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Can a Christian be Democrat ?

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Can a Christian be Democrat, in current circumstances when left is bringing Muslims and trash into the country and harming the structure of western civilization ?

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34 minutes ago, johnwayne said:

Can a Christian be Democrat, in current circumstances when left is bringing Muslims and trash into the country and harming the structure of western civilization ?

A paragraph or 3  from the 2016 democrat platform 

 

Securing Reproductive Health, Rights, and Justice Democrats are committed to protecting and advancing reproductive health, rights, and justice. We believe unequivocally, like the majority of Americans, that every woman should have access to quality reproductive health care services, including safe and legal abortion—regardless of where she lives, how much money she makes, or how she is insured. We believe that reproductive health is core to women’s, men’s, and young people’s health and wellbeing. We will continue to stand up to Republican efforts to defund Planned Parenthood health centers, which provide critical health services to millions of people. We will continue to oppose—and seek to overturn—federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment. We condemn and will combat any acts of violence, harassment, and intimidation of reproductive health providers, patients, and staff. We will defend the ACA, which extends affordable preventive health care to women, including no-cost contraception, and prohibits discrimination in health care based on gender.

 

We will support sexual and reproductive health and rights around the globe. In addition to expanding the availability of affordable family planning information and contraceptive supplies, we believe that safe abortion must be part of comprehensive maternal and women’s health care and included as part of America’s global health programming. Therefore, we support the repeal of harmful restrictions that obstruct women’s access to health care information and services, including the “global gag rule” and the Helms Amendment that bars American assistance to provide safe, legal abortion throughout the developing world.

 

Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender People Democrats believe that LGBT rights are human rights and that American foreign policy should advance the ability of all persons to live with dignity, security, and respect, regardless of who they are or who they love. We applaud President Obama’s historic Presidential Memorandum on International Initiatives to Advance the Human Rights of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Persons, which combats criminalization, protects refugees, and provides foreign assistance. We will continue to stand with LGBT people around the world, including fighting efforts by any nation to infringe on LGBT rights or ignore abuse.

 

A couple of the Scriptures that speak on these topics 

 

Pro 6:16  These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 
Pro 6:17  A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 
Pro 6:18  An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 
Pro 6:19  A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. 
 

Rom 1:26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
Rom 1:27  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 
 

 

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https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/2016_DNC_Platform.pdf

3 minutes ago, Faber said:

I think Bob Casey was  (still is?) a Democrat and was against abortion.

The link is to what democrats support the preamble alone  should be enough for a Christian to say this is not for me. 

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24 minutes ago, Faber said:

https://www.christforums.com/topic/7460-can-a-christian-vote-as-a-democrat/?tab=comments#comment-41289

 

 

 I do wonder....does anyone know of any politician who is a born again Christian and a Democrat? I am referring to the national level, not local or state politics.

 

I can remember when being a Democrat was far different than today. While growing up, I ask what our party was and was told we are Democrats. I was told the Dems cared more for the poor people. My grandmother swore by FDR: She even name one of my uncles Franklin Delano Roosevelt Rose. She had a large family during the depression and claimed they would have starved were it not for FDR. How time changes things.

 

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 It is sad to see but at the same time I am happy because the wheat and the tares continue to grow. (Matthew 13:24-30)

May the Lord soon come back.

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Thank you everybody for responding.

yes it is terrifying to see democrats are now anti-American and anti-Christian party.

 

i wonder how moderate and religious Christian survive in New York City.

 

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I don't see how, or better yet, why a Christian would be a democrat.

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On 1/9/2019 at 9:26 PM, johnwayne said:

Can a Christian be Democrat, in current circumstances when left is bringing Muslims and trash into the country and harming the structure of western civilization ?

Hilarious! 

 

And good question! @William 

 

Equally, are there atheist conservatives? The answer is most certainly yes. Whether conservative libertarians or conservative republicans, we have both among our ranks. It used to be more common to see Christans leaving the faith drop the Republican Party and conservatism, as part of leaving the faith. Not so much at the moment, though. One point of agreement some of us may have with you guys here, is our opinions of what's going on with the left here in the states. It's gotten over the top whacky!

 

Years ago I was more into rebelling against the religious right than I am at present. But the left has gotten so godawful (pardon me), that I've found siding with the left in politics untenable at best. I personally would like to see things more to the tune of libertarian conservative values taking the forefront, but I'm good with having a conservative non-career politician get into office and shake things up a bit. I was just talking about that with some guys at work today. I'm not die hard for Trump, but I'm ok with the fact that the economy is on fire and things are going pretty well as far as I'm concerned. And we got DeSantis here in Florida, which I'm good with as well. 

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The honest answer to this is rooted in Basic Bible Study where YHWH gives definition of the Worship of Himself.  In such a study we ...learned... Christians discover that we have ¿grown? to ignore the most important Advisor we can ever seek council from.

