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There is also corporal punishment which is authorized in the Bible.  That is a 4th reason to allow to kill.  So self-defense, corporal punishment, just warfare, and righteous hunting.

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8 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

There is also corporal punishment which is authorized in the Bible.  That is a 4th reason to allow to kill.  So self-defense, corporal punishment, just warfare, and righteous hunting.

Righteous hunting has nothing to do with the commandment which should read "You shall not murder." None of you examples constitute murder. Neither does killing animals to eat or sacrifice. :RpS_thumbup:

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21 minutes ago, deade said:

Righteous hunting has nothing to do with the commandment which should read "You shall not murder." None of you examples constitute murder. Neither does killing animals to eat or sacrifice. :RpS_thumbup:

That's right.  I was just compiling a list where killing is allowed and which is not considered murder.  You have a good addition with killing animals to eat.  That would be a fifth reason why killing is allowed and not considered murder.

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53 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

There is also corporal punishment which is authorized in the Bible.  That is a 4th reason to allow to kill.  So self-defense, corporal punishment, just warfare, and righteous hunting.

You are going to have to explain that one to me.  In what way does corporal punishment mean anyone is allowed to kill?

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1 minute ago, Origen said:

You are going to have to explain that one to me.  In what way does corporal punishment mean anyone is allowed to kill?

The ones casting the stones are authorized to kill the guilty party.  It is an additional reason the Bible authorizes killing (which is not murder).

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18 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

The ones casting the stones are authorized to kill the guilty party.  It is an additional reason the Bible authorizes killing (which is not murder).

But that is not corporal punishment.  Corporal punishment is physical punishment which does not lead to death.  Or do you mean capital punishment?

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3 minutes ago, Origen said:

But that is not corporal punishment.  Corporal punishment is physical punishment which does not lead to death.  Or do you mean capital punishment?

Ah yeah, capital punishment is what I meant.  Corporal punishment can lead to death but that was not what I intended.  My updated list for a time to kill is below:

 

- Self-Defense

- Just Warfare

- Righteous Hunting for Food and Survival

- Capital Punishment

- Killing Animals to Eat

- Killing Animals for Sacrifices to the Lord (past)

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3 minutes ago, CDF47 said:

Ah yeah, capital punishment is what I meant.  Corporal punishment can lead to death but that was not what I intended.  My updated list for a time to kill is below:

 

- Self-Defense

- Just Warfare

- Righteous Hunting for Food and Survival

- Capital Punishment

- Killing Animals to Eat

- Killing Animals for Sacrifices to the Lord (past)

Thought so!

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