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How you know that you are saved, what is your answer ?

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I think most members here are friendly.Resently someone asked me a question that how do you know that you are saved, Even i didnt know the answer and i am puzzled about it, So i look forward to discuss it with you . how you know that you are saved,what is your answer ?

 

God bless you!

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There are people who think they're saved but they're not, Matthew 7:21-23. Every indication in the Bible is that few are saved (The Wide vs. Narrow way, Noah's Flood, Lot and Sodom, The people in the desert kept out of the Promised Land, etc.). Over history there will be a great multitude saved, but that can still be a very small portion of everyone.

 

The Bible instructs us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. And, Jesus tells us not to fear those who can kill just the body, but to fear Him who can destroy both the body and the soul in Hell. So, here's one way to know you're saved, if you fear God. When I see TV preachers undeniably misrepresent the Bible, I conclude they're not saved because they have no fear of God. They calculate what they can say to bring in the most money, without fear of displeasing God.

 

The sum of the Law is to love God and our neighbor. If you utmost love God, you're saved. A TV preacher who loves God wouldn't dream of misrepresenting God's word, for any reason. A TV preacher who loves his neighbor wouldn't lie to people to get them to give money.

 

You know you're saved by the fruits of of the Spirit. The love of God leads to a transformed life, were we always seek to please God (avoiding sin, studying His Word, and worshiping Him). A love of neighbor is displayed by love as explained by Paul in 1Cor13, "Love is kind..."

 

 

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I think most members here are friendly.Resently someone asked me a question that how do you know that you are saved, Even i didnt know the answer and i am puzzled about it, So i look forward to discuss it with you . how you know that you are saved,what is your answer ?

 

God bless you!

 

I know I have eternal life because I have believed on God and Christ. John 5:24 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life. " And John 6:47 " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. "

 

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Hi Cornelius,Thanks for your reply, I agree with your opinion ,and like it very much. Even I also follow it to do ,but I feel we cannt satisfy God ,just as Paul in Romans said: “ For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.”For I am conscious that in me, that is, in my flesh, there is nothing good: I have the mind but not the power to do what is right”.

So I am very worried ,Whether I am saved or not . Do you have this experience , How do you walk in God´s way in your actural life ? How do you pursuE to love God? What is your grace from the Lord (such as See vision), Could you share it with me?

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We can't satisfy God, but we can have the constant desire to please God. We'll come up short in our actions, but our desire, what Paul called his mind, to do what is right is itself is a reflection of those saved in Christ. That desire produces growth. Do you think about life more and more in the context of Christ? Do you find yourself doing a better job living up to Paul's definition of love? Or, are you not growing, except in doubt?

 

I'm not saying it's wrong to be worried, but what is the source of your worry?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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We can't satisfy God, but we can have the constant desire to please God. We'll come up short in our actions, but our desire, what Paul called his mind, to do what is right is itself is a reflection of those saved in Christ. That desire produces growth. Do you think about life more and more in the context of Christ? Do you find yourself doing a better job living up to Paul's definition of love? Or, are you not growing, except in doubt?

 

I'm not saying it's wrong to be worried, but what is the source of your worry?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Cornelius, I'm very happy to receive your reply. Thanks to God's love, we can discuss about bible verses here. Hope that I can get answer from you.

I read two verses in the Bible: ”..holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14) " ...you shall therefore be holy, for I am holy." (Leviticus 11:45)

From them, I realize that the ones who can enter the kingdom of heaven are those who attain holiness and never sin. But now we still commit sins and are not holy yet. So I’m worried: In such a condition, can we enter into the kingdom of heaven? How do you understand “entering into the kingdom of heaven”? That is, how do you understand the two verses? I’d like to hear your view.Marry Christmas

 

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the ones who can enter the kingdom of heaven are those who attain holiness and never sin. But now we still commit sins and are not holy yet.

