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I wonder how the grass grows...

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Rev 8:6

And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.


Rev 8:7

The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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That was first trumpet -- ALL GRASS BURNED UP!

Next chapter, we are at 5th trumpet --


Rev 9:1

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

 Rev 9:2

And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

 Rev 9:3

And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

 Rev 9:4

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.



the grass was GONE at first trumpet!


Well, on one board, someone said "well, grass GREW BACK during 2nd 3rd and 4th trumpets..."




These and other items in Revelation make me tend to think it is NOT strictly chronological, but sometimes 'achronological' like a DREAM - the visions are surreal

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Rev 12:7

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,


Rev 12:8

And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.


Rev 12:9

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



Didn't that happen before the world was created?  And here it is in the middle of Revelation?  Did it happen AGAIN?


This is in neither Amillennialism or Premillennialism subforums, I guess -- all eschatologies must face the scrambled chronology (or lack thereof) of how many times a third of the stars can fall from heaven


what thinkest thou?

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I think all isn't literally every blade of grass simply because only a third of the trees were burnt. But it could also be that the grass didn't need to be there, the locusts had a special job of only attacking certain humans, maybe it's just a literary thing.

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