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Have you come to any opinion on the wall? I have and I am totally convinced we must have the wall for our borders. But we hear a lot on our southern border, I have been told the border between us and Canada has problems as well. Any thoughts?

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9 minutes ago, Faber said:

 Concerning the border with Canada, I reckon the problems with our southern border are just so much worse.

1000 times worse.

they are pumping drugs into our veins.

bad people.

Just build the massive wall first, then drones come later on.

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1 hour ago, johnwayne said:

Just build the massive wall first, then drones come later on.

I believe Obama implemented a scamp "technological wall" which included drones during his years (probably to placate his critics). As we know that method was not successful. Doesn't matter if we are alerted to a presence if nobody is willing to stop them. Just look at how an entire caravan marched across Mexico. Not to mention the Democrat resistance severs any cooperation with ICE etc.

 

I wrote in another thread that Trump during his address referred to Homeland Security and the assessment of actual people in the field that are requesting support. Schumer and Pelosi said they are not against border security only that they don't believe that what is requested is the best way to resolve the issue. Reminds of me of Benghazi. Ambassador Stevens requested additional security and what that would entail (barriers etc) and he was denied. Referring back to a statement by Trump how many Americans must die?

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Canada has more of the people coming into to do massive harm, not so much drugs. Try going into Canada and see that I believe they are more efficient in checking out people and vehicles imo.

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11 minutes ago, theophilus said:

Even if the wall is necessary I believe that shutting down the government may so more harm than lack of a wall would.  

How ? 

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Yes, the wall is necessary. Yes, the government shutdown is harming people. Yes, the Democrats knew for A YEAR that this was going to happen. I guess they thought Trump was bluffing. But he said a long time ago he would not sign another CR without border wall funding. And what did Congress do in the meantime? Nothing. Nothing at all. 

 

All of the Democrats who have been in DC for a while have voted for wall funding before. All of them. Yet now, somehow, it is immoral. It is only because of their attitude towards Trump. They hate him.  

 

$5 billion dollars is pocket change in Washington so this isn't about the money like they try and claim.

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13 minutes ago, davidtaylorjr said:

$5 billion dollars is pocket change in Washington so this isn't about the money like they try and claim. 

Nancy stated after the meeting was ended yesterday that Trump thinks he can ask his father for money anytime.

 

Kills me how Democrats play the responsible role with regard to financing. 21+ Trillion in debt. How many billions were given to Iran and even recently to Central America. How much do we give to Mexico? That's apparently well spent money supporting their military and government (sarcasm). Obviously, Mexicans don't feel compelled to use them to protect the hand that supports them.

 

21+ Trillion in debt it is beyond me why we even have "luxury" or non essential agencies. Shouldn't we be downsizing or spending money more frugally? Or do the Dems think they can "tax the hell out of The People", like Nancy stated if they won congress?

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 Yes, build the wall. Illegal immigration probably would not affect where I live .But that doesn't say that the illegals cannot expand their limits to other parts of our nation. Weather looking for work or housing it would only be a matter of time until new ghettos grow where once moderate safe cities used to be .

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Walls work, they have for centuries.

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It's just about the funding now.

They're already builing it.

 

I wonder though, if you make it out of steel poles in a row with spaces between them, you can still drop  drugs and guns through it to the other side.

 

It wil stop child sex trafficking, which is my main concern.

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On 1/9/2019 at 1:29 PM, johnwayne said:

1000 times worse.

they are pumping drugs into our veins.

bad people.

Just build the massive wall first, then drones come later on.

We need both,and funding for the wall comes first and above the Senators and Representatives pay. These are the ones who should not being paid. Chuckey and Nancy are wicked, they would rather see this go on and on rather that do what is right for the protection of our country.

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On ‎1‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 6:51 PM, Hieronymus said:

It's just about the funding now.

They're already builing it.

 

I wonder though, if you make it out of steel poles in a row with spaces between them, you can still drop  drugs and guns through it to the other side.

 

It wil stop child sex trafficking, which is my main concern.

All of these model walls seem to be impregnable . There are five of them that all have the same good qualities in mind , Height and depth of the walls themselves . Looking at them one would have to wonder how a ladder or a rope could possibly scale one of them. One in particular had no exposed steel bars that would act as a place to pass narcotics through  . But they all were very high. Trump has the blessings of the American people on his side since so many are in favor of a wall. I say,,," Build the Wall !! "

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If the liberals  dont like it let them march around it  til it falls 

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4 hours ago, Becky said:

If the liberals  dont like it let them march around it  til it falls 

That's from the Bible, they wouldn't get the reference....

