Here's why we need a wall at the Mexican border

[Cornelius 67,445]

Fox News exposes the inadequacy of the current fence:

 

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The $75 cost of a passport in Mexico has the border crossings secure. Right? So, we need to focus on the rest of the border.

 

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(If a wall would actually help, our ***ish Supreme Court would rule it unconstitutional.)

 

What we need is to adopt "Mexico's immigration laws" (real border control is not at the border). But, all we have to vote for are Amnesty Republicans (Jeb Bush, Rubio) and Wall Republicans (Trump, Cruz), all of which play conservatives for fools.

 

 

 

 

 

[Cornelius 67,445]

News 2020: The Trump Wall has reduced illegal immigration (crossing the border without declaring entry).

 

News 2021: In a 5-4 decision, Ginsburg, Breyer, Kegan, Sotomayor, and Garland ordered the federal government to tear down that wall, writing that the wall violates the constitutional right to freedom of movement of Americans. Ginsburg noted that immigrants and visitors can simply meet their obligations by visiting one of the ubiquitous immigration facilitation offices to declare entry. In the dissenting opinion, Roberts wrote that that the minor inconvenience of the wall to entry is offset by the need to assure that the people entering the US have declared their entry, thus avoiding undocumented presence and protecting the government's right to monitor everyone.

 

News 2025: President of the Southern Baptists, after establishing an Affirmative Action program for married lesbian pastors (per federal regulations for churches), said "I am delighted that we can now move on to address the need to carpet bomb Jordan because they've refused to force Christians to move out of western Jordan to give Israel a secure buffer zone. "

 

 

 

 

[Thomas Pendrake 20,654]

Just WHY was Sodom destroyed? Being inhospitable to strangers! What did Jesus say in Matthew 25:31ff? Guess WHO that illegal immigrant is. Notice that Jesus related this story to his disciples, but the message applies to EVERYONE!

[th1b.taylor 41,704]

I cannot see if you are for or against proper control of our borders but I am going to be clear about this. I was a successful carpenter and all my jobs drew top pay. I paid beginners at ten dollar an hour and when the Mexicans and other Central Americans arrived here, in Texas, in the eighties building slop for three, twenty-five, they put me and my men out of business. Build the wall!

[Beardedfellow 26]

Building a wall on the boarder is a ridiculous idea, just looking at the cost and logistics of it makes me cringe. So many things that haven't been addressed properly like where is the money going to come from? Who is going to man the walls (The main reason the wall of china was historically successful at keeping the mongols out was because of the people manning the wall, and not just the wall itself.)?

 

Anyway, its a childish idea, and if they want immigration control they are going to have to come up with something that actually will work and not something that a child would come up with.

[Novelangel 21,292]

Building a wall on the boarder is a ridiculous idea, just looking at the cost and logistics of it makes me cringe. So many things that haven't been addressed properly like where is the money going to come from? Who is going to man the walls (The main reason the wall of china was historically successful at keeping the mongols out was because of the people manning the wall, and not just the wall itself.)?

 

Anyway, its a childish idea, and if they want immigration control they are going to have to come up with something that actually will work and not something that a child would come up with.

 

People already are "manning the wall", so to speak. Border patrols cruise those regions every single day and night, and they do it not just to guard against illegals coming into the U.S., but also to quickly reach and help those same illegals, so they don't die from heat stroke out in the desert. These are the people who would man the wall if it is built, people who have been doing this job for decades already. Yes, the wall is supposed to guard against illegal immigration and its drain on our economy, but it will also protect those desperate individuals who are trying to get to the U.S. through any means possible. Seriously, those people can DIE out there and often do, if nobody comes to give them fresh water and get them out of the elements.

[th1b.taylor 41,704]

Building a wall on the boarder is a ridiculous idea, just looking at the cost and logistics of it makes me cringe. So many things that haven't been addressed properly like where is the money going to come from? Who is going to man the walls (The main reason the wall of china was historically successful at keeping the mongols out was because of the people manning the wall, and not just the wall itself.)?

 

Anyway, its a childish idea, and if they want immigration control they are going to have to come up with something that actually will work and not something that a child would come up with.

If you had been listening, Mr. Trump has addressed those issues. And if I recall correctly the cost is a couple of Billion and Texas, alone spends more than that every two or three years policing the creeps making the lost money a major factor. Take the other Border States into consideration and the saved funds would pay for the Wall in less than one year.

 

Do you live in a Border State?

 

Do you even know what MS13 is?

[petesede 370]

Building a wall on the boarder is a ridiculous idea, just looking at the cost and logistics of it makes me cringe. So many things that haven't been addressed properly like where is the money going to come from? Who is going to man the walls (The main reason the wall of china was historically successful at keeping the mongols out was because of the people manning the wall, and not just the wall itself.)?

