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6 minutes ago, Becky said:

 

Removed the post it read too argumentative, when that was not the intent . 

Your deleted post about "one thousand" appearing in the KJV Bible was not argumentative at all but more like unintended self-defeatism since they have a literal meaning, eg ...

Numbers 1:41

Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred.

Ezra 2:69

They gave after their ability unto the treasure of the work threescore and one thousand drams of gold, and five thousand pound of silver, and one hundred priests' garments.

.

 

Here's my post for "a thousand" appearing in the NKJV Bible, also mostly with a literal meaning. ...

 

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

Genesis 20:16

Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this vindicates you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked.

 

Numbers 31:4

A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.”

 

Numbers 35:4

The common-land of the cities which you will give the Levites shall extend from the wall of the city outward a thousand cubits all around.

 

Deuteronomy 1:11

May the Lord God of your fathers make you a thousand times more numerous than you are, and bless you as He has promised you!

 

Deuteronomy 7:9

“Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

 

Joshua 23:10

One man of you shall chase a thousand, for the Lord your God is He who fights for you, as He promised you.

 

Judges 9:49

So each of the people likewise cut down his own bough and followed Abimelech, put them against the stronghold, and set the stronghold on fire above them, so that all the people of the tower of Shechem died, about a thousand men and women.

 

Judges 15:15

He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, reached out his hand and took it, and killed a thousand men with it.

 

Judges 20:10

We will take ten men out of every hundred throughout all the tribes of Israel, a hundred out of every thousand, and a thousand out of every ten thousand, to make provisions for the people, that when they come to Gibeah in Benjamin, they may repay all the vileness that they have done in Israel.”

 

1 Samuel 13:2

Saul chose for himself three thousand men of Israel. Two thousand were with Saul in Michmash and in the mountains of Bethel, and a thousand were with Jonathan in Gibeah of Benjamin. The rest of the people he sent away, every man to his tent.

 

1 Samuel 18:13

Therefore Saul removed him from his presence, and made him his captain over a thousand; and he went out and came in before the people.

 

1 Samuel 25:2

[ David and the Wife of Nabal ] Now there was a man in Maon whose business was in Carmel, and the man was very rich. He had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats. And he was shearing his sheep in Carmel.

 

1 Kings 3:4

Now the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place: Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar.

 

Daniel 5:1

[ Belshazzar’s Feast ] Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his lords, and drank wine in the presence of the thousand.

 

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1 minute ago, discipler77 said:

Your deleted post about "one thousand" appearing in the KJV Bible was not argumentative at all but more like unintended self-defeatism since they have a literal meaning, eg ...

Numbers 1:41

Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred.

Ezra 2:69

They gave after their ability unto the treasure of the work threescore and one thousand drams of gold, and five thousand pound of silver, and one hundred priests' garments.

.

 

Here's my post for "a thousand" appearing in the NKJV Bible, also mostly with a literal meaning. ...

 

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

Genesis 20:16

Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this vindicates you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked.

 

Numbers 31:4

A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.”

 

Numbers 35:4

The common-land of the cities which you will give the Levites shall extend from the wall of the city outward a thousand cubits all around.

 

Deuteronomy 1:11

May the Lord God of your fathers make you a thousand times more numerous than you are, and bless you as He has promised you!

 

Deuteronomy 7:9

“Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

 

Joshua 23:10

One man of you shall chase a thousand, for the Lord your God is He who fights for you, as He promised you.

 

Judges 9:49

So each of the people likewise cut down his own bough and followed Abimelech, put them against the stronghold, and set the stronghold on fire above them, so that all the people of the tower of Shechem died, about a thousand men and women.

 

Judges 15:15

He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, reached out his hand and took it, and killed a thousand men with it.

 

Judges 20:10

We will take ten men out of every hundred throughout all the tribes of Israel, a hundred out of every thousand, and a thousand out of every ten thousand, to make provisions for the people, that when they come to Gibeah in Benjamin, they may repay all the vileness that they have done in Israel.”

 

1 Samuel 13:2

Saul chose for himself three thousand men of Israel. Two thousand were with Saul in Michmash and in the mountains of Bethel, and a thousand were with Jonathan in Gibeah of Benjamin. The rest of the people he sent away, every man to his tent.

 

1 Samuel 18:13

Therefore Saul removed him from his presence, and made him his captain over a thousand; and he went out and came in before the people.

 

1 Samuel 25:2

[ David and the Wife of Nabal ] Now there was a man in Maon whose business was in Carmel, and the man was very rich. He had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats. And he was shearing his sheep in Carmel.

