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Prophet Mohammad (the merciful not the terrorist)

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all I am trying to do is to defend prophet Mohammad there is a misunderstanding...I am trying to show you Christians that the teaching of prophet Mohammad wasn't terrorist..prophet mohammad was a man of mercy...don't you think that the prophet Mohammad accepts what those terrorists are doing ..they have nothing to do with islam ..they have nothing to do with our faith..do you know that the first victims of those terrorists are the family of the prophet Mohammad? since the early age of Islam those terrorists started to kill the family of prophet Mohammad and nowadays their children and the defenders of those who killed the family of the prophet are killing you and us now...didn't you hear about the terrorist attack in Beirut?? this terrorist attach in Beirut was among Muslims and especially among Shia (an Islamic school of thought)..they call themselves muslims then they kill Muslims then they say we will enter to paradise..they are defently in hell...I am trying to say that prophet Mohammad didn't do anything wrong to you to make humiliated cartoons for him..this is a big humiliation do you accept to draw a humiliated cartoons about jesus?? of course not..and we do not accept to draw humiliating cartoons for prophet Mohammad...he is our prophet and this humiliation should stop...the prophet was a man of mercy not a man of terrorism and killing....prophet Mohammad used to visit their enemies he used to be peaceful with Christians and jews..... I will narrate to you a story that can be considered as a proof upon the mercy of Mohammad..

One of the jews was the neighbor of Mohammad. He didn’t like the prophet at all. He used to put the garbage at the door of the prophet each day.. one day, he didn’t put anything..thus the prophet felt anxious and said perhaps he is sick or he needs something thus he went to his house to see him. When the jewish man saw the prophet, Mohammad said to him I felt anxious why you didn’t appear today..the jewish man was shocked he said I was hurting you by that deed and you are coming to see if I am ok or not??!!!

islam is the only religion that oblige you to believe in Christianity and Judaism as well..do you find a religion that groups all monotheistic religions all together in one religion.

 

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If, as you say, Islam makes you believe in Christianity and Islam as well then you have a big problem.

 

Muhammad claims that jesus was only a prophet like Muhammed. Prophets do not lie. Jesus claimed to be The Messiah, if, as Muhammed claims, jesus is a prophet than what he says is true then he is The Messiah by Muhammad's own confession, making Muhammed a liar, hence not a prophet.

 

Jesus also claimed to be God which is why the Jews killed him. One particular statement infuriated them, "before Abraham was, I am". Why this infuriated them is because this is how God initially called himself, the "I am". Muhammed denies that jesus is the messiah or God.

 

If jesus is a prophet as Muhammed claims then Jesus must of been telling the truth making Muhammed a liar when he claimed jesus was only a prophet. If jesus lied then Jesus is a liar and not a prophet, also making Muhammed a liar when he claims jesus was a prophet. Muhammad's claim that Jesus was only a prophet, therefore, means Muhammed can not be a prophet any way you look at it.

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Although Judaism and Christianity can largely co-exist as the New Testament 'builds' upon the teachings and revelation of the Old Testament, Islam can not co-exist due to its significant conflicts with the central tenets of the other two monotheistic faiths. Judaism stresses the covenant that God made with the Jewish people that He would be their God and they would be His people, the importance of keeping God's laws and commandments and the promise of a Messiah to come (this is the thumbnail sketch). Christianity basically accepts the central precepts of Judaism EXCEPT that Jesus is the promised Messiah who came to redeem humanity after their fall in the Garden of Eden. Jesus came to not abolish the law but to fulfill the law. It is not surprising that the Catholic faith, which is the oldest Christian 'sect' having its roots to the time of the apostles, contains many similar elements, teachings and rituals that can be found in Judaism as well.

Now, Islam is a much more politically-oriented faith that contradicts many of the elements found in both Christianity and Judaism. The ethos found in the both of these faiths is not present in Islam which is only magnified by the fact that Islam teaches that salvation can be accomplished through personal good works and personal righteousness (Quran 23:101-103) rather than by the grace and mercy of God. Since, Islam states that the Qu'ran is literal word of God copied verbatim by his prophet, Muhammad, there is no room for interpretation so everything that happens is insha'Allah (if God wills).

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It is hard to defend Islam to me because I know this religion allows little adult men to marry little girls against their will. To make it worst cousin marriages and marriages between an Uncle and his niece is also allowed on this religion. What kind of Uncle with marry his brother's daughter. My sister is a nurse in the UK and the children's ward is filled with Muslim children born out of cousin marriages. The poor children have genetic diseases thanks to cousin marriages. I will not leave Christianity for that. I am sorry if I got offensive just in case.