Jesus Christ is the only one who ever achieved this level of holiness. In ourselves we cannot help sinning but when we put our faith in Christ we are born again and receive a new nature which cannot sin. We can still sin but this new nature won't allow us to continue in sin.

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

(1 John 3:9-10 ESV)

This doesn't say that a Christian can't sin but that if he does he will be unhappy and want to repent. If we have sincerely put our faith in Christ he has taken our sins on ourselves and God sees us as if we were without sin.

 

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Hello Cornelius, I'm very happy to receive your reply. Thanks to God's love, we can discuss about bible verses here. Hope that I can get answer from you.

I read two verses in the Bible: ”..holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14) " ...you shall therefore be holy, for I am holy." (Leviticus 11:45)

From them, I realize that the ones who can enter the kingdom of heaven are those who attain holiness and never sin. But now we still commit sins and are not holy yet. So I’m worried: In such a condition, can we enter into the kingdom of heaven? How do you understand “entering into the kingdom of heaven”? That is, how do you understand the two verses? I’d like to hear your view.Marry Christmas

 

God bless

 

Do you remember Matthew 6:24

“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money."

 

Think about it. If that is true, then you cannot want to obey God and want to sin. If you "love" God, then you will "hate" the sin that you fall in to.

On the other hand, if you are "devoted" to sin and the world, then you will "despise" God.

The very fact that you want to please God, that your sin bothers you, is evidence of the direction in which your heart is pointed.

 

Salvation comes from knowing what God requires and doing it (which if you have read your scripture, you know is about Faith in Jesus and not Works to earn forgiveness). Assurance comes from time spent watching the change in your heart and accepting that it is a permanent transformation. The further your walk takes you from your old self, and the closer you get to the man that God has called you to be, the easier it is to see what God has done, is doing, and will complete.

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Jesus Christ is the only one who ever achieved this level of holiness. In ourselves we cannot help sinning but when we put our faith in Christ we are born again and receive a new nature which cannot sin. We can still sin but this new nature won't allow us to continue in sin.

No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God. By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

(1 John 3:9-10 ESV)

This doesn't say that a Christian can't sin but that if he does he will be unhappy and want to repent. If we have sincerely put our faith in Christ he has taken our sins on ourselves and God sees us as if we were without sin.

 

Thanks for your opinion, I'm not clear about the topic "how to enter into the kingdom of heaven?" indication in the Bible: “And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. And nothing unclean may come into it, or anyone whose works are cursed or false; but only those whose names are in the Lamb's book of life.” (revelation 21:27). What's your understanding about this verse?

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I think most members here are friendly.Resently someone asked me a question that how do you know that you are saved, Even i didnt know the answer and i am puzzled about it, So i look forward to discuss it with you . how you know that you are saved,what is your answer ?

 

God bless you!

 

 

We're not saved by feeling. We are saved by faith in the gospel.

We should examine ourselves but what does the Bible say?

 

John says we can know:

 

 

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

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2 reasons for me, 1, Christ died for me and God cannot lie, and 2 He has done the impossible, He changed me, my heart was at one time was sold out to lust and every kind of evil until I came to Christ and now sin isn't so appealing as it was.

 

Don't get me wrong I do still struggle at times especially with condemnation, but Christ died for sinners of which I am the worst.

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Clerly it says in the bible that al christians are not saved, since its state with goats and sheep, that people are judged by God how the treat Jesus and gods chosen that serves mankind, peopel dont even seam to know who those chosen are. These chosen acording to the bible shuld not sin, or they cant help us others that sin alot with their gifts, couse none will inherit the gifts if they sin. Bible says if someone decives one of these chosen, its bether to basicly jump into the water. That means, doin bad things, and teach others to do bad things brings justice over our lives.

 

I have gotten help from a priest and prophet to understand this, you can find her on facebook if you guys need further help since she serves God.

