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by John MacArthur

 

Nobody's perfect. That truth, which ought to make us tremble before a God who is holy, holy, holy, is usually invoked to excuse sinful behavior. How often do we hear people brush aside their own wrongdoing with the casual words, “Well, after all, nobody's perfect”? There is accuracy in the statement, but it should be a timid confession, not a flippant means of justifying sin.

 

Lingering Imperfection

 

Despite God’s transforming work in salvation, and the new nature we enjoy as His children in Christ, we still fall short of His righteous standard. Scripture recognizes our lingering imperfection. Even the apostle Paul wrote,

 

Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 3:12‑14, emphasis added)

 

We all fall short of perfection. Paul teaches us that our own imperfection should only spur us on toward the goal of complete Christlikeness. When we begin to use our human frailty as an excuse from guilt, we are walking on dangerous ground. We must continue to press on toward the goal: “Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Matthew 5:48). “You shall be holy, for I am holy” (1 Peter 1:16). It is folly to think that being imperfect somehow provides us with a legitimate excuse to exempt us from God’s perfect standard.

 

Futile Striving and Spiritual Distractions

 

Ironic as it may seem, however, it is equally dangerous—and possibly more so—to think spiritual perfection is something attainable by Christians in this lifetime. Church history is littered with examples of sects and factions who taught various versions of Christian perfectionism. These groups have either made utter shipwreck of the faith or been forced to modify their perfectionism to accommodate human imperfection.

 

Every perfectionist inevitably comes face‑to‑face with clear and abundant empirical evidence that the residue of sin remains in the flesh and troubles even the most spiritual Christians throughout their earthly lives. In order to hang onto perfectionist doctrine, they must redefine sin or diminish the standard of holiness. Too often they do this at the expense of their own consciences.

 

The Bible clearly teaches that Christians can never attain sinless perfection in this life. “Who can say, ‘I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin’?” (Proverbs 20:9). “For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well” (James 3:2). “For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please” (Galatians 5:17). “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8).

 

All perfectionism is essentially a disastrous misunderstanding of how God works in sanctification. Sanctification is a process by which God—working in believers through the Holy Spirit—gradually moves them toward Christlikeness (2 Corinthians 3:18). That the transformation is gradual—not instantaneous, and never complete in this lifetime—is confirmed by many passages of Scripture.

 

As we noted earlier, Paul wrote near the end of his ministry that he was not yet perfect (Philippians 3:12). He told the Romans, “Be [constantly being] transformed by the renewing of your mind” (Romans 12:2). And to the Galatians he wrote that he labored with them “until Christ is formed in you” (Galatians 4:19). Sanctification will not end “until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13). He urged them to stop being children, susceptible to error and trends. How were they to do that? By seeking a sudden experience? No, he wrote, “Grow up in all aspects into Him, who is the head, even Christ” (Ephesians 4:14‑15, emphasis added).

 

Likewise Peter instructed believers to “grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 3:18). He wrote, “Like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation” (1 Peter 2:2).

 

How Does Sanctification Work?

 

Sanctification is not doctrine for advanced Christians only. Nothing in the Christian life is more practical than a right understanding of how the Holy Spirit works to conform us to Christ’s image. Conversely, it is hard to imagine anything that undermines spiritually healthy Christian living more disastrously than a misunderstanding of sanctification.

 

The word sanctify in Scripture comes from Hebrew and Greek words that mean “set apart.” To be sanctified is to be set apart from sin. At conversion, all believers are disengaged from sin’s bondage, released from sin’s captivity—set apart unto God, or sanctified. Yet the process of separation from sin is only begun at that moment. As we grow in Christ, we become more separated from sin and more consecrated to God. Thus the sanctification that occurs at conversion only initiates a lifelong process whereby we are set apart more and more from sin and brought more and more into conformity with Christ—separated from sin, and separated unto God.

