the married man is anxious about worldly things, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried or betrothed woman is anxious about the things of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit. But the married woman is anxious about worldly things, how to please her husband. (1 Corinthians 7:32-34)

True words, however not very applicable. Women want to get married. No wonder we have so many men with mistresses.

this is one of those issues that I desire every one to open their eyes to the reality and not blindly quote the bible.

I mean, the modern man is faced by so many dangers and eventually has a higher chance of dying than a woman.

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It's obvious we have more women than men. That been said, I know Christians only advocate for one man one wife.

I am just Wondering, who is suppose to marry the extra women?

 

Let's be realistic here: there's not a lot of women out there that would be ok with a polygamous house even if their church allowed it. Mormons and Muslims are a different story, because to them polygamy is culturally embedded as well, but even they will tell you that polygamy comes with its own domestic problems... 3 people is a crowd.

 

Also, whether polygamy pertains both men and women, if we're just worrying about demographics, man-woman population ratios can change overtime. Either way the number of people who don't get married might not change at all even if polygamy is allowed, depending on a lot of factors.

Overall it's not like humanity has a low birth-to-death ratio to be worrying about whether everyone gets married or not. There's plenty of people who don't want to get married at all, are loners, career people or find a calling in monastic life.

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Fact checking the basic assumptions:

In absolute figures (estimate):

 

US Population in 2017 ...

65 345 400 young people under 15 years old ( 33 362 670 males / 31 982 730 females)

217 386 227 persons between 15 and 64 years old ( 108 488 075 males / 108 898 152 females)

42 729 344 persons above 64 years old ( 18 437 180 males / 24 288 909 females)

 

So under age 15, there are insignificantly more men than women. From age 15 to 64 there is parity between men and women. Above age 64 there is a surplus of women relative to men.

 

If the only goal is to provide husbands for surplus women to reduce the temptation of men to adultery, then we really only need to allow polygamy among those 65 and older. Is that really where you see the problem of unfaithful husbands being tempted by women desperate for a mate occurring?

 

Given these demographics, I suggest that the motive for polygamy is something other than a healthy husband-wife relationship. Given the reality of the cultures where it is practiced, it seems to be about subjugation of women and a direct result of the curse on Adam and Eve distorting what God intended.

 

Polygamy is both morally wrong and biologically misguided.

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It is not merely a case of Christians advocating for one husband, one wife. It is written in the Bible in many places, despite the odd outlier in Old Testament times like Solomon.

 

It's obvious we have more women than men. That been said, I know Christians only advocate for one man one wife.

I am just Wondering, who is suppose to marry the extra women?

Whether there is more women than men depends entirely on which country you are looking at. China's one child policy resulted in such a skew towards boys that now they are growing up the country is having to import brides, but I doubt you would suggest polyandry (one women, multiple husbands) to solve the problem. As @atpollard said however, during the main marriageable age period, there is naturally a near 1:1 ratio. After age 64 many of the surplus of women will be widows with grown children and grandchildren who have family responsibilities that taking another husband would not help with.
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Fact checking the basic assumptions:

In absolute figures (estimate):

 

US Population in 2017 ...

65 345 400 young people under 15 years old ( 33 362 670 males / 31 982 730 females)

217 386 227 persons between 15 and 64 years old ( 108 488 075 males / 108 898 152 females)

42 729 344 persons above 64 years old ( 18 437 180 males / 24 288 909 females)

 

So under age 15, there are insignificantly more men than women. From age 15 to 64 there is parity between men and women. Above age 64 there is a surplus of women relative to men.

 

If the only goal is to provide husbands for surplus women to reduce the temptation of men to adultery, then we really only need to allow polygamy among those 65 and older. Is that really where you see the problem of unfaithful husbands being tempted by women desperate for a mate occurring?

 

Given these demographics, I suggest that the motive for polygamy is something other than a healthy husband-wife relationship. Given the reality of the cultures where it is practiced, it seems to be about subjugation of women and a direct result of the curse on Adam and Eve distorting what God intended.

 

Polygamy is both morally wrong and biologically misguided.

