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John Calvin puts forward a very simple reason why love is the greatest gift: “Because faith and hope are our own: love is diffused among others.” In other words, faith and hope benefit the possessor, but love always benefits another. In John 13:34–35 Jesus says, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Love always requires an “other” as an object; love cannot remain within itself, and that is part of what makes love the greatest gift.
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The Defined Understanding of faith for this Easter

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The definition of faith is here on Easter to bless everyone who is searching for the understanding of faith and the blessings that faith will give to your life. This is the definition of faith you have been searching for. This definition of faith deserves to be shared with everyone who loves Faith  & and wants to understand it

 

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To be honest I saw nothing that reflected biblical truths in that video.

 

As an example, this phrase kept popping up...

 

"Faith in the purest sense is the ceasing of resistance."

 

Which I think is contradicted by such Scriptures as these...

 

By faith Moses, when he was grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter,  (Heb 11:24)
choosing rather to be mistreated with the people of God than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin.  (Heb 11:25)
He considered the reproach of Christ greater wealth than the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking to the reward.  (Heb 11:26)
By faith he left Egypt, not being afraid of the anger of the king, for he endured as seeing him who is invisible.  (Heb 11:27)

 

And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets—  (Heb 11:32)
who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,  (Heb 11:33)
quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.  (Heb 11:34)
Women received back their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, so that they might rise again to a better life.  (Heb 11:35)
Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment.  (Heb 11:36)
They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated—  (Heb 11:37)
of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.  (Heb 11:38)

 

'Ceasing of resistance' would have just 'gone with the flow'. Are you Buddhist or?
 

 

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We, human beings, are not the center of all creation.  Our happiness is not the highest priority.  Heaven is not a place for celebration of every human being.  

 

All creation exists to bring bring glory to God ... He is the center of all creation ... He is what matters most.

 

We exist in life, and in death, to serve a God and to bring God honor ... how we handle adversity should reflect well on our Father ... how we care for others should reflect well on our Father ... how we share the precious truth that we have been entrusted with should reflect well on our Father.

 

When we are called to Heaven, our purpose is not an eternal victory lap ... our eternal purpose is to dwell in the light of the unfiltered glory of God and offer Him our eternal praises and love, even as we receive His eternal love.

 

I agree that the video was a bit too “self” focused.

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1 hour ago, Solas said:

"Faith in the purest sense is the ceasing of resistance."

 

 Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. (James 4:7)

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8 hours ago, Faber said:

 

 Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. (James 4:7)

I liked your Scripture pick, but that quote wasn't mine, it was from the OP.

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To make a silk purse out of this sows ear ...

 

Since FAITH is not the surrender of our resistance to "belief" (as the OP suggests), then:

 

1. What is FAITH?

 

2. Where does FAITH come from?

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Rom 12:3  For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 
 

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3 hours ago, atpollard said:

To make a silk purse out of this sows ear ...

 

Since FAITH is not the surrender of our resistance to "belief" (as the OP suggests), then:

 

1. What is FAITH?

 

2. Where does FAITH come from?

There's one definition I heard by a deceased televangelist Gene Scott which I remember. He said, "faith is an action based on belief sustained by confidence". Of course that definition can be used to demonstrate faith in any object including an undesirable object while emphasizing a personal act in or of ourselves. We in or of ourselves as an object of faith are powerless to save and such definition wrongly credits ourselves for salvation by our own works. Therefore, I think a better definition "faith is the instrument which we lay hold of the alien righteousness of Jesus Christ".

 

As to where from faith originates:

  • 2 Thessalonians 3:1-2 Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may speed ahead and be honored, as happened among you, and that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men. For not all have faith.
  • Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
  • 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
  • Hebrews 12:2 looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
  • Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Lastly, another definition that came to mind is from Hebrews 11:1 where many people turn to in order to wrongly define faith by rejecting context.

 

John Calvin:

Now faith, etc. Whoever made this the beginning of the eleventh chapter, has unwisely disjointed the context; for the object of the Apostle was to prove what he had already said ­that there is need of patience. (200) He had quoted the testimony of Habakkuk, who says that the just lives by faith; he now shows what remained to be proved — that faith can be no more separated from patience than from itself. The order then of what he says is this, — “We shall not reach the goal of salvation except we have patience, for the Prophet declares that the just lives by faith; but faith directs us to things afar off which we do not as yet enjoy; it then necessarily includes patience.” Therefore the minor proposition in the argument is this, Faith is the substance of things hoped for, etc. It is hence also evident, that greatly mistaken are they who think that an exact definition of faith is given here; for the Apostle does not speak here of the whole of what faith is, but selects that part of it which was suitable to his purpose, even that it has patience ever connected with it. (201) Let us now consider the words.


