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Refuting Greg Deuble's "subordinated relative worship" of Jesus 

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Title: They Never Told Me This in Church!
Author: Greg Deuble

 

 Greg Deuble is a Unitarian and thus he denies the correct biblical doctrine of the Trinity. In his attempt to demonstrate that the Lord Jesus is not God he affords him a subordinate relative worship which implies a superior form of worship that is to be given unto the Father.
 
 "Christ's exaltation is the means to a higher end. For through him all worship is ultimately directed to his God and Father. To worship him as the Lord Messiah is thus a divinely pleasing but subordinated relative worship." (pages 122-123, the bold face is mine)

 

 The purpose of this post is to refute the false belief that the worship properly rendered unto the Lord Jesus is a "subordinated relative worship" in comparison to the (superior) worship properly rendered unto the Father. More detailed analysis of the passages presented below and other passages where worship is properly rendered unto the Lord Jesus can be found here:

https://www.christforums.com/topic/6234-yes-it-is-proper-to-worship-the-lord-jesus-christ/?tab=comments#comment-35084

 

 Unlike the study done in the link above where I went in order as to when the worship rendered unto the Lord Jesus appeared in the Bible I will do this one based pretty much on alphabetical order with supplying no more than two or three passages for the Father and for the Son. There are times when the precise Greek word does not appear in the text - the concept will however be there. I will attempt to limit my comments as much as possible seeing that this information can be further studied in the link supplied.

 

 

aiteō (Strong's #154)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of aiteō in James 1:5.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of aiteō in John 14:14 and 1 John 5:14-15.

 

aitēma (Strong's #155)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of aitēma in Philippians 4:6.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of aitēma in 1 John 5:15.

 

anapauō (Strong's #373)

1. We are to find our rest in the worship of the Father (Psalm 37:7).

2. We are to find our rest in the worship of the Lord Jesus (Matthew 11:28) - see "zygos" below.

 

aparchē (Strong's #536)

1. Christians are metaphorically presented as sacrifices to the Father and to the Lord Jesus in worship (Revelation 14:4). 

 

baptizō (Strong's #907)

1. Being water baptized into this most holy 3 Person "name" demonstrates that the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all are equal recipients of worship (Matthew 28:19).

 

Benediction

1. That the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all prayed to in this benediction demonstrates that they are all equal recipients of worship (2 Corinthians 13:14).

 

chairō (Strong's #5463)

1. We are to rejoice in the Lord in reference to the worship due unto the Father (Isaiah 61:10).

2. We are to rejoice in the Lord in reference to the worship due unto the Lord Jesus (Philippians 4:4).

 

charis (Strong's #5485)

1. We are to thank the Father in worship (2 Timothy 1:3).

2. We are to thank the Lord Jesus in worship (1 Timothy 1:12).

 

deēsis (Strong's #1162)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of deēsis (2 Timothy 1:3).

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of deēsis (1 Peter 3:12).

 

deomai (Strong's #1189)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of deomai in Acts 4:31.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of deomai in Acts 8:22, 24.

 

doxa (Strong's #1391)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of a doxology in Galatians 1:5.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of a doxology in 2 Timothy 4:18 and 2 Peter 3:18.

 

doulos (Strong's #1401)

1. That a Christian is a slave to both the Father and the Lord Jesus demonstrates that they are the proper recipient of worship (James 1:1).

 

elpizō (Strong's #1679)

1. We are to hope in the Lord in reference to worshiping the Father (Psalm 131:3).

2. We are to hope in the Lord in reference to worshiping the Lord Jesus (Romans 15:12; Philippians 2:19).


epikaleō (Strong's #1941)

1. We are to call on the name of the Lord in worship of the Father (Psalm 116:4).

2. We are to call on the name of the Lord in worship of the Lord Jesus (Romans 10:13; 1 Corinthians 1:2).

 Notice too that what was stated by the Lord Jesus was a prayer to the Father in Luke 23:34, 46. This parallels what Stephen said in prayer to the Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59-60.

