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Hey, i'm wondering what is the bibical, and what is your personal opinion about Weed? I know that the bible discusses mind altering drugs, but not weed specificaly and it has been scientifically proven that Weed isn't that bad for you at all, it actually helps recreating brain cells and stops and in some cases even heals cancer.

I'm not trying to encourage anyone to use it, i'm just curious about it.

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Hi Joel, first off, WELCOME TO CF :)

 

As for "Weed", I'm not sure what is and what isn't true about it medically speaking, but medical use is hardly the reason that most people use it ;) So just like getting "drunk" is a sin (Ephesians 5:18), getting "high" on weed is sinful for the same reasons. God wants us to walk with and depend upon Him as we make our ways through this life towards Glory, and He needs us to have clear minds so that we can be mentally, physically and spiritually prepared for the "battle" which is always before us. We need to be filled with the HS, not with wine or weed!

 

Yours and His,

David

p.s. - like alcohol, if someone is truly sick and in great, long-term pain, and weed can help their condition, I don't believe it's use in that case would be considered sinful.

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From what I have read about marijuana/cannabis/hemp, it was once a very different kind of plant than what is now being sold on the street. There are many different strains of cannabis, and not all of them produce a high like the strain that is grown for that express purpose.

For many years, it was grown as a hemp crop, and used for making ropes.

The United States government even encouraged farmers to grow a hemp crop during the years of World War II, because the navy needed it for rope for all of the ships. The hemp that was grown for rope and other textile products was not mind-altering, or at least not enough that it was used for smoking it.

To use cannabis as a healing herb, it is not necessary to use the kind that makes you high either.

And it is not used by smoking it. The people who actually use cannabis as a medicine will usually grow their own, and then they use the fresh picked leaves and make them into a healthful drink called a "green smoothie".

The fresh leave have a lot of good nutrients in them, and are a healing plant.

So, I do believe that cannabis, as given to us by God, was intended as something that was healthy to use.

I do not smoke it, or even grow it; but since it is supposed to be very helpful for arthritis, and many other ailments, if it were legalized to grow and be used for that reason, I would probably try some.

As far as just having cannabis to smoke and befuddle up the mind, I do not think that this is what God intended us to do with this plant at all.

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Hi Joel, first off, WELCOME TO CF :)

 

As for "Weed", I'm not sure what is and what isn't true about it medically speaking, but medical use is hardly the reason that most people use it ;) So just like getting "drunk" is a sin (Ephesians 5:18), getting "high" on weed is sinful for the same reasons. God wants us to walk with and depend upon Him as we make our ways through this life towards Glory, and He needs us to have clear minds so that we can be mentally, physically and spiritually prepared for the "battle" which is always before us. We need to be filled with the HS, not with wine or weed!

 

Yours and His,

David

p.s. - like alcohol, if someone is truly sick and in great, long-term pain, and weed can help their condition, I don't believe it's use in that case would be considered sinful.

 

I'm glad you added the p.s. to your post. I was just debating this issue with another Christian. If someone suffers chronic pain, and nothing else works very well (other than narcotics, which most people would rather not become dependent on), they might consider this form of treatment.

 

The other person felt it was wrong. My thought is that if you can take meds that are basically like heroin, why can't you take meds made from "weed." I don't see why one would be wrong if the other is not.

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Personally, I have no desire to use weed, at least in the form that is smoked in order to get high. However, if it came down to needing to use it for the treatment of an ailment/disease then I would be all for it (cannabis oil). I also feel there are plenty of other commercial and industrial uses for the different strains of the plant that could be very beneficial. For example, back in the golden years of sailing ships were actually rigged with hemp ropes because they were much stronger and more durable than ropes made of other materials.

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I do not have a desire to use weed either, and I greatly dislike having to smell the smoke at the beaches or at busy intersections from the car next to me.

 

God bless,

William

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Personally, I am against weed consumption. Religiously, I am also against weed. Based on my readings of scriptures, I can say God has condemned use of intoxicant. God says we must not harm ourself consuming weed and other intoxication substances is against God's will.

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Personally, I am against weed consumption. Religiously, I am also against weed. Based on my readings of scriptures, I can say God has condemned use of intoxicant. God says we must not harm ourself consuming weed and other intoxication substances is against God's will.