 

1 Kings 3:4

Now the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place: Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar.

 

Daniel 5:1

[ Belshazzar’s Feast ] Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his lords, and drank wine in the presence of the thousand.

 

No you are incorrect the scriptures I  quoted showed clearly , when the scripture say ONE THOUSAND is not the same as thousand  My removed post was directed at CDF47 article .

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1 hour ago, CDF47 said:

I believe the thousand years is the gospel going out to the four corners of the Earth binding Satan which we are currently living in.

Your believe about the thousand years of the gospel currently binding Satan does not align with Scripture. ...

 

2Thessalonians 2:1-12

The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

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1 hour ago, discipler77 said:

Your deleted post about "one thousand" appearing in the KJV Bible was not argumentative at all but more like unintended self-defeatism since they have a literal meaning, eg ...

Numbers 1:41

Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Asher, were forty and one thousand and five hundred.

Ezra 2:69

They gave after their ability unto the treasure of the work threescore and one thousand drams of gold, and five thousand pound of silver, and one hundred priests' garments.

.

 

Here's my post for "a thousand" appearing in the NKJV Bible, also mostly with a literal meaning. ...

 

Revelation 20:6

Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

Genesis 20:16

Then to Sarah he said, “Behold, I have given your brother a thousand pieces of silver; indeed this vindicates you before all who are with you and before everybody.” Thus she was rebuked.

 

Numbers 31:4

A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.”

 

Numbers 35:4

The common-land of the cities which you will give the Levites shall extend from the wall of the city outward a thousand cubits all around.

 

Deuteronomy 1:11

May the Lord God of your fathers make you a thousand times more numerous than you are, and bless you as He has promised you!

 

Deuteronomy 7:9

“Therefore know that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God who keeps covenant and mercy for a thousand generations with those who love Him and keep His commandments;

 

Joshua 23:10

One man of you shall chase a thousand, for the Lord your God is He who fights for you, as He promised you.

 

Judges 9:49

So each of the people likewise cut down his own bough and followed Abimelech, put them against the stronghold, and set the stronghold on fire above them, so that all the people of the tower of Shechem died, about a thousand men and women.

 

Judges 15:15

He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, reached out his hand and took it, and killed a thousand men with it.

 

Judges 20:10

We will take ten men out of every hundred throughout all the tribes of Israel, a hundred out of every thousand, and a thousand out of every ten thousand, to make provisions for the people, that when they come to Gibeah in Benjamin, they may repay all the vileness that they have done in Israel.”

 

1 Samuel 13:2

Saul chose for himself three thousand men of Israel. Two thousand were with Saul in Michmash and in the mountains of Bethel, and a thousand were with Jonathan in Gibeah of Benjamin. The rest of the people he sent away, every man to his tent.

 

1 Samuel 18:13

Therefore Saul removed him from his presence, and made him his captain over a thousand; and he went out and came in before the people.

 

1 Samuel 25:2

[ David and the Wife of Nabal ] Now there was a man in Maon whose business was in Carmel, and the man was very rich. He had three thousand sheep and a thousand goats. And he was shearing his sheep in Carmel.

 

1 Kings 3:4

Now the king went to Gibeon to sacrifice there, for that was the great high place: Solomon offered a thousand burnt offerings on that altar.

 

Daniel 5:1

[ Belshazzar’s Feast ] Belshazzar the king made a great feast for a thousand of his lords, and drank wine in the presence of the thousand.

 

Is it a literal day?

 

Or

 

Is it a literal 1000 years?

 

2 Peter 3:8KJV

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

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3 hours ago, CDF47 said:

What do you mean by new earth?  Do you believe the Lord is going to place us somewhere new for a 1000 years and then Satan will attack again?

2 Peter 3:13

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

 

Revelation 21:1

[ All Things Made New ]

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

 

No. Afaik, at the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released for a short while to deceive and gather the newly resurrected unbelievers, ie not to "attack" or deceive the believers. At this future point in time, believers had already been resurrected or raptured during the 2nd Advent of Lord/God Jesus Christ to the old earth which also coincided with the beginning of the thousand years Millennial kingdom on a new earth.

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1 hour ago, Truth7t7 said:

 

Is it a literal day?

Or

Is it a literal 1000 years?

 

2 Peter 3:8KJV

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

In plain human understood English, a thousand years mean a thousand years and one day means one day.

 

In the eyes or sight of man, a thousand years is a thousand years and cannot be one day, ... one day is one day and cannot be a thousand years.