 

epistrephō (Strong's #1994)

1. To turn to the Father means to worship the Father (Psalm 22:27).

2. To turn to the Lord Jesus means to worship the Lord Jesus (Acts 9:35).

 

eulogeō (Strong's #2127)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of eulogeō in James 3:9.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of eulogeō in Romans 12:14.

 

eulogia (Strong's #2129)

1. We are to bless both the Father and the Lord Jesus in worship (Revelation 5:13).

 

eucharisteō (Strong's #2168)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of eucharisteō in Romans 1:8.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of eucharisteō in Luke 17:16.

 

euchomai (Strong's #2172)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of euchomai in 2 Corinthians 13:7.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of euchomai in James 5:16.

 

exomologeō (Strong's #1843)

1. In reference to the Father we are to confess His name in worship (1 Kings 8:33, 35).

2. In reference to he Lord Jesus we are to confess His name in worship (Philippians 2:11; cf. Romans 10:9).

 

gnōsis (Strong's #1108)

1. We are to know the Lord in reference to worshiping the Father (Isaiah 19:21).

2. We are to know the Lord in reference to worshiping the Lord Jesus (Philippians 3:8; cf. Jeremiah 9:23-24).

 

Grace to you...

1. The Lord Jesus is prayed to in equality with the Father (Romans 1:7; Ephesians 1:2).

 

hagiazō (Strong's #37)

1. We are to sanctify (hallow) the Father in worship (Matthew 6:9).

2. We are to sanctify the Lord Jesus in worship (1 Peter 3:15).

 

kamptō (Strong's #2578)

1. We are to bow in worship of the Father (Ephesians 3:14).

2. We are to bow in worship of the Lord Jesus (Philippians 2:10).

 

klēros (Strong's #2819)

1. Lots were cast to know the will of the Lord in reference to the Father (Proverbs 16:33).

2. Lots were cast to know the will of the Lord in reference to the Lord Jesus (Acts 1:26). 

 

kollaō (Strong's #2853)

1. To join/cling to the Lord in reference to the Father means to worship Him (Deuteronomy 10:20; Joshua 23:8).

2. To join to the Lord in reference to the Lord Jesus means to worship Him (1 Corinthians 6:17).

 

latreia (Strong's #2999)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of latreia in Romans 12:1.

2. That Christians are to present their bodies as holy in spiritual service to the Father (Romans 12:1; cf 2 Corinthians 7:1) corresponds to pleasing the Lord Jesus in presenting a holy body and spirit to Him (1 Corinthians 7:32, 34). 

 

latreuō (Strong's #3000)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of latreuō in 2 Timothy 1:3.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of latreuō in Revelation 22:3.

 

leitourgeō (Strong's #3008)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of leitourgeō in 1 Chronicles 23:28 LXX.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of leitourgeō in Acts 13:2.

 

leitourgia (Strong's #3009)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of leitourgia in 2 Corinthians 9:12.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of leitourgia in Philippians 2:17 (cf. Philippians 1:20).

 

May the LORD be with you (Ruth 2:4).  The Lord be with you all (2 Thessalonians 3:16).

The Father                                               The Lord Jesus

Both constitute a prayer.

 

nēsteuō (Strong's #3522)
1. Fasting is done in worship of the Father (Matthew 6:18).

2. Fasting is done in worship of the Lord Jesus (Acts 13:2).
  

paradidōmi (Strong's #3860)

1. Committing a person to the grace of God means to worship the Father (Acts 14:26).

2. Committing a person the grace of the Lord means to worship the Lord Jesus (Acts 15:40).

 

parakaleō (Strong's #3870)

1. The Father is to be appealed to in prayer (Matthew 26:53).

2. The Lord Jesus is to be besought in prayer (2 Corinthians 12:8).

 

paratithēmi (Strong's #3908)

1. When a person commends someone to the Father it means they are praying to the Father (Acts 20:32).

2. When a person commends someone to the Lord Jesus it means they are praying to the Lord Jesus (Acts 14:23).

 

peithō (Strong's #3982)

1. To trust in the Lord in reference to the Father means to worship the Father (Psalm 31:6).

2. To trust in the Lord in reference to the Lord Jesus means to worship the Lord Jesus (Philippians 2:24).

 

pelach (Strong's #6399)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of pelach in Daniel 6:16.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of pelach in Daniel 7:14.

