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Hong Kong Protestors Using Mesh Messaging App China Can't Block: Usage Up 3685%

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Mesh networking: how you communicate when China censors the internet.

 

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Faber

"...it's time for the world to stand with Hong Kong."

 

 - Joshua Wong

 

 

 See the last sentence from this article:

https://www.oann.com/hong-kong-activist-seeks-u-s-support-for-pro-democracy-protests/

 

 

 

 Glory to Hong Kong

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2019/09/13/hong-kong-protesters-anthem-mall-lu-stout-pkg-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/around-the-world/

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5 hours ago, Faber said:

 Glory to Hong Kong

Glory to Hong Kong?

 

That's the kinda view that makes me cringe. Soli Deo Gloria!

 

Which brings me to question the American flag wavers there in Hong Kong. How many are protesting the right to practice Christianity?

 

What kinda support do they ask for? Another Vietnam?

 

How about something Scriptural? Matthew 5:44

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 I think other things can have glory in a limited sense. The American flag is referred to as Old Glory. The glory of sons are their fathers (Proverbs 17:6), Solomon possessed glory (Matthew 6:29), a woman's hair (1 Corinthians 11:15), the sun, moon and stars possess a certain kind of glory (1 Corinthians 15:41), the face of Moses as well (2 Corinthians 3:7).

 

 Generally speaking I think the people of Hong Kong know that the losing of certain freedoms will eventually lead to the loss of others such as religious freedom.

 

 I think they are asking the USA to pressure China (in trade) to allow them to be guaranteed certain rights that can not be infringed upon. I agree with Matthew 5:44, but I also believe there comes a time to fight the existing authority when it becomes too intrusive and diabolical - German citizens resting the Nazi's in Germany (WW2) and even John Brown just before the US Civil War.

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9 hours ago, Faber said:

 I think other things can have glory in a limited sense. The American flag is referred to as Old Glory. The glory of sons are their fathers (Proverbs 17:6), Solomon possessed glory (Matthew 6:29), a woman's hair (1 Corinthians 11:15), the sun, moon and stars possess a certain kind of glory (1 Corinthians 15:41), the face of Moses as well (2 Corinthians 3:7).

 

 Generally speaking I think the people of Hong Kong know that the losing of certain freedoms will eventually lead to the loss of others such as religious freedom.

 

 I think they are asking the USA to pressure China (in trade) to allow them to be guaranteed certain rights that can not be infringed upon. I agree with Matthew 5:44, but I also believe there comes a time to fight the existing authority when it becomes too intrusive and diabolical - German citizens resting the Nazi's in Germany (WW2) and even John Brown just before the US Civil War.

I'd never ask anyone to go to war and sacrifice their life if I wasn't willing to. Let me ask you this Faber while looking and surveying Hong Kong protestors are you willing to give your life for what they are protesting and not only yourself but also your children? How about millions of others? In my opnion the "We" won't defeat an Asian nation. If history serves a purpose then I think it a fair observation that'd we have to drop another "bomb" or eradicate every man woman and child.

 

Sorry, I see no evidence for want of Christian intervention here. And by suggesting Soli Deo Gloria I was speaking of a glory given for salvation to God. The only true freedom which politics or other men cannot grant.

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 In answer to your question at this present time, no. I am not sure yet how this thing will pan out. 

 

 When the CCP takes full control in less than 30 years then say good-bye to religious freedom. I believe the best way for them to revolt is to leave. See post #2.

https://www.christforums.com/forums/topic/27165-hong-kong-demonstration-draws-crowd-of-more-than-17-million-against-government-orders/?tab=comments#comment-96106

 

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 This whole week it has been virtually impossible to connect to this site from here in China. A huge clamp down. It was even very difficult to sign into the VPN just to come here. While they proudly waved the Chinese flag in Beijing on October 1st (their 'Foundation Day'), it was burned in the streets of Hong Kong. The last day of the holiday is October 7th.

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