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all I am trying to do is to defend prophet Mohammad there is a misunderstanding...I am trying to show you Christians that the teaching of prophet Mohammad wasn't terrorist..prophet mohammad was a man of mercy...don't you think that the prophet Mohammad accepts what those terrorists are doing ..they have nothing to do with islam ..they have nothing to do with our faith..do you know that the first victims of those terrorists are the family of the prophet Mohammad? since the early age of Islam those terrorists started to kill the family of prophet Mohammad and nowadays their children and the defenders of those who killed the family of the prophet are killing you and us now...didn't you hear about the terrorist attack in Beirut?? this terrorist attach in Beirut was among Muslims and especially among Shia (an Islamic school of thought)..they call themselves muslims then they kill Muslims then they say we will enter to paradise..they are defently in hell...I am trying to say that prophet Mohammad didn't do anything wrong to you to make humiliated cartoons for him..this is a big humiliation do you accept to draw a humiliated cartoons about jesus?? of course not..and we do not accept to draw humiliating cartoons for prophet Mohammad...he is our prophet and this humiliation should stop...the prophet was a man of mercy not a man of terrorism and killing....prophet Mohammad used to visit their enemies he used to be peaceful with Christians and jews..... I will narrate to you a story that can be considered as a proof upon the mercy of Mohammad..

One of the jews was the neighbor of Mohammad. He didn’t like the prophet at all. He used to put the garbage at the door of the prophet each day.. one day, he didn’t put anything..thus the prophet felt anxious and said perhaps he is sick or he needs something thus he went to his house to see him. When the jewish man saw the prophet, Mohammad said to him I felt anxious why you didn’t appear today..the jewish man was shocked he said I was hurting you by that deed and you are coming to see if I am ok or not??!!!

islam is the only religion that oblige you to believe in Christianity and Judaism as well..do you find a religion that groups all monotheistic religions all together in one religion.

 

Are you kidding? History is totally the opposite! Jews and Christians are the enemies of Islam. Friend I could not disagree with your post more. You must read the Qu'ran for yourself, then tell me what you think. Please don't try and tell me you have read it because if you had you would never have made such a post.

 

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If a Christian left Christianity, No one will stop them and they can go back anytime they want. If a Muslim left Islam he will either get killed or be forced to return to Islam and get killed for it. It doesn't sound like a religion of peace at all. People are not allowed to leave Islam even if they don;t want to be a part of it anymore.

 

If a Muslim man dated a Christian woman, There won't be an issue at all. if a Muslim woman dated a Christian man she will be honor killed by her family. All those Saudi Billionaires dating Hollywood celebrities don't get any backlash. If a Muslim woman does that she will be stoned to death.

 

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Sparky, the women in Islam have a life we mostly do not understand. Female genital mutilation is but one horrid practice mostly dome in Muslim countries. However recently two doctors in the United States both married and Muslim were doing this wicked surgery on very young female children. They were arrested and I believe are being held for court. This practice is illegal in the US. I sincerely hope they serve a very long long time in jail. In outer countries men can marry child brides, they do not have to reach puberty inorder for some male to marry these young girls. A muslin man can have a number of wives. These are just few issues of the religion of peace.....not very praceful.

 

 

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I am trying to say that prophet Mohammad didn't do anything wrong to you to make humiliated cartoons for him..this is a big humiliation do you accept to draw a humiliated cartoons about jesus?? of course not..
Is this a good time to mention the Godyssey comic, notoriously and extraordinarily offensive? And yet there were no death threats to the writers of that, simply Christians shaking their heads and avoiding it, fans of good comics just avoiding it, or in the case of Linkara a reviewer who is both, mocking it mercilessly ("Hey-sus! Christian martial artist" is not a phrase I will forget in a hurry.)