 

Anyway, its a childish idea, and if they want immigration control they are going to have to come up with something that actually will work and not something that a child would come up with.

 

 

Absolutely. We will spend $20 billion dollars to build a wall, A mexican will buy a 31 foot fence for $20. Also, San Diego has a wall, and there are hundreds of tunnels under it. Put it this way. El Chap was able to build a tunnel a mile long and connect it exactly with his prison cell in order to escape maximum security prison... he did it in less than 4 months. The wall is going to be 1000 miles long, there will be 1000 tunnels under it within a year.

[Corzhens 92]

This migration is getting to be a big problem with host governments. There is a move by Greece and other European countries to stem the tide of Syrian migrants who come in droves, searching for a place to live. This is a double-faced issue to me. I can't imagine the pathetic situation of the migrants particularly those in search of a home. What if we are one of those migrants?

 

Although Mexico has a different color from Syria, the migrants mostly are from other South (or central) American countries like Ecuador and Guatemala. From a documentary, it was shown that crime was so high in their countries that they pay a big amount so one of their children can go to Mexico in the hope of crossing the border. And when that child succeeds, the family will wait until their child is settled to get them to America. The wife of my husband's cousin in America is a Guatemalan. She was a successful migrant who crossed the border sometime in the 1980s. When sghe got a good job, she was able to get her parents to the US.

 

Now, if the border wall will be created then all those American dreams of Central and South Americans will be snuffed.

[Thomas Pendrake 20,654]

I cannot see if you are for or against proper control of our borders but I am going to be clear about this. I was a successful carpenter and all my jobs drew top pay. I paid beginners at ten dollar an hour and when the Mexicans and other Central Americans arrived here, in Texas, in the eighties building slop for three, twenty-five, they put me and my men out of business. Build the wall!

Let me make it clear, Sodom was destroyed because of being inhospitable to strangers. Jesus made it clear that HE is "the least of these", and when you refuse to help needy people, it is HE who you turn away. Don't forget, the reason Right wingers oppose immigration reform is that THEY arfe the ones who employ undocumented workers. Strengthen the Unions, hire Union labor!!!!

[OursIsTheFury 96]

While it is true that people illegally coming through the borders are a menace, since they usually come carrying illegal items such as firearms and drugs, but a wall wouldn't be able to do the job. A stricter security would be a much better fit rather than a literal wall, and more detailed processing when scanning potential immigrants. That is what they should do, not spend millions recreating China's World Wonder.

[theophilus 2,053,831]

Did it occur to anyone that God might have a reason for allowing so many illegal immigrants to try to enter this country?

 

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/immigration-and-evangelism/

 

Instead of trying to keep immigrants out of the country Christians should be trying to reach them with the gospel.

[Novelangel 21,292]

Did it occur to anyone that God might have a reason for allowing so many illegal immigrants to try to enter this country?

 

https://clydeherrin.wordpress.com/2015/04/23/immigration-and-evangelism/

 

Instead of trying to keep immigrants out of the country Christians should be trying to reach them with the gospel.

Interesting. This is the first time I've ever heard a Christian give this statement. I congratulate you, theophilus, for thinking out of the box. I'm actually for the wall for a lot of reasons, as my post above shows, but I think you have a strong point here. However, another thing we Christians might want to do is travel to those countries that are spitting out immigrants left and right and reach them where they are. In this way, we can learn for ourselves WHY they are so desperate to get out of their situation. If we walk a few miles in their shoes, we will have a much better understanding of the illegal alien mindset. Perhaps if we helped them to live better lives in their own countries, they wouldn't be so eager to enter the U.S. that they feel the need to do it against the law.

[LivingH2O 35]

The problem with a wall is that people can dig underneath it. Just the other day they found a tunnel, with a rail line, running from Mexico into Southern California. In the tunnel they found 1 ton of cocaine, and addition 8 tons or so of marijuana. Who knows how long this tunnel has been there. Thankfully they were able to stop that shipment of drugs making it through. Look at Israel though. There are tunnels that are dug underneath the wall to get into Israel from Palestine. It will just cost additional money and manpower to monitor the land around the walls to prevent digging.

[theophilus 2,053,831]

The problem with a wall is that people can dig underneath it. Just the other day they found a tunnel, with a rail line, running from Mexico into Southern California. In the tunnel they found 1 ton of cocaine, and addition 8 tons or so of marijuana. Who knows how long this tunnel has been there. Thankfully they were able to stop that shipment of drugs making it through. Look at Israel though. There are tunnels that are dug underneath the wall to get into Israel from Palestine. It will just cost additional money and manpower to monitor the land around the walls to prevent digging.