 

Eva virginius on facebook(shes swedish)

 

GOD's messages (on facebook community)

 

Her blogg (you can find her blog truw facebook)

 

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There are people who think they're saved but they're not, Matthew 7:21-23. Every indication in the Bible is that few are saved (The Wide vs. Narrow way, Noah's Flood, Lot and Sodom, The people in the desert kept out of the Promised Land, etc.). Over history there will be a great multitude saved, but that can still be a very small portion of everyone.

 

The Bible instructs us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. And, Jesus tells us not to fear those who can kill just the body, but to fear Him who can destroy both the body and the soul in Hell. So, here's one way to know you're saved, if you fear God. When I see TV preachers undeniably misrepresent the Bible, I conclude they're not saved because they have no fear of God. They calculate what they can say to bring in the most money, without fear of displeasing God.

 

The sum of the Law is to love God and our neighbor. If you utmost love God, you're saved. A TV preacher who loves God wouldn't dream of misrepresenting God's word, for any reason. A TV preacher who loves his neighbor wouldn't lie to people to get them to give money.

 

You know you're saved by the fruits of of the Spirit. The love of God leads to a transformed life, were we always seek to please God (avoiding sin, studying His Word, and worshiping Him). A love of neighbor is displayed by love as explained by Paul in 1Cor13, "Love is kind..."

 

 

The amount of people who take Jesus for their personal savior is a fraction of the population. I think maybe you are putting narrow a bit too narrow. Even at a single point in time now, only a very small percentage of a handful of countries have Christianity taught to them to the point of understanding Jesus as the only path. When you think about the world´s big populations like China and India, which are largely not saved... yes.. we are the narrow path.

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The operative word is belief. If you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that He died and was resurrected from the dead, you shall be saved. This is written so that you can know that you are saved. Believe in the Bible as the inerrant infallible word of God and you are saved, though you may not understand it all, as you come across the doctrines, you believe them. Believe and receive eternal life. He who perseveres to the end shall be saved. This is done by the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer. He never leaves us or forsakes us. The Bible gives us many ways to know that we are saved. Believe.

 

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The operative word is belief. If you believe in your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that He died and was resurrected from the dead, you shall be saved. This is written so that you can know that you are saved. Believe in the Bible as the inerrant infallible word of God and you are saved, though you may not understand it all, as you come across the doctrines, you believe them. Believe and receive eternal life. He who perseveres to the end shall be saved. This is done by the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer. He never leaves us or forsakes us. The Bible gives us many ways to know that we are saved. Believe.

 

Yours is the most Scriptural response I can come up with too Strat. Though I'm kinda hesitant about those that stand in front of the church saying, come up here by prayer or profession and you're saved. I'd rather them say, if you "want" to profess your faith in Christ, come up here to praise God, thanking Him for the desire of your hearts (because desire for God wasn't there before regeneration)! It might just be me, because I am a stickler for detail when it comes to soteriology, but I believe regeneration precedes faith, and that if a person professes faith, there is already much to be thankful before the desire to even profess it. Salvation didn't begin at our profession, but before the foundation of the world. Let us thank God and give glory to Him alone.

 

So come up here, ya hear! :rolleyes: Praise, thanks, and glory! Is there any other response? Let's not center ourselves on us, whether by our confession or repentance, let us give thanks to God for gifting us with first fruits of the Holy Spirit.

 

Soli Deo Gloria!

 

God bless,

William

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Because I have faith in God. I believe I will be saved because I believe in Him and had lived my life according to His will. We don't know for sure who will be saved or who won't be saved but the bible has taught has that those who believed in God, read the bible and followed through his teachings, they are the ones who will be saved. Those people who spread His good word and have lived their life selflessly, they will be saved. Those who have suffered the most but continued to have faith in God, they are going to be saved. And those who have helped others the most, they will be saved. As long as you have lived your life accordingly, you won't have to fear because you will be saved.