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all I am trying to do is to defend prophet Mohammad there is a misunderstanding...I am trying to show you Christians that the teaching of prophet Mohammad wasn't terrorist..prophet mohammad was a man of mercy...don't you think that the prophet Mohammad accepts what those terrorists are doing ..they have nothing to do with islam ..they have nothing to do with our faith..do you know that the first victims of those terrorists are the family of the prophet Mohammad? since the early age of Islam those terrorists started to kill the family of prophet Mohammad and nowadays their children and the defenders of those who killed the family of the prophet are killing you and us now...didn't you hear about the terrorist attack in Beirut?? this terrorist attach in Beirut was among Muslims and especially among Shia (an Islamic school of thought)..they call themselves muslims then they kill Muslims then they say we will enter to paradise..they are defently in hell...I am trying to say that prophet Mohammad didn't do anything wrong to you to make humiliated cartoons for him..this is a big humiliation do you accept to draw a humiliated cartoons about jesus?? of course not..and we do not accept to draw humiliating cartoons for prophet Mohammad...he is our prophet and this humiliation should stop...the prophet was a man of mercy not a man of terrorism and killing....prophet Mohammad used to visit their enemies he used to be peaceful with Christians and jews..... I will narrate to you a story that can be considered as a proof upon the mercy of Mohammad..

One of the jews was the neighbor of Mohammad. He didn’t like the prophet at all. He used to put the garbage at the door of the prophet each day.. one day, he didn’t put anything..thus the prophet felt anxious and said perhaps he is sick or he needs something thus he went to his house to see him. When the jewish man saw the prophet, Mohammad said to him I felt anxious why you didn’t appear today..the jewish man was shocked he said I was hurting you by that deed and you are coming to see if I am ok or not??!!!

islam is the only religion that oblige you to believe in Christianity and Judaism as well..do you find a religion that groups all monotheistic religions all together in one religion.

The prophet Mohammed had a child as a wife!

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Hi fatimamazlouma,

 

I'd like to welcome you to our forum and refer you to our rules: Rules - Terms and Conditions

 

Please read the rules, and refrain from posting links to non-Christian websites. This is not an open religious forums, but a Christian website. Please keep to the Christian theme. No other warnings will be issued but a ban, because this is your third attempt at posting the same content which was removed for the 3rd time. You're a guest and at this point welcome, however, you will abide by our rules or your welcome and account will be terminated.

 

On a personal note, if it is your attempt to bend or change a Christian's perception about Islam, especially during a Christian genocide, I recommend you post your material in Islamic extremist websites, or moderate Islamic sites in order to acquire more following to gain support for a cause in which Muslims take responsibility for extremist's doctrine. I find it rather distasteful that you come into a Christian site and attempt to alter a Christians perception of an ideological cause that is leading to the murder of men, women and children, not to mention torture, slavery and rape.

 

William

 

I am new here. I noticed a recent trend on Christian forums of Muslims dropping a bunch of information and then running. Leaves me scratching my head??? Peace in Christ, Wisdom'sFruit.

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Muslim and ex sectarian here.

If you really want to defend the Prophet start with the Persians who produced his “sayings” and Seera. Read the collections and go over science of hadiths. They are not only full of insults for the Prophet, but also so funny that it is hard not to laugh. The drawings of the Prophet are nothing compared to those. Here is how the collections look like in summary:

 

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Mohammed (their perfect example to follow) led about 66 wars.  Not much of a man of peace.!  Jesus never lifted a sword against anyone and yet has way more willing followers from all over the world and from all languages and cultures. 

He absorbed the evil and violence against Him to expose man's nature and gives us peace and love in return.  Quite the contrast. 

Islam says things like it was Judas crucified in Jesus' place. God becomes an illusionist in their view.  How could he be trusted then? 

 It seems to me that this is far more of an offense against our beliefs than a few cartoons.

 

It is also an offense against the true God - the Son Himself.

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Muhammad was a thief, human trafficker, rapist, and a mass murderer. After that I can be generous about the pedophilia Muslims dispute, because it just doesn't matter. You can't get any worse.

 

Being a Muslim means following Muhammad as a life-long role model. There is no need to dispute authentic teaching as Muslims do, which is merely taqiyaa. daesh follows Muhammad, quite obediently.

 

Christianity also has no need to debate teaching, as we are to follow Jesus' example which is clear. And clearly so much better than Muhammad!

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Jesus was the full final Prophet. He was God incarnate...in flesh. He took upon Himself a body that could die as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of everyone who is believing in Him.

Hebrews 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

 

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9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

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On 11/25/2015 at 11:03 AM, fatimamazlouma said:

all I am trying to do is to defend prophet Mohammad there is a misunderstanding...I am trying to show you Christians that the teaching of prophet Mohammad wasn't terrorist..prophet mohammad was a man of mercy.

 

BS

There is a bigly list of terrorist activities.

 

from beheading Jewish tribes to lootings of pagan caravans.

and list goes on.

i am just trying to be nice here.

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1 hour ago, tahaadi said:

i am just trying to be nice here.

Yes, I think I know what you mean.