 

Maturing Christians should never become self‑justifying, smug, or satisfied with our progress, because the more we become like Christ, the more sensitive we are to the remaining corruptions of the flesh. As we mature in godliness our sins become more painful and more obvious to ourselves. The more we put away sin, the more we notice sinful tendencies that still need to be put away. This is the paradox of sanctification: The holier we become, the more frustrated we are by the stubborn remnants of our sin. The apostle Paul vividly described his own anguish over this reality in Romans 7:21‑24:

 

I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wishes to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?

 

The Wrong Response

 

Not all believers respond to the growing realization of their sinfulness in a biblical way. Though some are driven to despair over their inability to discipline and will themselves to holiness, there is a growing tendency to depreciate the seriousness of sin. They embrace their imperfections and are cavalier about their sin.

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It is true that nobody's perfect, and some may be cavalier about their sin, but we must be careful to remember what Paul says about striving for the mark, like running a race. Strive for perfection. We don't achieve it in this lifetime, but are to keep our eyes on the goal of being perfect; i.e., "be ye holy". It is what we are to strive for, not what we will achieve in this life. The true holiness comes not from ourselves, but from the Spirit of God, who indwells all believers. He prays on our behalf when we pray, for we pray not as we ought.

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"...the more we become like Christ, the more sensitive we are to the remaining corruptions of the flesh."

How true this is! I find that the more I mature in Christ, the greater the "little" sins become, and the more we are truly indebted to The Holy Spirit. Romans 8:12 This is to keep us humble. All glory belongs to Christ!

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The "keener" we are to our sin, is greater knowledge, and we know that knowledge "puffs up" as Paul reminds us in 1Cor. 8:1. So than a spirit of humility is required since that knowledge did not come from you, for all knowledge finds its source in God. I cannot claim anything, but to "boast in the Lord."

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To illustrate: When we receive greater knowledge, I desire to now share that knowledge with somebody, because I believe it will be very beneficial to them as it is for me. But before we go through that "door" we need to know that at least two things will be waiting on the other side for us. 1) Pride, and 2) Humility. Which of these two will we "put on" before we relay the beneficial knowledge to someone? Since knowledge "puffs up" let us make sure to always put humility before we speak!

 

Soli Deo Gloria

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My witness is that God called us to be perfect, and he gave us the means to be perfect.

 

(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”

 

 

(Galatians 5:16“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.

 

After Jesus proclaimed me clean, and that was after going to confession to a Roman Catholic priest, God has kept me clean for forty years.

 

John tells us that if one sin he or she has never seen God nor knows God.

 

I have seen Jesus, he has called me out by my name, and Jesus has taught me to know him.

 

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

 

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

 

 

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God.”

 

I am a Child of God’s, and as John said there is no way that it is possible for me to sin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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After Jesus proclaimed me clean, and that was after going to confession to a Roman Catholic priest, God has kept me clean for forty years.

 

Question John, please clarify, are you suggesting that you have not confessed and repented for any sin in the last 40 years?

 

God bless,

William

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Question John, please clarify, are you suggesting that you have not confessed and repented for any sin in the last 40 years?

 

God bless,

William

 

William, that I have not deliberately committed a sin in forty years, is my witness.

Also the Holy Spirit has healed me of committing any sin for many years.

 

Jesus/Holy Spirit tells me, guides me in everything that is done by me.

 

You may have a hard time believing me, but ask yourself, if you know what it means to have the mind of Christ.

 

(1 Corinthians 2:15-16) “A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”

 

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William, that I have not deliberately committed a sin in forty years, is my witness.

Also the Holy Spirit has healed me of committing any sin for many years.

 

Jesus/Holy Spirit tells me, guides me in everything that is done by me.

 

You may have a hard time believing me, but ask yourself, if you know what it means to have the mind of Christ.

 

(1 Corinthians 2:15-16) “A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”

 

All I did was ask whether you have confessed and repented for a sin in forty years John, deliberate or not. It is interesting how some view themselves, some as saints that sin at times, and others as sinners that do right at times. It is very rare to come across someone that has such a view of themselves.