 

So, do you also think it's wrong to take other prescription pain relievers then like narcotics? Strong pain meds can "intoxicate" you as well. So, no morphine etc. then?

 

Are you just speaking about recreational use or do you also mean for medicinal purposes?

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with taking meds for pain. I guess it's between the person who is in pain and God. Personally, I don't feel convicted over taking meds to help ease my chronic pain (edit: I don't use weed, but it's a consideration now that it's legal here for medicinal usage).

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I'm not in favour of weed or rather not the recreational use of it, but if it is necessary for medicinal use or pain relief that is completely acceptable to me. I don't think the Bible verse about intoxicants applies in such cases because it isn't being used for intoxication, but to allow someone to have a life and work and remove the pain.

 

The problem with recreational use is that unlike alcohol, the smoke spreads and it ends up shared with people who don't want to smoke it. There's also the issue of delayed reaction times etc, which apply and can cause problems while someone is driving for example. I'd also want to reduce recreational smoking as if recreational smokers ever needed to use it for pain relief, if they have built a tolerance it may not work.

 

However, if someone wants to do this somewhere where only like-minded individuals are around, and they aren't putting anyone else at risk that is between them and their conscience.

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I'm not in favour of weed or rather not the recreational use of it, but if it is necessary for medicinal use or pain relief that is completely acceptable to me. I don't think the Bible verse about intoxicants applies in such cases because it isn't being used for intoxication, but to allow someone to have a life and work and remove the pain.

 

The problem with recreational use is that unlike alcohol, the smoke spreads and it ends up shared with people who don't want to smoke it. There's also the issue of delayed reaction times etc, which apply and can cause problems while someone is driving for example. I'd also want to reduce recreational smoking as if recreational smokers ever needed to use it for pain relief, if they have built a tolerance it may not work.

 

However, if someone wants to do this somewhere where only like-minded individuals are around, and they aren't putting anyone else at risk that is between them and their conscience.

 

I agree. I don't think it's any worse than any other medicine. It's probably better for you than opiates.

 

You make a good point. I have heard of "contact high," There is also the issue of second hand smoke. People should definitely be considerate of others if they are going to use it.

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I think marijuana may help some very ill people,but having that smoke in your lungs is not for me,and it has many of the same chemicals as tobacco smoke, including ammonia,hydrogen cyanide,and formaldehyde, also some of these chemicals are known to cause cancer as well. Their is no proof that smoking weed causes lung cancer though like cigarettes, but pot smoking does lead to cough and wheezing.

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For medicinal purposes, it doesn't have to be smoke-able "weed." There are different forms of it that can be used, when it's used as medicine.

 

I never did understand how opiates can be considered okay, but drugs made from "weed" are not. Marijuana grows from the earth, so do poppies. So, really, what's the difference?

 

I think the stigma is ridiculous. It seems like most people are just afraid that this will be abused (but then, aren't other prescription drugs as well?) If someone is in chronic pain and this will help, can you really blame them for wanting to try it and see if it does help?

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Personally I don't mind people using marijuana for medical purposes (either physical or psychological), however I do have a problem when people close to me begin to obviously abuse it and "can't live without it" (in their own words). There's users that say it's not an addictive substance, that it's up to the user to quit. I agree that it's up to the user, but sugar is also considered a non-addictive substance and people abuse sugar intake all the time. It's easy to fall into abusing anything you can get a hold of when life doesn't work out the way you expected. There's a reason that low-income families score higher in smoking and obesity.

 

 

helps recreating brain cells and stops and in some cases even heals cancer.

 

This is not exactly accurate, as weed only helps with brain cells after trauma or a stroke. It's the other way around however when it comes to adolescents, where it's been found that regular (weekly to daily) use of weed actually inhibits learning processes, the younger the adolescent is. This is actually the reason I'm against legalising non-medical use of marijuana to underaged individuals..

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All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

1Co 6:13

Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

Matt, 15:10, Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “Listen and understand. 11A man is not defiled by what enters his mouth, but by what comes out of it.”

I don't smoke or drink and the people I know who do so really aren't as clever as they consider themselves to be while under the influence.  Therein lies the risk, the sacrifice of reason and self control for pleasure.