 

It wouldn't be nice to ignore what happened.

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27 minutes ago, Faber said:

Yes, I think I know what you mean.

 

It wouldn't be nice to ignore what happened.

Here are few

 

Molested his wife – six-year-old Baby Aisha. One of Baby Aisha’s wifely duties was to clean semen stains from the prophet’s clothes. The prophet would take a bath with Baby Aisha and ‘thigh’ with Baby Aisha, meaning she was too small to be penetrated so he would take his penis and rub it up and down her thighs and against her vagina.  Being a man of ‘mercy’ he did not penetrate Baby Aisha until she was nine.

Raped Baby Aisha when she was nine (texts have altered her age when Muslims could not explain why their prophet married and consummated the marriage with a small child. Koranic texts makes it clear that Mohammed married her when she was six years old. For a marriage to be legally deemed valid it had to be sexually consummated. The Hadith clearly proves that Mohammed was a notorious pedophile).  Advocated sex with baby girls.

Raped a retarded woman. Murdered a woman.  Had sex with his dead aunt.

Captured women and raped them. Kept women as sex slaves.  Muhammad had sex with 61 women: many he raped. There is no consensual sex between a child girl and a man. There is no consensual sex between a master and his sex slave.  There is no consensual sex between a woman conquered in war and her husband conqueror.  All such sexual acts are rape.  RAPE IS RAPE.

Had eleven wives at one time. Sexually abused his wives. Raped his wives. Forced sex during their menstruation including Baby Aisha. Mentally abused his wives.  Can you imagine taking a child (or any aged woman) and molesting with your hand/fist her menstruating vagina?

Beheaded his enemies. 600/900 Jewish men at one massacre.  Had Jewish boys as young as 13 years old beheaded after pulling down their pants and inspecting groin for pubic hair.

Ordered the murder, torture, terrorization of Christians and Jews if they did not convert to Islam.  Forced Christians and Jews from Saudi Arabia (the mass exile).

Assassinated people for insulting him or Islam.  Established totalitarian rule. Had followers and their families burnt alive in their homes for missing prayer.

Ordered the extermination, torture and terrorization of kafirs.  Instigated 60 massacres and personally participated in 27 of them.

Owned and sold slaves.  Enslaved women and children.

Called his black slaves pug noses and compared them to Satan.

Treated his black slaves as beasts of burden.

Lied and cheated. Mohammed encouraged his men to lie to deceive someone in order to get what he wanted.

Caused division and hatred. Ordered no befriending with Christians and Jews.

Subjugated and oppressed Muslim women.  Required them to cover their faces.

Married his daughter–in–law.

Approved prostitution.

Encouraged the rape of women in front of their husbands.

Recommended wife beating.  Hit his wife – Baby Aisha.

Murdered prisoners of war.  Committed acts of terror.

Advocated suicide attacks.

Executed apostates and homosexuals.

Beat children who didn’t pray.  Abolished adoption.

Honor killings of Muslim women and children.

Beat alcoholics.  Lied.

Stoned adulators to death.  Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth.

Ordered thief’s hands/feet chopped off.

Tortured a man out of greed.

Looted and plundered.

Preached hate for people of other religions.

Extorted money from other religions

Forced conversions to Islam

Allowed his companions to execute, behead, rape and enslave.

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Narrated Anas bin Malik:
A group of eight men from the tribe of 'Ukil came to the Prophet and then they found the climate of Medina unsuitable for them. So, they said, "O Allah's Apostle! Provide us with some milk." Allah's Apostle said, "I recommend that you should join the herd of camels." So they went and drank the urine and the milk of the camels (as a medicine) till they became healthy and fat. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels, and they became unbelievers after they were Muslims. When the Prophet was informed by a shouter for help, he sent some men in their pursuit, and before the sun rose high, they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off. Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina). They asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died (Abu Qilaba, a sub-narrator said, "They committed murder and theft and fought against Allah and His Apostle, and spread evil in the land.") (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 261)

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On 7/31/2016 at 5:47 PM, Serpardum said:

If, as you say, Islam makes you believe in Christianity and Islam as well then you have a big problem.

 

Muhammad claims that jesus was only a prophet like Muhammed. Prophets do not lie. Jesus claimed to be The Messiah, if, as Muhammed claims, jesus is a prophet than what he says is true then he is The Messiah by Muhammad's own confession, making Muhammed a liar, hence not a prophet.

Actually, the Qur'an does acknowledge Jesus as The Messiah and even refers to Him by that name. What Islam denies is His divinity and His death.

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