 

Please don't anyone ask for a Bible or Subject Study to be led by me, all Christians own the Study Text.  I find that less than two percent of the folks naming Yashuah ha'Mashiah as their own have ever sought to understand their Elohim and the many facets of His Love for us.

 

If one truly wants answers, begin to pray  for YHWH to send Ruah, His Holy Spirit, to bless you with His knowledge of the Word of YHWH.

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6 hours ago, Joshpantera said:

Hilarious! 

 

And good question! @William 

 

Equally, are there atheist conservatives? The answer is most certainly yes. Whether conservative libertarians or conservative republicans, we have both among our ranks. It used to be more common to see Christans leaving the faith drop the Republican Party and conservatism, as part of leaving the faith. Not so much at the moment, though. One point of agreement some of us may have with you guys here, is our opinions of what's going on with the left here in the states. It's gotten over the top whacky!

 

Years ago I was more into rebelling against the religious right than I am at present. But the left has gotten so godawful (pardon me), that I've found siding with the left in politics untenable at best. I personally would like to see things more to the tune of libertarian conservative values taking the forefront, but I'm good with having a conservative non-career politician get into office and shake things up a bit. I was just talking about that with some guys at work today. I'm not die hard for Trump, but I'm ok with the fact that the economy is on fire and things are going pretty well as far as I'm concerned. And we got DeSantis here in Florida, which I'm good with as well. 

I am more aligned with the classical political party of Libertarianism, but I am a Conservative by compromise.

 

As for the modern Democrat party I find their platform or lack thereof incompatible with Christianity. Regarding modern Liberalism whether political or theological I find both incompatible. When you mention the "Left" that is a secular religion to me. It bears all the characteristics of a religion and its political correctness is its legalism.

 

Regarding atheist conservatives I meet them all the time. I also meet conservatives that are actually theologically liberal.

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6 hours ago, William said:

I am more aligned with the classical political party of Libertarianism, but I am a Conservative by compromise.

 

As for the modern Democrat party I find their platform or lack thereof incompatible with Christianity. Regarding modern Liberalism whether political or theological I find both incompatible. When you mention the "Left" that is a secular religion to me. It bears all the characteristics of a religion and its political correctness is its legalism.

 

Regarding atheist conservatives I meet them all the time. I also meet conservatives that are actually theologically liberal.

 

This is a big point of agreement with me, personally. I can't broad brush represent our website with these opinions, but it does represent a good deal of us - staff not withstanding. Several of us on staff are outspoken about our libertarian views. We ran a political quiz thread a whole back and nearly all members landed in the libertarian areas. Some liberal libertarian others conservative libertarian. Barely anyone into the authoritarian region of the graph. 

 

We've had a lot of bickering about the political left becoming a secular religious type of ideology - very radical one at that. Some of the atheist's on the left don't like those charges, but it is what it is. If the shoe fits, that's that. It's legalism is a type of authoritarianism. That point has been made many times over. 

 

I think we're seeing changes where theists and non-theists will be much more integrated politically, and should be learning how to get along. Just as more and more minorities are leaving the left now #walkaway. The political right is gaining new membership to it's base. Racist's are going to have get used to conservative minority's coming in. Likewise, biased theists will have to make room for atheists coming in. When it comes to the country, I think we all need to set aside those differences and make sure that we do not allow these radical elements to take control and steer the ship into the rocks. Social Marxist's, Democratic Socialists, and Post Modernist types seeking the reigns of authority and control. That's something that a lot of us from diverse back grounds and opinions can stand behind stopping, IMPO. 

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On 1/21/2019 at 1:55 AM, William said:

I am more aligned with the classical political party of Libertarianism, but I am a Conservative by compromise.

 

As for the modern Democrat party I find their platform or lack thereof incompatible with Christianity. Regarding modern Liberalism whether political or theological I find both incompatible. When you mention the "Left" that is a secular religion to me. It bears all the characteristics of a religion and its political correctness is its legalism.

 

Regarding atheist conservatives I meet them all the time. I also meet conservatives that are actually theologically liberal.

 

Looks like you and I have pretty similar political outlooks, William.  I used to regard myself as Conservative but in the age of Trump I don’t even know what Conservatism or Republicans stand for anymore.  Now I think of myself as something like a Classical Liberal or Libertarian.  Some of my favorite public figures are agnostic/atheist commentators like Charles C.W. Cooke, Heather Mac Donald, Robert Tracinski, George Will.  I absolutely agree about today’s left.  Which makes me have mixed feelings when people deconvert: going from Christianity to an agenda of identity politics and social justice crusading is no improvement, in my opinion.  People tend to want to latch on to something like religion and to find a tribe. So much of the bitter divisions in America today are not about standing for a particular set of beliefs but of siding with your tribe against the enemy.  

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From our political sub forum. Per the recent entrance of the "2nd amendment" into our other discussion. I thought this was a pretty good watch for the conservative / libertarian stances on the 2nd amendment: 

 

(Caution, there may be some "colorful language" involved if I remember correctly)

 

 

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4 hours ago, TABA said:

 I used to regard myself as Conservative but in the age of Trump I don’t even know what Conservatism or Republicans stand for anymore.