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The Bible allows alcohol in moderation and even recommends it in one verse.  Jesus drank wine, as did Daniel I believe and many others.  They use to make wine offerings to the Lord.  So I wonder if someone can not drink wine due to medical reasons, say they have a bad liver, can they smoke pot instead if it is recreationally legal?  

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Wow a thread from the past comes alive once more.

 In Missouri medical weed was voted in on Nov. 6th. I know the next step will be the voting in of recreational weed, one follows the other always. Weed is a big cash crop for a states taxes. But don't kid your self crime, auto accidents follow when voters so stupidly approve this drug. Yes weed is a drug, it alters the brain cells.

 

For years the medical community has been telling us smoking is bad and harmful to our bodies. Now the profit hungry greedy companies and people seeking to make money at any cost, even to destroy your health so they can get wealthy. Only ignorant persons who are gullible enough to believe that smoking this drug will make them enjoy life to the fullest. Smoking weed for a Christian is sin, as we all know smoking is a serious threat to our lives, and as many can say with real authority smoking is very difficult to stop. While in the Navy and a few years later I smoked a pipe. I enjoyed smoking a pipe. When our middle daughter was born prematurely, the doctor said I must stop smoking right then and there. I found quitting smoking my pipe was painful, but I stopped cold turkey. Never to smoke a pipe ever again. Its funny I never see men smoking a pipe any more, I wonder why? Maybe weed smokers might start using a pipe.

 

Its easy to point out someone else's sin, but please don't point mine out. Ya know don't judge me, right?    

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I believe it is okay to use weed as a medicine; eg. chronic pain. As with other drugs, it can be abused. I would caution in its use though. I know someone who was adamant against drugs. They were on heavy OTC's for pain which caused them to pass out, etc... so they started vaping weed. Well, it led to more, and now they're addicted. They started bonging. 

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On ‎1‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 2:37 AM, ChatterBox said:

I'm not in favour of weed or rather not the recreational use of it, but if it is necessary for medicinal use or pain relief that is completely acceptable to me. I don't think the Bible verse about intoxicants applies in such cases because it isn't being used for intoxication, but to allow someone to have a life and work and remove the pain.

 

The problem with recreational use is that unlike alcohol, the smoke spreads and it ends up shared with people who don't want to smoke it. There's also the issue of delayed reaction times etc, which apply and can cause problems while someone is driving for example. I'd also want to reduce recreational smoking as if recreational smokers ever needed to use it for pain relief, if they have built a tolerance it may not work.

 

However, if someone wants to do this somewhere where only like-minded individuals are around, and they aren't putting anyone else at risk that is between them and their conscience.

What's the difference between driving drunk while consuming alcohol or driving while consuming weed ? They both put human lives in jeopardy .

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On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 4:45 AM, ElenaCM said:

I believe it is okay to use weed as a medicine; eg. chronic pain. As with other drugs, it can be abused. I would caution in its use though. I know someone who was adamant against drugs. They were on heavy OTC's for pain which caused them to pass out, etc... so they started vaping weed. Well, it led to more, and now they're addicted. They started bonging. 

If chronic pain is consistent and someone has to use marijuana then at what point are they relieved of the pain ? I'm saying that because someone may be in constant unbearable pain and have to use it continually to relieve the pain . But ,not being an expert on the subject , it seems that the use of marijuana over long periods of time would ultimately claim its victim's life.

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On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 6:33 PM, JoelNL231 said:

Hey, i'm wondering what is the bibical, and what is your personal opinion about Weed? I know that the bible discusses mind altering drugs, but not weed specificaly and it has been scientifically proven that Weed isn't that bad for you at all, it actually helps recreating brain cells and stops and in some cases even heals cancer.

I'm not trying to encourage anyone to use it, i'm just curious about it.

I still can't determine  the difference between driving while high on marijuana or a six pack of Bud Lite . The product in the hands of an incompetent driver is dangerous in my opinion . And as for making this stuff legal for

" medical purposes " is in my opinion nonsense . I stated on another posting that if someone is in continual pain and has to use this product ,then where does the end of its use happen ? In plain English I an suggesting that at some point the user or the product must ultimately end .

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Let's establish who I am first.

 

i did three tours in South Vietnam, where I transitioned from Wild Turkey 101 to any form of liquor, weed and any other drug I could purchase on a wide open Black Market.  For, entirely to many folks, mary jane is the entry door to the drug culture of waste and death.  Alcohol is the same door for an even larger group to become losers.