This proves that walls are ineffective against criminals who have the resources to find ways around and under them. Walls do keep out poor people who are simply looking for a chance to make a living and who would be an asset to our country.

[pwarbi 42]

When I first heard the "why don't we just build a big wall?" Idea, I wasn't sure if they was being totally serious to be honest but the more time goes on, the more I can see the idea is being considered a good one by a lot of people and I'm still mystified why?

 

What's a wall going to do if it isn't monitored 24/7? You can go under or over a wall if not, and there's no way that every section of this wall be be manned.

[LeapOfFaith89 5,701]

I think the wall, if tall enough would deter most of the incoming illegal immigrants. The problem isn't the wall, it's the lack of a real punishment for trespassers. Every country has a right to defend it's borders but in America, you get free healthcare and most of our social programs that we pay with our taxes. We need to get rid of the DREAM act that lets illegals go to college with taxpayers money when most of our kids can't afford to go or finish college. We give our kids Social Security Numbers, and we should be using those to accept kids into our public schools. If you don't pay taxes here, you don't get the benefits. The wall isn't enough, we need to make them uncomfortable living here as a criminal.

[LeapOfFaith89 5,701]

Just WHY was Sodom destroyed? Being inhospitable to strangers! What did Jesus say in Matthew 25:31ff? Guess WHO that illegal immigrant is. Notice that Jesus related this story to his disciples, but the message applies to EVERYONE!

 

Reread that story, Sodom got destroyed because they wanted to gang rape the two angels, aka 'know them'. They were destroyed because they were basically the original Las Vegas of the Middle East. It wasn't just being inhospitable it was about being violent and doing sodomy to angels.

 

The Matthew quote is a good reference but all that help that could be given to people who had to go through the legal process of coming into America is being dolled out to people who don't respect this country enough to come here legally. It's not fair to the other immigrants who make sure their papers are in order, who pay the fees, and spend time in what is probably a version of green card DMV hell.

[Nahum 17,661]

Let me make it clear, Sodom was destroyed because of being inhospitable to strangers.

 

It is not an either/or. The Bible is quite clear that sin of Sodom was both sexual sin (including homosexuality) and inhospitality to the poor (see Genesis chapter 19 and Ezekiel 16:49-50). And, as with all things Bible, scripture must be interrupted in light of scripture. In this case, it clear from both the Old and New Testaments that not being concerned for our fellow humans is a sin and homosexuality is an abomination.

[th1b.taylor 41,704]

Let me make it clear, Sodom was destroyed because of being inhospitable to strangers. Jesus made it clear that HE is "the least of these", and when you refuse to help needy people, it is HE who you turn away. Don't forget, the reason Right wingers oppose immigration reform is that THEY arfe the ones who employ undocumented workers. Strengthen the Unions, hire Union labor!!!!

 

That, neighbor, is not true, Sodom was destroyed because of Homosexuality. The Churches that teach what you have said are not part of God's church.

[Happyflowerlady 3,211]

We here in America have always been know for helping any time that any other country needed help, such as the large earthquakes, or the tsunami's, and hurricanes. We have also welcomed in poor people from just about anywhere, and did our best to give them the same chances in life that the rest of us have.

However, the situation that we have now, is that we have criminals coming into this country, bringing drugs, human trafficking, and all the other criminal elements. These criminals (and their families) should be kept out at all costs.

Even the people who sneak across the borders only because they want to better their life and find a job are a problem. There are too many of them, and we can't even take care of our own poor people, and our military veterans are living out on the street, while the illegal people are put into housing,and get food stamps, and all of the available welfare benefits.

I am a senior citizen, and we have not had an increase for cost of living in our Social Security pensions for the last several years, and even when we do get one, it is just pennies. I am for helping people that come here legally, and are actual immigrants who have gone through the proper process of coming here to live and work; but I am totally against helping the ones who sneak in here illegally, and then reap all of the monetary benefits while our own people are left out.

If Donald Trump does build the wall, it will at least help to stop the people who just walk across the border. Our Border Patrol can't be everywhere at once, and having a fence will at least stop the ones coming across where no one is watching.

One of Trump's plans is that our businesses who go to other countries like Mexico will not be able to just sell their products here after making them cheaply in Mexico. There will be tariffs and taxes, which will more than pay for the construction of this wall.

As Trump has said , over and over, Mexico will pay for the wall. Maybe not directly, but once they have to pay for shipping products here, it will definitely pay for the financing of this wall.

Mexicans and Central Americans not only take away the jobs from our own workers, as th1b.taylor mentioned; but they also send their paychecks, thousands and thousands of dollars each week, back into their home country.

[th1b.taylor 41,704]

We here in America have always been know for helping any time that any other country needed help, such as the large earthquakes, or the tsunami's, and hurricanes. We have also welcomed in poor people from just about anywhere, and did our best to give them the same chances in life that the rest of us have.