 

God bless,

William

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The Bible clearly teaches that Christians can never attain sinless perfection in this life. “Who can say, ‘I have cleansed my heart, I am pure from my sin’?” (Proverbs 20:9). “For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well” (James 3:2). “For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please” (Galatians 5:17). “If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8).

 

All perfectionism is essentially a disastrous misunderstanding of how God works in sanctification. Sanctification is a process by which God—working in believers through the Holy Spirit—gradually moves them toward Christlikeness (2 Corinthians 3:18). That the transformation is gradual—not instantaneous, and never complete in this lifetime—is confirmed by many passages of Scripture.

 

If we cannot attain sinless perfection is this life - when can we attain sinless perfection?

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If we cannot attain sinless perfection is this life - when can we attain sinless perfection?

 

 

In Sanctification we are saved and being saved from the power of sin. Sanctification is past (‘positional’ at salvation) and present continuous (‘progressive’) by the indwelling Holy Spirit from within: ‘And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto His heavenly kingdom...’ (2 Tim.4:18). The word here ‘preserve’ is the Greek ‘sozo’- the same word for ‘save’.

 

Sanctification continues until Glorification: ‘Being confident of this very thing, that He which has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ’ (Phil.1:6); ‘And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as He is pure’ (1 Jn.3:3); ‘And have put on the new man, which is renewed [continuous] in knowledge after the image of Him that created him’ (Col.3:10); ‘...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure’ (Phil. 2:12,13). The Greek tense and voice of ‘work out’ is present imperative showing this is continuous as well as a command for all Christians.

 

I'd also like to acknowledge the semi-pelagian view of salvation made through expressions such as "heal" and "assist" in a messy context that seems contradictory.

 

Also the Holy Spirit has healed me of committing any sin for many years.

 

Quite revealing, the semi-pelagian (synergism) view of man's sinful nature and the disposition of the unregenerate natural man.

 

And addressing the Pelagian/Semi-Pelagian view that man is either perfectly capable and only in need of guidance from a teacher, or the semi-pelagian view which sick and/or wounded men only need divine assistance or a doctor.

 

The grace of God is that supernatural assistance which He imparts to us, through the merits of Jesus Christ, for our salvation. It is called supernatural, because no one by his own natural ability can acquire it.

 

Catholicism has strayed from Augustinian soteriology.

 

God bless,

William

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If we cannot attain sinless perfection is this life - when can we attain sinless perfection?

 

A view of themselves?

 

I would never judge myself. I ask Jesus if there is anything that has been done by me that is sinful.

 

Again will you answer what you’re understanding of having the mind of Christ means?

 

Another thing what is your understanding of the following verse.

(1 John 2: 27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you; the anointing he gave teaches you everything: you are anointed with truth, not with a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

 

I am sorry this post was an answer to a post of William’s

 

 

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I am sorry this post was an answer to a post of William’s

 

 

No need to apologize John. We tend to answer and share our input whether or not something was addressed to ourselves in an open forum. I hope that you feel comfortable in these discussions. If for any reason you feel singled out, targeted, or pursued throughout the forum by any member or group, please bring this to Staff/Moderation attention.

 

God bless,

William

 

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No need to apologize John. We tend to answer and share our input whether or not something was addressed to ourselves in an open forum. I hope that you feel comfortable in these discussions. If for any reason you feel singled out, targeted, or pursued throughout the forum by any member or group, please bring this to Staff/Moderation attention.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

It would be a comfort to me if you would answer my questions.

 

Also please answer my question using the written Word of God if you can.

 

Other people’s understanding of God’s Word does not answer any of my questions.

 

 

 

 

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It would be a comfort to me if you would answer my questions.

 

Also please answer my question using the written Word of God if you can.

 

Other people’s understanding of God’s Word does not answer any of my questions.

 

 

Again will you answer what you’re understanding of having the mind of Christ means?

 

JohnLove,

 

In a way, you answered your own question. An understanding of the Word of God expresses the mind of Christ.