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Why is it necessary to have a wall? As christians, shouldn't we help those in need, and love our enemies? I recently gave my heart to God and I apologise if I seem uninformed, but I truly wish to understand.

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  1. The wall makes helping manageable.  
  2. There are better ways to help the needy than allowing illegal influx of millions.
  3. Immigrants are not our enemies.  We love enemies and immigrants both.  We are seeking ways to actually help.

 

Question:

Are you actively helping such people now?  If not, why not?

 

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1. How does it make 'helping' manageable? If it has the desired effect, which is to funnel them to the proper ports of entry, how long will the process take? Applying for asylum could take months as it is now using the proper ports of entry.

2. I understand that laws must be followed, but instead of wasting resources on a wall, which I doubt will stop the migrants, maybe it will be more useful in aiding these people in some other way?

3. I agree with this, and I also believe that some people truly desire to help.

 

I am not. I am an immigrant myself in a foreign land outside the US, but I can understand their desperation.

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2 hours ago, IchimaruGin said:

1. How does it make 'helping' manageable? If it has the desired effect, which is to funnel them to the proper ports of entry, how long will the process take? Applying for asylum could take months as it is now using the proper ports of entry.

2. I understand that laws must be followed, but instead of wasting resources on a wall, which I doubt will stop the migrants, maybe it will be more useful in aiding these people in some other way?

3. I agree with this, and I also believe that some people truly desire to help.

 

I am not. I am an immigrant myself in a foreign land outside the US, but I can understand their desperation.

Hi and welcome to CF IchimaruGin,

 

My mother legally became a U.S. citizen. I'm first generation citizen (birthright) in my family.

 

I'd like to address some points so bear with:

 

1. Not everyone coming through the border is asking for help. They want to help themselves and not all wanting to help themselves are here to legally establish themselves. Look at how much sex trafficking and drug smuggling is coming across the border. Look at how many people Mexico is reporting selling off children so others with ill intentions can trick border patrol etc into allowing them entrance.

2. How is one going to enforce the Law without public as well as ideological borders? Neither of which the Left supports. They want to redefine immigration as they have just about everything else, from the first amendment (porn) to marriage (same sex and every combination in between).

3. The degree of help they're willing to provide is concerning. I'm not against anyone helping. Any American citizen which can obtain legal documentation can go to another country and help and then return. They can go to countries to help people that actually supported the ushering in of the oppressive socialism which has backfired as it has everywhere at any point in time.

 

What I have a problem with is being "charitable" by compulsion. That redefines charity. If one is forced to open the doors to their house to provide quarter or give up their income then that is not charity. The virtue is stripped from the transaction under compulsion of law or penalty.

 

The Left wants to destroy Christianity whereas Christianity is exactly what this country needs. Charity isn't giving the shirt off of the next guy's back. It is giving what you have. An act of self-sacrifice. There are no laws which prevent people from paying more into the IRS then required. If that be the charity of the Left then by all means they ought to do so. Give to Caesar but don't think that is giving to God.

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On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 1:09 PM, Just Mike said:

Have you come to any opinion on the wall? I have and I am totally convinced we must have the wall for our borders. But we hear a lot on our southern border, I have been told the border between us and Canada has problems as well. Any thoughts?

It's the only way we can save our country from being infiltrated by people whom we cannot  delve into their criminal backgrounds.  That's the troubling thing on many people's minds. And I don't have to go into the fact that these illegals will come here not knowing the language nor having any place to reside or seek employment . The Welfare system will be stretched to the limits leaving our own needy Americans  with serious shortages in monetary funds and resources to sustain a decent living.

My understanding of Canadian border security is that there aren't any real border walls separating the two countries. The only thing a visitor ,for instance is required to do upon arrival at the dividing line is pick up one of the border telephones that is connected to their "Border Securites" and tell them that you are a visitor and wish to enter Canada. Without proper identification the visitor is simply allowed to cross over. No questions asked . What if that person was a serious risk to the safety of the Canadian people ? Could we be facing the same thing at our own southern borders ? The Wall is the only answer !     M

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4 hours ago, William said:

Hi and welcome to CF IchimaruGin,

 

My mother legally became a U.S. citizen. I'm first generation citizen (birthright) in my family.