 

Ican see you have the figures, thanks for that. But have you factored in, that a lot of men are facing a lot danger and die more than women. For illustrations, more men die in wars as soldiers, gangsters who get shot or imprisoned are more men than women, the number of those addicted to drugs and alcohol, more men, accidents; more men.

You can now see why there's a defecit.

now whether we chose to acknowledge or ignore this fact, it is here with us and must be addressed.

And even though it may not be an excuse for infidelity, it is a contributor.

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Ican see you have the figures, thanks for that. But have you factored in, that a lot of men are facing a lot danger and die more than women. For illustrations, more men die in wars as soldiers, gangsters who get shot or imprisoned are more men than women, the number of those addicted to drugs and alcohol, more men, accidents; more men.

You can now see why there's a defecit.

now whether we chose to acknowledge or ignore this fact, it is here with us and must be addressed.

And even though it may not be an excuse for infidelity, it is a contributor.

 

No, it really isn't a factor. Let's look at it another way. At 7 years old, there are 1112 boys for every 1063 girls or about 1 extra boy for every 18 girls. By age 47, the factors you mention mean that there are now 1085 men for every 1089 women of about 1 extra woman for every 543 men. (Hardly a crisis). It is only when you get to the very old that there are 750 men for every 1000 women or about 1 extra women for every 4 men. So even among geriatrics, only 1 man in 4 needs a second wife to provide a husband for every woman.

 

The numbers say that polygamy is not about biology and gender ratios. God really did hard wire the human race for monogamy. If you want polygamy for other reasons, you may as well embrace those other reasons. "Surplus Women" is a dog that won't hunt.

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If you want polygamy for other reasons, you may as well embrace those other reasons. "Surplus Women" is a dog that won't hunt.
A surplus of women is not a good argument for polygamy. Succinct and logical, I like that.

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A surplus of women is not a good argument for polygamy. Succinct and logical, I like that.

 

I agree, but what is the solution?

What are you telling these women. To be content without husbands? that it's all right?

 

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I agree, but what is the solution?

What are you telling these women. To be content without husbands? that it's all right?

A solution? I am in no way convinced there is a problem. As far as I am concerned the topic is moot.
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After the World Wars Britain's gap was nearly 1.7M more women than men due to war casualties, and there was still no need seen to legalise plural marriage. The current differential is the natural level, around 500,000, which seems to be fairly standard in most populations not using some form of population control. Remember that many of the sects that allow plural marriage end up exiling young men so that the women:men ratio skews far enough for the remaining men to have multiple wives (FLDS - Guardian 2005).

 

I agree, but what is the solution?

What are you telling these women. To be content without husbands? that it's all right?

Have you tried telling a woman she has to share a husband and that's alright? I don't think many Christian women would be happy about going against Biblical law. Besides, many of these women you deem 'surplus' would have been married to men who died. Do you believe that widows have to take another husband and can't stay faithful to their deceased husband's memory?
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Have you tried telling a woman she has to share a husband and that's alright? I don't think many Christian women would be happy about going against Biblical law. Besides, many of these women you deem 'surplus' would have been married to men who died. Do you believe that widows have to take another husband and can't stay faithful to their deceased husband's memory?

 

You make a fair point. We're way ahead of the mentality that a woman can't take care of herself, or is de facto a sinner if unmarried.

Marrying widows and older girls off to already married men is almost like sending them to a convent against their will. I think a lot of us would agree that in that regard polygamy and similar practices are largely barbaric, or at least misled. If anything it implies that a woman is nothing unless she's married.

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The argument that there are more women than men is probably not a good reason for the promotion of polygamy because nature has its own way of equalizing out the deficiencies in the numbers. Whilst some women would be accommodating to the multiple partner's situations, I doubt if the majority would be. In this situation, women are mostly regarded as mere chattels because there is no real opportunity to assert themselves in the role that they have taken on, they are just numbers in a male-dominated hierarchy.

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Most guys can't handle one woman, much less that many wives and usually this leads to a abusive situation as well. Also I think that they have a jealousy factor,as far as the women go between each other,and they develop a low self-esteem. Woman should have a right to choose though if they want to enter into this agreement,but should be advised strongly against it?