 

How do I understand the mind of Christ?

 

Luke 2:52 - And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature[a] and in favor with God and man.

 

The mind of Christ pursues wisdom and is the pursuit of the knowledge of God. The conformity of our minds to Christ is ongoing and not instant. And like Christ's humiliation, that He as a babe grew, we are to grow in favor with God and man in proportion to our capacity. Psalm 1:2; 77:11-12; 119:27, 48.

 

God bless,

William

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Saint John also says "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:10 KJV) So how do you solve the puzzle JohnLove?

 

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Saint John also says "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:10 KJV) So how do you solve the puzzle JohnLove?

 

 

Yes and do you believe your understanding of the part of John’s letter that you quoted means that John did not mean the following in his letter?

 

(1 John 3:9) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

 

 

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

 

 

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God.”

 

 

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

 

 

 

Read the scripture below, because you obviously don’t understand first John’s letter.

 

(1 John 1: 8-10)If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.”

 

 

You need to see John was saying if one says he or she says they have never sinned they are liars.

 

 

If one is forgiven of all unrighteousness are they not then sinless?

 

Could they then be liars if they say they are sinless?

 

 

(1 John 3:3-9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray’ to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy’ to lead a sinful life is to belong the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

 

 

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

 

 

John told us those who did not know God sinned and asked forgiveness and were forgiven, but once a person comes to know God he or she will not sin.

 

 

Scripture goes on to say that if a person who does know God uses their free will to sin there is no repentance for that person.

 

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

 

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

 

 

 

 

 

break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin: anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never

 

 

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Saint John also says "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1 John 1:10 KJV) So how do you solve the puzzle JohnLove?

 

Lemme share Calvin:

 

From the connection between regeneration and the relinquishment of sin: Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin. To be born of God is to be inwardly renewed, and restored to a holy integrity or rectitude of nature by the power of the Spirit of God. Such a one committeth not sin, does not work iniquity nor practise disobedience, which is contrary to his new nature and the regenerate complexion of his spirit; for, as the apostle adds, his seed remaineth in him, either the word of God in its light and power remaineth in him (as 1 Peter 1:23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever), or, that which is born of the Spirit is spirit; the spiritual seminal principle of holiness remaineth in him. Renewing grace is an abiding principle. Religion, in the spring of it, is not an art, an acquired dexterity and skill, but a new nature. And thereupon the consequence is the regenerate person cannot sin.

 

That he cannot commit an act of sin, I suppose no judicious interpreter understands. This would be contrary to 1 John 1:9, where it is made our duty to confess our sins, and supposed that our privilege thereupon is to have our sins forgiven. He therefore cannot sin, in the sense in which the apostle says, he cannot commit sin. He cannot continue in the course and practice of sin. He cannot so sin as to denominate him a sinner in opposition to a saint or servant of God. Again, he cannot sin comparatively, as he did before he was born of God, and as others do that are not so. And the reason is because he is born of God, which will amount to all this inhibition and impediment.

 

1. There is a light in his mind which shows him the evil and malignity of sin.

2. There is that bias upon his heart which disposes him to loathe and hate sin.

3. There is the spiritual seminal principle or disposition, that breaks the force and fulness of the sinful acts. They proceed not from such plenary power of corruption as they do in others, nor obtain that plenitude of heart, spirit, and consent, which they do in others. The spirit lusteth against the flesh. And therefore in respect to such sin it may be said, It is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. It is not reckoned the person's sin, in the gospel account, where the bent and frame of the mind and spirit are against it. Then,

4. There is a disposition for humiliation and repentance for sin, when it has been committed. He that is born of God cannot sin. Here we may call to mind the usual distinction of natural and moral impotency. The unregenerate person is morally unable for what is religiously good. The regenerate person is happily disabled for sin. There is a restraint, an embargo (as we may say), laid upon his sinning powers. It goes against him sedately and deliberately to sin. We usually say of a person of known integrity, “He cannot lie, he cannot cheat, and commit other enormities.” How can I commit this great wickedness, and sin against God! Genesis 39:9. And so those who persist in a sinful life sufficiently demonstrate that they are not born of God.