 

I'd like to address some points so bear with:

 

1. Not everyone coming through the border is asking for help. They want to help themselves and not all wanting to help themselves are here to legally establish themselves. Look at how much sex trafficking and drug smuggling is coming across the border. Look at how many people Mexico is reporting selling off children so others with ill intentions can trick border patrol etc into allowing them entrance.

2. How is one going to enforce the Law without public as well as ideological borders? Neither of which the Left supports. They want to redefine immigration as they have just about everything else, from the first amendment (porn) to marriage (same sex and every combination in between).

3. The degree of help they're willing to provide is concerning. I'm not against anyone helping. Any American citizen which can obtain legal documentation can go to another country and help and then return. They can go to countries to help people that actually supported the ushering in of the oppressive socialism which has backfired as it has everywhere at any point in time.

 

What I have a problem with is being "charitable" by compulsion. That redefines charity. If one is forced to open the doors to their house to provide quarter or give up their income then that is not charity. The virtue is stripped from the transaction under compulsion of law or penalty.

 

The Left wants to destroy Christianity whereas Christianity is exactly what this country needs. Charity isn't giving the shirt off of the next guy's back. It is giving what you have. An act of self-sacrifice. There are no laws which prevent people from paying more into the IRS then required. If that be the charity of the Left then by all means they ought to do so. Give to Caesar but don't think that is giving to God.

I think that the biggest thing the U.S . citizens are concerned over is the huge influx of people coming here . Jobs, housing, the language , the stress on our public assistance programs .   M

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On 1/21/2019 at 9:59 AM, Becky said:

If the liberals  dont like it let them march around it  til it falls 

Now you know what they will be telling the fake media if that happened ???? The reason the wall fell is because of the Pre------- Trump administration.   M

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4 hours ago, William said:

1. Not everyone coming through the border is asking for help. They want to help themselves and not all wanting to help themselves are here to legally establish themselves. Look at how much sex trafficking and drug smuggling is coming across the border. Look at how many people Mexico is reporting selling off children so others with ill intentions can trick border patrol etc into allowing them entrance.

 

I agree that not all may be seeking help, and those should be quickly identified and dealt with, but the situation now is hurting a lot of innocent people trying to flea violence and poverty. If there was a bill that funded more points of entry as well as agents to process these migrants, and do background checks, they could help more of those in need.

4 hours ago, William said:

2. How is one going to enforce the Law without public as well as ideological borders? Neither of which the Left supports. They want to redefine immigration as they have just about everything else, from the first amendment (porn) to marriage (same sex and every combination in between).

I have listened to some statements from the democrats, and I think they support borders, but they think that a wall is not the solution. There is a lot I don't agree with, such as same sex marriage which the bible condemns, but they will have to answer to God in time.

4 hours ago, William said:

3. The degree of help they're willing to provide is concerning. I'm not against anyone helping. Any American citizen which can obtain legal documentation can go to another country and help and then return. They can go to countries to help people that actually supported the ushering in of the oppressive socialism which has backfired as it has everywhere at any point in time.

 

What I have a problem with is being "charitable" by compulsion. That redefines charity. If one is forced to open the doors to their house to provide quarter or give up their income then that is not charity. The virtue is stripped from the transaction under compulsion of law or penalty.

 

The Left wants to destroy Christianity whereas Christianity is exactly what this country needs. Charity isn't giving the shirt off of the next guy's back. It is giving what you have. An act of self-sacrifice. There are no laws which prevent people from paying more into the IRS then required. If that be the charity of the Left then by all means they ought to do so. Give to Caesar but don't think that is giving to God.

God wants us to help those in need I believe. Corruption and greed are the real enemies here, and they are found in all governments, both socialist and capitalist. I think their circumstances were beyond their control, and it is just a matter of chance why some are born to a life of ease and others are born to a life of pain and suffering. Sadly, I think that the democrats seem more understanding of this and more desirous to help. It almost reminds me of the parable of the good samaritan, where both the priest and Levite, avoided helping the wounded traveler. Even though these were considered to be ''Godly'' men, it was an ''Ungodly" samaritan who helped him in the end, regardless of the cost.

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