I agree that the platform has become blurred. I'm moving soon for example to a pretty Red state. One of our concerns is that many people from where I am at now are moving to the Red state in order to enjoy the limited Government, less taxation, lower housing median, lower cost of living etc., but they themselves bring their failed politics and transform the area.

 

The easiest way that I can think of to briefly convey what a Conservative today is to describe them as Constitutional Republicans. Unfortunately, there are RINOs in the Constitutional Republican party which reject the very Constitution the Republic is founded upon.

 

What I do suggest is never taking a Politicians word but using the data available. Take for example Conservative Review's Scorecard which takes into account how a Constitutional Republican voted and scores them according to their voting record:

 

WWW.CONSERVATIVEREVIEW.COM

SCORECARD – Select Your State

 

 

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On 1/9/2019 at 8:31 PM, davidtaylorjr said:

Can they be? Sure. Should they be? Absolutely not.

Labeling one self Christian and being Christian is not always the same thing. 

The Democrat party supports what God calls an abomination how does one support both sides of  coin? 

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18 minutes ago, Becky said:

Labeling one self Christian and being Christian is not always the same thing. 

The Democrat party supports what God calls an abomination how does one support both sides of  coin? 

I definitely believe that Constitutional Republicans are generally a pretty friendly Christian ally in respect of the founding documents.

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5 hours ago, William said:

I definitely believe that Constitutional Republicans are generally a pretty friendly Christian ally in respect of the founding documents.

For the most part.

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On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 8:47 PM, Faber said:

https://www.christforums.com/topic/7460-can-a-christian-vote-as-a-democrat/?tab=comments#comment-41289

 

 

 I do wonder....does anyone know of any politician who is a born again Christian and a Democrat? I am referring to the national level, not local or state politics.

If they are truly a born again believer they cannot possibly be a democrat . They would believe in a "woman's choice " Same sex marriages , lying to their constituents ,stealing our tax dollars , cheating in elections , supporting socialism , being anti Israel, leaving our boarders open , supporting anti American Marxist who run for office and etc.etc.etc...... you get the picture.

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On ‎1‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 11:01 AM, William said:

I definitely believe that Constitutional Republicans are generally a pretty friendly Christian ally in respect of the founding documents.

We are forced to weigh the difference between the two parties . And that only leaves one logical choice. Republicans obviously do not believe in the obnoxious agenda of the democrats . Face it,,do you believe in a " pro choice ?"  No one in their right mind can possibly believe in "legalized murder " of an innocent child. So that is where the democrats are . So far to the left that they have been brainwashed into thinking that their party has the ultimate privilege of redefining traditional marriage for instance. And consider the fact that if we allow our freedoms to erode bit by bit , we are allowing ourselves to become a socialist nation . The same thing that drove the NAZZIs and Adolph Hitler into power . Once we allow ourselves to travel down that forbidden path, there will be no turning back. Two uncles served in WW II in Europe. They both said that after the Russians liberated  Berlin and it was reasonably secure ,the German people who survived were worshipping our troops for their courageous acts of mercy. Did our troops feel sorry for the German people ? Absolutely not ! Our fighting men had to shove them away while shouting  these words... " Get away from me you fools,,,,, you brought this Hell upon yourselves and deserve every bit of suffering it brought upon you and your nation ! " And sadly if we continue to allow devout socialist and anti Jewish Palestinians into our government we will be asking for the same thing.

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29 minutes ago, Matthew Duvall said:

If they are truly a born again believer they cannot possibly be a democrat . They would believe in a "woman's choice " Same sex marriages , lying to their constituents ,stealing our tax dollars , cheating in elections , supporting socialism , being anti Israel, leaving our boarders open , supporting anti American Marxist who run for office and etc.etc.etc...... you get the picture.

Come on @Mathew Duvall  be clear tell us what you really think 

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On ‎1‎/‎22‎/‎2019 at 5:51 AM, TABA said:

 

Looks like you and I have pretty similar political outlooks, William.  I used to regard myself as Conservative but in the age of Trump I don’t even know what Conservatism or Republicans stand for anymore.  Now I think of myself as something like a Classical Liberal or Libertarian.  Some of my favorite public figures are agnostic/atheist commentators like Charles C.W. Cooke, Heather Mac Donald, Robert Tracinski, George Will.  I absolutely agree about today’s left.  Which makes me have mixed feelings when people deconvert: going from Christianity to an agenda of identity politics and social justice crusading is no improvement, in my opinion.  People tend to want to latch on to something like religion and to find a tribe. So much of the bitter divisions in America today are not about standing for a particular set of beliefs but of siding with your tribe against the enemy.  

Let me ask you a logical question....... What has this president done that is so repulsive to you ? Because most left leaning liberals cannot answer this question because they have no idea of what they believe about this man.

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