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And nobody considers children? One only needs to look at a Biblical example (Abraham or Solomon) to see the kinda mess polygamy causes. No wonder our society is in such a mess today and children are so screwed up.

 

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William

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China have a shortage of women due to the abortion of baby girls. So OP with the way you say things, You think Polyandry should be a thing there because of the shortage of women. Polygamy is the reason why many half siblings in the middle east kills each other for the inheritance money.

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I was wondering about the arguments used from the Bible that some people use to support polygamy. This would include people like King David who had more than 1 wife (cf. 2 Samuel 12:8).

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A silly thread about some guy trying to justify his lust. 

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1 hour ago, Faber said:

I was wondering about the arguments used from the Bible that some people use to support polygamy. This would include people like King David who had more than 1 wife (cf. 2 Samuel 12:8).

That particular example should raise an objection. David was king. Kings sealed alliances or treaties by marrying the daughters of other kings.

 

1 Kings 3:1 Solomon made a marriage alliance with Pharaoh king of Egypt. He took Pharaoh’s daughter and brought her into the city of David until he had finished building his own house and the house of the LORD and the wall around Jerusalem.
 

God bless,

William

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3 hours ago, Faber said:

I was wondering about the arguments used from the Bible that some people use to support polygamy. This would include people like King David who had more than 1 wife (cf. 2 Samuel 12:8).

Which Biblical example of a non monogamous Marriage turned out well?

 

Abraham with Issac and Ishmael?

Jacob with his sons trying to kill Joseph and selling him into slavery?

David with his children raping each other?  murdering each other? starting a civil war?

Solomon with his multiple foreign wives leading him into idolatry?

 

Where are these shining success stories for Godly Polygamy making things better?

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44 minutes ago, atpollard said:

Solomon with his multiple foreign wives leading him into idolatry?

Right, Deuteronomy 17:16-17 

 

I believe God stated Israel was not to multiply wives, chariots and horses. 

 

We can see the affects of multiplying wives, and I think the principals of not multiplying wives, chariots and horses are to emphasize misplaced faith in Israel's treatises or alliances, military or even economy that leads to "idolatry".

 

If so these Laws are very applicable to the church today. 

 

God bless,

William

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When God reinstated Job did He give him 2 wives or one. 

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It should be also noted that Scripture does convey Law which applies to having more than one wife.

 

Deuteronomy 21:15-17

“If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved, and both the loved and the unloved have borne him children, and if the firstborn son belongs to the unloved,[a] 16 then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the firstborn in preference to the son of the unloved, who is the firstborn, 17 but he shall acknowledge the firstborn, the son of the unloved, by giving him a double portion of all that he has, for he is the firstfruits of his strength. The right of the firstborn is his.

 

I find arguments that rely on these as a basis for more than one wife fail to see a principal or parallel to other Laws in Scriptures such as slavery:

 

Exodus 21:20-21

“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

 

I think the Scriptures are addressing a common practice rather than encouraging them. In other words, if you have a slave this is how you are to treat them. For example, in Philemon Paul didn't rebuke Onesimus but instead encouraged him to forgive the debt which Philemon owed:

 

Philemon 1:12-16

12 I am sending him back to you, sending my very heart. 13 I would have been glad to keep him with me, in order that he might serve me son your behalf during my imprisonment for the gospel, 14 but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own accord. 15 For this perhaps is why he was parted from you for a while, that you might have him back forever, 16 no longer as a bondservant but more than a bondservant, as a beloved brother—especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

 

Likewise, we know in the OT Jesus stated that at least one Law was given because of the hardness of hearts which may put one wife away for another one which is favorable in a man's eyes. I do believe polygamy is outside of God's design for marriage which is exampled in Ephesians 5:22-33 where the husband and wife follow the example of the relationship between Jesus and the Church. This of course, results in contention by some as they point out there are many churches, but that's contrary to the imagery and what is stated in Ephesians 5:31-32:

 

31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

 

God bless,

William

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25 minutes ago, William said:

Right, Deuteronomy 17:16-17 

 

I believe God stated Israel was not to multiply wives, chariots and horses. 

 Chariots and horses are not be multiplied but this doesn't mean 2 or even say 10 would be considered excessive.

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