 

peripateō (Strong's #4043)

1. To walk before the Lord in reference to the Father means to worship the Father (Genesis 17:1).

2. To walk in the Lord in reference to the Lord Jesus means to worship the Lord Jesus (Colossians 2:6; Ephesians 5:8; cf. Isaiah 2:5).

 

phobeō (Strong's #5399)

1. To fear the Lord in reference to the Father means to worship the Father (Deuteronomy 6:13).

2. To fear the Lord in reference to the Lord Jesus means to worship the Lord Jesus (Colossians 3:22; cf. Ephesians 5:21; 6:5).

 

proserchomai (Strong's #4334)

1. To draw near to the Father means to worship the Father (Hebrews 7:25).

2. To draw near to the Lord Jesus means to worship the Lord Jesus (1 Peter 2:4).

 

proseuchē (Strong's #4335)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of proseuchē in Acts 12:5.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of proseuchē in 1 Corinthians 7:5 (cf. 1 Corinthians 7:35).

 

proseuchomai (Strong's #4336)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of proseuchomai in Acts 16:25.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of proseuchomai in Acts 1:24.

 

proskyneō (Strong's #4352)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of proskyneō in John 4:23.

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of proskyneō in Luke 24:52 and John 9:38.

 

prosmenō (Strong's #4357)

1. King Solomon commanded all the people to have their hearts wholly devoted to the Lord (1 Kings 8:61; cf. 1 Kings 11:4).

2. With a resolute heart we are to remain true to the Lord Jesus (Acts 11:23).

 

sebō (Strong's #4576)

1. The Father is the proper recipient of sebō (Acts 16:14).

2. The Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of sebō (Acts 19:27).

 

sing

1. We are to sing to the Father in worship (Colossians 3:16).

2. We are to sing to the Lord Jesus in worship (Ephesians 5:19) - to both in Revelation 14:3-4.

 

thysia (Strong's #2378)

1. We are to offer ourselves as a sacrifice to the Father (Romans 12:1).

2. We are to offer ourselves as a sacrifice to the Lord Jesus (Philippians 2:17; cf. Philippians 1:20; 2 Timothy 4:6).

 

timaō (Strong's #5091) and timē (Strong's #5092)

1. Both timaō and timē (honor) are to be rendered unto the Father and unto the Lord Jesus (John 5:23; Revelation 5:13; cf. Revelation 4:11).

 

Wish-prayers

1. Both the Father and the Son are appealed to in prayer together (1 Thessalonians 3:11-13; 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17).

 

zygos (Strong's #2218)

1. To take upon the yoke of Baal instead of the Father means to worship Baal and not worship the Father (Jeremiah 2:20, 23).

2. To take upon the yoke of the Lord Jesus means to worship the Lord Jesus (Matthew 11:29).

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18 minutes ago, Faber said:

There are times when the precise Greek word does not appear in the text - the concept will however be there.

And that presents a major problem for those that internet key word search with a wooden inflexible approach to the Scriptures. They'll suggest, but Scripture does not "say" that. The Trinity is not a word found in the Scriptures etc.

 

Ha, Merry Christmas Faber and God bless,

William

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Speaking of subordination, there's an economic subordination in the Trinity. Trying to see from Greg's point of view it would be improper, for example, to pray to the Holy Spirit and ask Him to send the Father. The Father sends the Son or the Holy Spirit in this economic subordination with respect to each Person's roles.

 

For more information here's a great resource:

 

https://carm.org/ontological-and-economic-trinity

 

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52 minutes ago, Faber said:

Greg Deuble is a Unitarian and thus he denies the correct biblical doctrine of the Trinity.

 I know his view concerning the Trinity is way off on the above.

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