 

Even those who have swayed the teachings of God but have repented and turned their lives around, they have a chance of being saved. It's because our God is a just God and is a forgiving God and he accepts even those who have committed mistakes. You don't need to be perfect but as much as possible, lived your life mostly according to God's teaching. You have applied the teachings of the bible and not just read it. That's one thing as well.

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Unlike most Protestants, I think, I don't believe in the assurance of salvation. In Philippians 2:12, the Apostle Paul tells us that we should work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Matthew 7:14 tells us that the gate that leads to life is narrow, and few will find it and, a little further down, in verse 21, Jesus tells us that not everyone who says to Him, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but "he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

 

Please don't misunderstand what I am saying. I do not believe, by any stretch of the imagination, that we can earn our way to heaven. Salvation is indeed a gift, paid for, not by my works, but by the blood of Jesus who died for my sins on the cross. However, neither do I believe that one emotional moment will lead to salvation all by itself, and that we shouldn't presume too much.

 

Not long after I asked Christ into my life as a young teenager, my mother suffered a stroke and died a few days later. I was angry with God because I truly believed that He would answer my prayer asking for her recovery in the affirmative. I was young, and I thought it worked that way. Rather than realizing that I was wrong in my own understanding, I became angry with God and, while I still identified as a Christian, I didn't live much of a Christian life during high school or for a couple of years afterwards. It wasn't until I was about to adopt an unchurched seven year-old, and started thinking about what had been missing in his life, that I began to realize what was missing in my own life, and I came back to God. My point in mentioning that is to say that if I had died during the period in which I was, not only failing but not even attempting to live a Christian life, I don't know that my salvation was assured. There are two parts to a covenant, and I wasn't living up to my part of it.

 

Oh, I do believe that I'll make the cut, not because I am perfect or because of the wonderful things that I have done, but because I have been trying to live the life that Christ would have me live. Still, I can't be sure that my efforts are enough, and that's where the fear and trembling comes into the picture. Christ does not tell us to try to be Christlike; He tells us to be Christlike. He didn't tell the woman at the well to go and try to do better; He told her to go and sin no more.

 

That brings up the subject of whether it is possible for a mere human to refrain from sin. While I cannot say that I have done so, I have to believe that it is possible because I don't believe that Christ would tell us to do the impossible. I believe that it is possible, but not through our own power, but through the assistance of the Holy Spirit and of Christ within us. Still, I don't believe that I have reached that point in my spiritual life, so I'm back to the fear and trembling.

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Believe in God. Believe that Jesus paid our debts on the cross. But in addition to that there's also the need to be more like Christ. I've heard lots of excuses that people can't be like Christ but wasn't Jesus a man? Didn't He keep all God's commandments? Don't we have the Holy Spirit to guide and help us? After Christ sent the Holy Spirit to be with us forever, we have no excuse for being unable to overcome sin. The LIVING WORD [Mathew 7:24] says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

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I can't be sure that my efforts are enough,

If you understand the Bible you will realize that your efforts are not enough. Salvation is the work of Christ and nothing we do can add anything to it. You quoted Philippians 2:11, but have you also read Philippians 1:6?

And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.

One book of the Bible, 1 John, was written to show how we can know that we have eternal life.

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

(1 John 5:13 ESV)

 

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Believe in God. Believe that Jesus paid our debts on the cross. But in addition to that there's also the need to be more like Christ. I've heard lots of excuses that people can't be like Christ but wasn't Jesus a man? Didn't He keep all God's commandments?

Exactly. If it were impossible for a Christian to do what Christ told them to do, then it would have been unreasonable of Him to make such demands. It is true that most, if not all, of us will fail from time to time, some more often than others. If we are sincere in our repentance, God will forgive us, but repentance means something more than simply saying that we are sorry. There needs to be a determination not to simply do the same thing again, apologizing for it day after day after day. This is a question that was debated among the early church leaders, and not one in which a full agreement was reached. I think it's fair to say that if we are to live a Christian life, we should endeavor not to sin.