 

God bless,

William

 

 

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Scripture goes on to say that if a person who does know God uses their free will to sin there is no repentance for that person.

 

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

 

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

 

How you came to "free will" throughout the Scriptures concerning men with a "full and fixed will" in Hebrews has lost me. From the description, the author of Hebrews speaks of the sin of apostasy. It is sinning willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, sinning wilfully against that truth of which we have had convincing evidence. Some have received great distress over this verse, they conclude that every wilful sin, after conviction and against knowledge, is the unpardonable sin: but this has been an error.

 

Summation: Those who receive the mercies here mentioned are of the number of them for whom Christ died. But such are some Non-elect. the Apostle proves the incurables and desperateness of their case, in that there remains no more sacrifice: And this is proper to them when they are Apostates. Now if there were never any Sacrifice for their sins; then this reason will prove their case no more desperate since their Apostasy than before; nor will it prove the case of Apostates any more desperate than the case of all wicked Men for whom Christ had not died. A sacrifice for other men’s sins hinders nor their case from being desperate as before. Besides, it is no loss to them to lose the hopes of life by such a sacrifice: For there could be no hopes. But it is mentioned here as their loss, and the sad consequence of their apostasy.

 

If it is acknowledged (as it must be) that the text means, there is no more sacrifice for the sins of these apostates; then it plainly states that there was once a sacrifice for their sin till by rejection, they deprived themselves of the benefit of it.

 

God bless,

William

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Lemme share Calvin:

 

 

 

God bless,

William

 

 

Yes William, but it is not the practice of sin. It is no wrongdoing at all.

 

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

 

John did not say if one practices sin he or she has never seen God, nor knows God.

 

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

Jesus did not sin, and John did not imply that we could walk like Jesus if we just did not practice sin.

 

(1 John 3:9) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

 

Again John said one born of God, can’t sin.

 

If one give his or her life to Jesus, and allows Jesus/Holy Spirit to teach and guide them, there will be no danger of ever sinning again.

 

A Christian is a slave of God’s, and obeys God in everything. God give his Children the grace to always overcome Satan/sin.

 

A Christian’s will is at all times God’s will.

 

Jesus in the Lord’s Prayer said to pray for God’s will to be done on earth as it is in Heaven.

 

When one totally obeys God, he or she become a temple of God, and where God makes his home, that is the kingdom of God. There is no sin in God’s kingdom.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

 

(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.”

 

One does not love God if one does not obey him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes William, but it is not the practice of sin. It is no wrongdoing at all.

 

I agree with you to a point. I hadn't read that into Calvin's commentary. Regeneration has a new beginning, a new genesis, it is not simply a change of life or the turning of a new leaf but our disposition and nature - truly a supernatural work and modern day miracle. These things were connected in Calvin's commentary which I not only appreciated but found them a must, lest one think that they of themselves initiate salvation, and in ourselves is the power to raiseth ourselves from death.

 

This was the most interesting point by which I appreciated clarification.

 

He cannot so sin as to denominate him a sinner in opposition to a saint or servant of God. Again, he cannot sin comparatively, as he did before he was born of God, and as others do that are not so. And the reason is because he is born of God, which will amount to all this inhibition and impediment.

 

In summation: True believers will not abandon their faith. These verses actually deal with a theological term "antinomianism" or "anti-lawism" which denies or downplays the significance of God's law in the life of the believer. We are justified by faith alone, apart from works. However, all believers grow in faith by keeping God's holy commandments - not to gain God's favor, but out of loving gratitude for the grace already bestowed on them through the work of Christ.

 

Furthermore, it is a serious error to assume that the OT was a covenant of law and the NT, a covenant of grace. The OT is a monumental testimony to God's amazing grace toward His people. Likewise, the NT is literally filled with commandments. We are not saved by the law, but we demonstrate our love for Christ by obeying His commandments - John 14:15.