However, the situation that we have now, is that we have criminals coming into this country, bringing drugs, human trafficking, and all the other criminal elements. These criminals (and their families) should be kept out at all costs.

Even the people who sneak across the borders only because they want to better their life and find a job are a problem. There are too many of them, and we can't even take care of our own poor people, and our military veterans are living out on the street, while the illegal people are put into housing,and get food stamps, and all of the available welfare benefits.

I am a senior citizen, and we have not had an increase for cost of living in our Social Security pensions for the last several years, and even when we do get one, it is just pennies. I am for helping people that come here legally, and are actual immigrants who have gone through the proper process of coming here to live and work; but I am totally against helping the ones who sneak in here illegally, and then reap all of the monetary benefits while our own people are left out.

If Donald Trump does build the wall, it will at least help to stop the people who just walk across the border. Our Border Patrol can't be everywhere at once, and having a fence will at least stop the ones coming across where no one is watching.

One of Trump's plans is that our businesses who go to other countries like Mexico will not be able to just sell their products here after making them cheaply in Mexico. There will be tariffs and taxes, which will more than pay for the construction of this wall.

As Trump has said , over and over, Mexico will pay for the wall. Maybe not directly, but once they have to pay for shipping products here, it will definitely pay for the financing of this wall.

Mexicans and Central Americans not only take away the jobs from our own workers, as th1b.taylor mentioned; but they also send their paychecks, thousands and thousands of dollars each week, back into their home country.

 

Yes mam, and I know all that you have said is true because I will soon be seventy-two and I fought three tours in South Vietnam when LBJ would not let us win and end that war. May God bless you and yours as He has me and mine.

[Happyflowerlady 3,211]

I am just the same age as you, will also be 72 in January. My husband (Bobby Cole on here) was also in the war in Vietnam Nam, and fought for our country just like you (and many other veterans) did back then.

He worked in the homeless ministry for many years, so he understands all about what happens to our veterans and how they are not taken care of by the government and the Dept. of Veterans Affairs.

May God bless you and yours, as well !

Even though the globalist media are throwing all of the dirt they can to try and (wrongfully) discredit Donald Trump, I do believe that he really DOES care about our country, and our veterans. Even before he is elected, he has donated money to help the vets, and tried to get the Clinton News Network (CNN) to do the same when they hosted one of the early GOP debates.

Edited October 22, 2016 by Happyflowerlady

[th1b.taylor 41,704]

I am just the same age as you, will also be 72 in January. My husband (Bobby Cole on here) was also in the war in Vietnam Nam, and fought for our country just like you (and many other veterans) did back then.

He worked in the homeless ministry for many years, so he understands all about what happens to our veterans and how they are not taken care of by the government and the Dept. of Veterans Affairs.

May God bless you and yours, as well !

Even though the globalist media are throwing all of the dirt they can to try and (wrongfully) discredit Donald Trump, I do believe that he really DOES care about our country, and our veterans. Even before he is elected, he has donated money to help the vets, and tried to get the Clinton News Network (CNN) to do the same when they hosted one of the early GOP debates.

 

Well, I like your spunk and your attitude. If you can live with our nightmares you are one fine lady. May God always bless you and yours.

[Bobby Cole 2,237]

There are a couple of things going on in this thread that I might possibly shed some light upon, or at least provoke some more thought on the subjects.

 

On the subject of legitimizing a wall on the American southern border, there are indeed a few precedents that the Bible, particularly the Old Testament, provides.

First, were the Jews supposed to protect the borders of their new found land? Absolutely, and by whatever means the Lord commanded and generally at all costs.

 

Second, were the Jews supposed to receive "Peaceful" strangers into their lands? Yes, with a caveat. Although they were commanded to receive strangers and receive them with food and shelter, if the travelers wished to stay any length of time, they were expected to learn the ways of God. If they did not wish to learn then they were ushered out with their health intact, provided of course they were indeed peaceful people.

Note: Even if a stranger became accustomed to the culture, habits, and adopted the ways of God, the tribes were still commanded not to intermingle and marry.

 

Now to the Sodom debate. Both sides of the coin can be looked at with a little confidence that both are true but not as a singular entity as to why the city was destroyed. A couple of questions perhaps might ease some of the tension: What was it about Nineveh that God felt so strongly about, concerning it's destruction? Why was Jonah sent there to preach and what happened when they repented? What was it about the world that sparked God's vengeance so much that He cleansed the world with flooding and death? A comparative study would reveal a lot of alarming similarities as to the depth of God's tolerance.

 

Perhaps asking more questions in order to put things into a better perspective might add to the conversation, or so I would hope.

 

God Bless.........Bobby