 

In the eyes or sight of God who transcends time and matter, a thousand years can be as one day or as yesterday or as a watch in the night(= about 3 hours), and one day can be as a thousand years.

 

The Bible and Book of Revelation were created by God for the eyes or sight of Man, and not for the sight or eyes of God. Almighty God has no need for books or to read 2 Peter 3:8. In fact, God caused 2 Peter 3:8 to be written for the eyes or sight of Man. Fallen Man need God's Holy Books, in order to be saved from hell or the lake of fire and brimstone.

 

Seems, you are trying to see or read Revelation 20:1-10 and 2 Peter 3:8 with the sight or eyes of God, ie by miss-seeing or misreading "a thousand years" as zero-day or one day.

 

Psalm 90:4

For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.

 

Matthew 19:26

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

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8 hours ago, discipler77 said:

Your believe about the thousand years of the gospel currently binding Satan does not align with Scripture. ...

 

2Thessalonians 2:1-12

The Great Apostasy

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

 

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

I believe the office of the pope is the anti-christ revealed to here.  

5 hours ago, discipler77 said:

2 Peter 3:13

Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

 

Revelation 21:1

[ All Things Made New ]

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.

 

No. Afaik, at the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released for a short while to deceive and gather the newly resurrected unbelievers, ie not to "attack" or deceive the believers. At this future point in time, believers had already been resurrected or raptured during the 2nd Advent of Lord/God Jesus Christ to the old earth which also coincided with the beginning of the thousand years Millennial kingdom on a new earth.

Interesting take.  I guess we just disagree on the interpretation of the Scriptures.

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9 hours ago, CDF47 said:

I believe the office of the pope is the anti-christ revealed to here.  

Unlikely, because the Pope today has no political or religious power to affect laws in the nations of the world = the Pope is not "the lawless one" of 2 Thessalonians 2:8 .

 

I believe "the lawless one" will be USA, the last superpower of the world before the 2nd Coming of the Lord/God Jesus Christ to earth - the little horn of Daniel 7:8 & 24.

....... Eg in 2015, USA has changed her Law to legalize same-sex marriages = recently, USA has prosecuted/persecuted Christian wedding-related-business owners, eg bakers, florists, etc. From the 1960s onward, USA has abolished long-held laws against adultery, sodomy and abortion. = lawlessness against God and His people.  ...

 

Daniel 7:24-25

24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.


25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

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20 hours ago, discipler77 said:

In plain human understood English, a thousand years mean a thousand years and one day means one day.

 

In the eyes or sight of man, a thousand years is a thousand years and cannot be one day, ... one day is one day and cannot be a thousand years.

 

In the eyes or sight of God who transcends time and matter, a thousand years can be as one day or as yesterday or as a watch in the night(= about 3 hours), and one day can be as a thousand years.

 

The Bible and Book of Revelation were created by God for the eyes or sight of Man, and not for the sight or eyes of God. Almighty God has no need for books or to read 2 Peter 3:8. In fact, God caused 2 Peter 3:8 to be written for the eyes or sight of Man. Fallen Man need God's Holy Books, in order to be saved from hell or the lake of fire and brimstone.

 

Seems, you are trying to see or read Revelation 20:1-10 and 2 Peter 3:8 with the sight or eyes of God, ie by miss-seeing or misreading "a thousand years" as zero-day or one day.

 

Psalm 90:4

For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past, And like a watch in the night.

 

Matthew 19:26

26 But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

We agree God and those physically dead in the spiritual real are outside of time and space.

 

I have posted Revelation 20:1-6 once again to show you, "There Aren't Human's Seen" 100% the Lords spiritual, "Thousand Years" isn't literal.

 

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Soul's,  The Dead, God, Christ, 100% spiritual.

 

There is no physical earthly kingdom seen.

 

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)

20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

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8 hours ago, discipler77 said:

Unlikely, because the Pope today has no political or religious power to affect laws in the nations of the world = the Pope is not "the lawless one" of 2 Thessalonians 2:8 .

 

I believe "the lawless one" will be USA, the last superpower of the world before the 2nd Coming of the Lord/God Jesus Christ to earth - the little horn of Daniel 7:8 & 24.

....... Eg in 2015, USA has changed her Law to legalize same-sex marriages = recently, USA has prosecuted/persecuted Christian wedding-related-business owners, eg bakers, florists, etc. From the 1960s onward, USA has abolished long-held laws against adultery, sodomy and abortion. = lawlessness against God and His people.  ...

 

Daniel 7:24-25

24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.


25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

I believe the US is the second beast of Revelation.  She fits the criteria.

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