 

Having spent better than twenty-five year jumping on and off the stage, I had all of the free drugs, liquor and young women that can be used to tempt a man and tempted, I indulged, as long as I was single or they had put our lives together in File Thirteen.

 

Now, who am I... right now?

 

I awaken, every day in agonizing pain, so much so that my Synthetic Opiate only reduces the pain from the effects of the Round-Up/Agents Orange, White and Blue induced Multiple Sclerosis.  Please, tell me, do any of you other Experts suffer with better than seventy scars on your brain from your Immune System working day and night, 365 days a year to terminate your lives?  Or for that matter, do any suffer constant, never ending debilitating pain?

 

No!  I will not harm my witness by engaging in foolish contests with any thathave3 not smoked, shot, gulped, and snorted dope for  less than thirty years.  Beginners have no real concept to work from when discussing any form of Drug Abuse.  The end truth of the matter is, drugs are wrecking and the World Civilization and the Lost have been turned over to a Reprobate Mindset.

 

How does one judge himself?  Romans 1 contains the prophecy in the last verses.of Romans 1 and our instruction to avoid this condition is found in 2Tim 2:15.  And if any human being will begin their Spiritual Journey by submitting to our Triune Elohim on this, very, critical command from YHWH will, through the reading and the teaching of Ruah, the Holy Ghost, will learn that submission to YHWH

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1 hour ago, Bill Taylor said:

The end truth of the matter is, drugs are wrecking and the World Civilization and the Lost have been turned over to a Reprobate Mindset.

 

 The road to destruction is wide and sadly so many people are "partying up" full throttle. 

 I am thankful to God that is one vice I never got into - drugs. I have and still do experience runners high. But studying the Bible and walking in fellowship with the Lord is the greatest and most wonderful feeling imaginable.

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Let's establish who I am first.

 

i did three tours in South Vietnam, where I transitioned from Wild Turkey 101 to any form of liquor, weed and any other drug I could purchase on a wide open Black Market.  For, entirely to many folks, mary jane is the entry door to the drug culture of waste and death.  Alcohol is the same door for an even larger group to become losers.

 

Having spent better than twenty-five year jumping on and off the stage, I had all of the free drugs, liquor and young women that can be used to tempt a man and tempted, I indulged, as long as I was single or they had put our lives together in File Thirteen.

 

Now, who am I... right now?

 

I awaken, every day in agonizing pain, so much so that my Synthetic Opiate only reduces the pain from the effects of the Round-Up/Agents Orange, White and Blue induced Multiple Sclerosis.  Please, tell me, do any of you other Experts suffer with better than seventy scars on your brain from your Immune System working day and night, 365 days a year to terminate your lives?  Or for that matter, do any suffer constant, never ending debilitating pain?

 

No!  I will not harm my witness by engaging in foolish contests with any thathave3 not smoked, shot, gulped, and snorted dope for  less than thirty years.  Beginners have no real concept to work from when discussing any form of Drug Abuse.  The end truth of the matter is, drugs are wrecking and the World Civilization and the Lost have been turned over to a Reprobate Mindset.

 

How does one judge himself?  Romans 1 contains the prophecy in the last verses.of Romans 1 and our instruction to avoid this condition is found in 2Tim 2:15.  And if any human being will begin their Spiritual Journey by submitting to our Triune Elohim on this, very, critical command from YHWH will, through the reading and the teaching of Ruah, the Holy Ghost, will learn that submission to YHWH is a 365 day a year, every month filled with every day produced by every second of every minute attention to Living The Holy Life YHWH has called every human on this Earth and that has ever tromped any portion of this Eartstudy to show thyself approved scriptureh to Walk In.

 

The long and the short of the matter is we are to be drunk in the Spirit, Eph 5:18 to be drunk with the Infilling of Ruah, the Holy Drunkenness.

 

I apologize for the short post but my right hand is a mess with almost no nerves left in it but with a mind of it's own.

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9 hours ago, William said:

 

 

I think it is fine for true medical use and for people that cannot drink alcohol for whatever reason.  I think alcohol is probably worse for a person overall than marijuana.  If it is legalized for recreational use then I don't have a problem with it either (as long as it's legal).  I usually agree with Todd Friel but not on this issue, the age of the universe, or the age of retirement.

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