 

Just thought to clarify these points.

 

God bless,

William

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Concerning that last statement, John, in that case you better be perfect in thought, word, and deed always. Nobody is. Heaven would be void of mankind if your last statement were as you take it to mean. If any man say he is without sin, he is a liar, and the love of God is not in him. Jesus died for all our sins, past , present, and future, as by His foreknowledge, in spite of our sinful nature, He saves us, and we cannot be cast out for any reason. All Scripture is suitable for reproof, correction... which means people sin, who are believers, and are to be corrected by means of Scripture.

 

What you are stating hasn't happened to the elect yet. That is in the afterlife, when we rise incorruptible.

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Concerning that last statement, John, in that case you better be perfect in thought, word, and deed always. Nobody is. Heaven would be void of mankind if your last statement were as you take it to mean. If any man say he is without sin, he is a liar, and the love of God is not in him. Jesus died for all our sins, past , present, and future, as by His foreknowledge, in spite of our sinful nature, He saves us, and we cannot be cast out for any reason. All Scripture is suitable for reproof, correction... which means people sin, who are believers, and are to be corrected by means of Scripture.

 

What you are stating hasn't happened to the elect yet. That is in the afterlife, when we rise incorruptible.

 

 

Yes and do you believe your understanding of the part of John’s letter that you quoted means that John did not mean the following in his letter?

 

(1 John 3:9) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

 

 

(1 John 2:6) “But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did”

 

 

(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who is a child of God sins because God's seed remains in him. Nor can he sin, because he is a child of God. This is what distinguishes the children of God from the children of the devil: whoever does not live uprightly and does not love his brother is not from God.”

 

 

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

 

 

 

 

 

Nowhere in scripture does it say that God came to forgive one’s future sins.

Also Jesus said many are called, but few are chosen.

 

(Matthew 7:13-14) “Enter by the narrow gate since the road that leads to perdition is wide and spacious, and many take it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

 

(Matthew 22:13-14) “Bind him hand and foot and throw him out into the dark, where there will be weeping and grinding of teeth”. -For many are called, but few are chosen.”

 

 

 

 

Read the scripture below, because you obviously don’t understand first John’s letter.

 

(1 John 1: 8-10)If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.”

 

 

You need to see John was saying if one says he or she says they have never sinned they are liars.

 

 

If one is forgiven of all unrighteousness are they not then sinless?

 

Could they then be liars if they say they are sinless?

 

 

(1 John 3:3-9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray’ to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy’ to lead a sinful life is to belong the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

 

 

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

 

 

John told us those who did not know God sinned and asked forgiveness and were forgiven, but once a person comes to know God he or she will not sin.

 

 

Scripture goes on to say that if a person who does know God uses their free will to sin there is no repentance for that person.

 

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

 

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

 

 

 

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Originally posted by Bede View Post

 

If we cannot attain sinless perfection is this life - when can we attain sinless perfection?

 

 

 

 

In Sanctification we are saved and being saved from the power of sin. Sanctification is past (‘positional’ at salvation) and present continuous (‘progressive’) by the indwelling Holy Spirit from within: ‘And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto His heavenly kingdom...’ (2 Tim.4:18). The word here ‘preserve’ is the Greek ‘sozo’- the same word for ‘save’.

 

Sanctification continues until Glorification: ‘Being confident of this very thing, that He which has begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ’ (Phil.1:6); ‘And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as He is pure’ (1 Jn.3:3); ‘And have put on the new man, which is renewed [continuous] in knowledge after the image of Him that created him’ (Col.3:10); ‘...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure’ (Phil. 2:12,13). The Greek tense and voice of ‘work out’ is present imperative showing this is continuous as well as a command for all Christians.

 

When does Glorification occur?

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When does Glorification occur?

 

After the redemption of our body - 1 Cor. 15:26

 

God bless,

William

 

 

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