 

I think the question here is whether our salvation can be lost through sin. If, as many believe, there is an assurance of salvation after someone has believed and asked Christ into their heart, then it doesn't really matter what they do afterwards as far as their salvation is concerned. Of course, any true Christian is not going to want to begin eternity in heaven with an entire lifetime of sins to account for.

 

Most people, anyhow. I don't remember their name but there was a sect of Christians who came to America while it was still a colony of England who believed that since Christ died for our sins, past and future, it was an affront to God to refrain from sinning as if a mere mortal could earn his way into heaven. Assured that Christ had them covered, they believed that they could engage in all manner of sin, including theft and murder, with the assurance that it would not affect their salvation. Of course, that didn't endear them to their neighbors in the New World any more than it had in England, so they didn't last very long.

 

Yes, we are saved by grace and we are made sinless through Christ's sacrifice of himself on the cross, but the writers of the New Testament used up a lot of words telling us what we are supposed to do after we are saved, so I can't help but believe that these things are important. Following my salvation moment, if I were to then go about the rest of my life as if it had never happened, I can't be certain of my salvation. In fact, I am fairly certain that my salvation will have been forfeited, not by God's hand but on the basis that I had reneged on my part of the agreement, since there are two parts to a covenant. Most of us are somewhere in between, however. As Christians, we do try to live a Christian life as we understand but we are still engaged in our lives here in the world. We get lazy, we make mistakes, and sometimes we even do what we know to be wrong or refuse to do what we know to be right. Are we still assured of our salvation? Because I don't think so, I will work out my salvation with fear and trembling. If I'm wrong and I didn't really have to do all that stuff, well perhaps God will be pleased wth me for trying anyhow.

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To me it's not a matter of knowledge but a matter of putting myself in the hands of God, I was lost _for six years I dwelt in many belief systems but for most time I rejected God and religion altogether_ and the grace of god brought me back to knowing him, so I believe that you don't do anything to earn your salvation, I believe that God sought me and not the other way around, I don't rely on my knowledge that I'm saved or not, I only rely on him to keep me on the right path because he's the one who showed me the right path in the first place. God bless you!

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Salvation is evidenced in knowing what is unknowable without having the gift that the Holy Spirit endows to us. Being able to understand what the bible is teaching us is a clear indication of imparted salvation. Even though we may not understand everything, as long as we do understand what Christ did for us and have accepted it as truth is a clear indication we are saved.

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GINOLJC to all. Good topic. 2 Timothy 1:8 "Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, *not according to our works*, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began". one might read verse 9 very closely again.

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Salvation is something that are working to obtain. You should ask the L-RD for the Holy Spirit. If you being evil know how to give good things to your children, how much more will your Father which is in heaven give good things to you. You must be born again. Born of the spirit. Finally as many as are led by the spirit Of God they are the sons of God. If you're walking in sin, you're not following the spirit of the LIVING G-D. For it is written, be ye perfect for your Father in heaven is perfect, and if you follow after the Spirit of G-D, he will NEVER lead you to sin against him. Strive to enter into the straight gate. For broad is the way that leads to destruction. Narrow gate is following after the Spirit of God.

 

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Salvation is something that are working to obtain. You should ask the L-RD for the Holy Spirit. If you being evil know how to give good things to your children, how much more will your Father which is in heaven give good things to you. You must be born again. Born of the spirit. Finally as many as are led by the spirit Of God they are the sons of God. If you're walking in sin, you're not following the spirit of the LIVING G-D. For it is written, be ye perfect for your Father in heaven is perfect, and if you follow after the Spirit of G-D, he will NEVER lead you to sin against him. Strive to enter into the straight gate. For broad is the way that leads to destruction. Narrow gate is following after the Spirit of God.

 

Psst, nautigal56, just welcoming you to the forum!

 

God bless,

William

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