He calls faith the hypostasis, the substance of things hoped for. We indeed know that what we hope for is not what we have as it were in hand, but what is as yet hid from us, or at least the enjoyment of which is delayed to another time. The Apostle now teaches us the same thing with what we find in Rom_8:24; where it is said that what is hoped for is not seen, and hence the inference is drawn, that it is to be waited for in patience. So the Apostle here reminds us, that faith regards not present things, but such as are waited for. Nor is this kind of contradiction without its force and beauty: Faith, he says, is the hypostasis, the prop, or the foundation on which we plant our foot, — the prop of what? Of things absent, which are so far from being really possessed by us, that they are far beyond the reach of our understanding.


The same view is to be taken of the second clause, when he calls faith the evidence or demonstration of things not seen; for demonstration makes things to appear or to be seen; and it is commonly applied to what is subject to our senses. (202)


Then these two things, though apparently inconsistent, do yet perfectly harmonize when we speak of faith; for the Spirit of God shows to us hidden things, the knowledge of which cannot reach our senses: Promised to us is eternal life, but it is promised to the dead; we are assured of a happy resurrection, but we are as yet involved in corruption; we are pronounced just, as yet sin dwells in us; we hear that we are happy, but we are as yet in the midst of many miseries; an abundance of all good things is promised to us, but still we often hunger and thirst; God proclaims that he will come quickly, but he seems deaf when we cry to him. What would become of us were we not supported by hope, and did not our minds emerge out of the midst of darkness above the world through the light of God’s word and of his Spirit? Faith, then, is rightly said to be the subsistence or substance of things which are as yet the objects of hope and the evidence of things not seen. Augustine sometimes renders evidence “conviction,” which I do not disapprove, for it faithfully expresses the Apostle’s meaning: but I prefer “demonstration,” as it is more literal.

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Quoting Gene Scott?  TD Jakes next? 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Becky said:

Quoting Gene Scott?  TD Jakes next?

How about one of these ...

 

“Faith is the substance of whatever it is that we hope for. The important thing is that we teach that faith is connected to good works and responsibility.”
― T.D. Jakes, Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits

 

“You cannot rush God’s timing.
When the Lord speaks a word into your life, it is like a seed. Is your confidence in God’s seed?”
― T.D. Jakes

 

“Faith is the oil that takes the friction out of living. Faith will enable you to turn liabilities into assets and stumbling blocks into stepping stones. When you begin to have faith, your load will get heavy but your knees won’t buckle, you’ll get knocked down but you won’t get knocked out. You’ve got to have faith if you are going to make it in life. You must believe in yourself and in a power greater than yourself, and do your best and don’t worry about the rest. You must maintain faith and work as if everything depended on you, and pray as if everything depended on God.”
― T.D. Jakes, Why? because You're Anointed

 

 

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When Gene Scott started his show with its not God it's Dr,Gene Scott, that was enough for me. 

Yup even nut cases can produce good quotes. 

A good number of years back Scott did a lot of writing the, I guess they were 'by-laws' for the AofG. 

TD Jakes is one heck of a good motivational speaker. 

 

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On 4/22/2019 at 2:44 PM, Becky said:

Yup even nut cases can produce good quotes. 

A clock that isn't working still gives the correct time twice a day.

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4 hours ago, theophilus said:

A clock that isn't working still gives the correct time twice a day.

Yup, that's too about the track record of certain end times camps.

 

They could be wrong 86,398 seconds each day but given two seconds they're correct they're number 1 on the New York's best seller list.

 

 

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Umm er, getting back to the origin of faith...

 

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Rom 10:17)
 

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(Heb 11:3)
 

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11 hours ago, Solas said:

Umm er, getting back to the origin of faith...

 

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Rom 10:17)
 

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
(Heb 11:3)
 

Just dropping some surrounding context from Romans 10-11. Paul says from Isaiah:

 

For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

18 But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for

“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
    and their words to the ends of the world.”

19 But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,

“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
    with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”

20 Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,

“I have been found by those who did not seek me;
    I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”

21 But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”

 

And turning the page to Chapter 11:

 

7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
    eyes that would not see
    and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

9 And David says,

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
    a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
    and bend their backs forever.”

 

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35 minutes ago, William said:

Just dropping some surrounding context from Romans 10-11. Paul says from Isaiah:

 

For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

18 But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for

“Their voice has gone out to all the earth,
    and their words to the ends of the world.”

19 But I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says,

“I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation;
    with a foolish nation I will make you angry.”

20 Then Isaiah is so bold as to say,

“I have been found by those who did not seek me;
    I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me.”

21 But of Israel he says, “All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people.”

 

And turning the page to Chapter 11:

 

7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
    eyes that would not see
    and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”

9 And David says,

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
    a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
    and bend their backs forever.”

 

...and a wee bit more context...

 

Romans 11:11-12 ESV
[11] So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. [12] Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

 

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24 minutes ago, Solas said:

...and a wee bit more context...

 

Romans 11:11-12 ESV
[11] So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. [12] Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

 

Amazing, isn't it? How many times must Paul repeat what has already been said?

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1 hour ago, William said:

Amazing, isn't it? How many times must Paul repeat what has already been said?

LOL, probably because the Gentile Christians kept 'strutting their stuff'...

 

Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
(Rom 11:18-19)

 

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
(Rom 11:25)
 

...he had to keep repeating himself.

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