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Jesus was socialist or capitalist?

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First I will say, socialism never works.

and capitalism is working fine, and eliminating poverty as well in world.

 

so I was thinking if Jesus was socialist or capitalist ? Or mix.

 

because Jesus did healed people without and compensation, which is socialism and then Jesus at one point said, obey your master, which means to keep the order and in bigger picture, capitalism.

 

so any thoughts ?

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6 hours ago, tahaadi said:

because Jesus did healed people without and compensation, which is socialism and then Jesus at one point said, obey your master, which means to keep the order and in bigger picture, capitalism.

 

so any thoughts ?

Doing anything  freely without compensation  has nothing whatever to do with  Socialism.  But you knew that .

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7 hours ago, tahaadi said:

so I was thinking if Jesus was socialist or capitalist ? Or mix.

Neither, reminds me of Israel's assurance or deliverance from Babylon:

 

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

 

Needlessly said, every man made system has failed from reaching an earthly perfect Utopia since man was expelled from Eden. I do find Capitalism a better than but exploitable system.

 

Genesis 3:22-24 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden to work the ground from which he was taken. He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.
 

The lessons learned in Eden ought not be forgotten despite being expelled from within.

 

God bless,

William

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Socialism and private property  cant mix.  God  is so concerned with  private property he literally cast  it in stone.

 

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6 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Socialism and private property  cant mix.  God  is so concerned with  private property he literally cast  it in stone.

 

So wouldn't a Theocracy be closer (to God by design) than Capitalism?

 

Let's not make that mistake again (mumbles).

 

God bless,

William

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The choices in the  OP are limited to  Socialism/Capitalism.  That said,  in a very true  sense, perhaps the truest, Theocracy is all there is and all that is possible.

 

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10 minutes ago, William said:

So wouldn't a Theocracy be closer (to God by design) than Capitalism?

 

Let's not make that mistake again (mumbles).

 

God bless,

William

Iran is the only theocratic state in world.

and you can see how it functions.

it is a hell on earth.

christianity brought individualism and freedom.

espically Protestant christianity values.

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34 minutes ago, Hitch said:

The choices in the  OP are limited to  Socialism/Capitalism.

And I have no doubt that people will lose righteousness doing business in the Babylonian system be it under the guise of any economic named system.

 

26 minutes ago, tahaadi said:

Iran is the only theocratic state in world.

and you can see how it functions.

it is a hell on earth.

christianity brought individualism and freedom.

espically Protestant christianity values.

Many Theocratic nations have existed throughout time. Kings lived in the light of God, and the people in the shadows while in constant fear of them. Theocracies are great!

 

Yes, increased freedom and rights (to women etc) has progressed in the world with the advancement of Christianity.

 

And let's not mistaken man attempts at Theocracy for a true Theocracy which will be established when Jesus returns. Having said that, I prefer the Republic and economic Capitalism than a monarch or ordained king or queen to rule over the land.

 

46 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Socialism and private property  cant mix.

Might be interesting to see how private property pans out in a future Theocracy.

 

God bless,

William

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Hmmmmm  DC  sure looks like a ruling priest class to me. 

Seems to me the real difference between what you posted and contemporary reality is which religion  has the most  orthodox ( internally tested)  in power.

I'll put in the form of a question Alex>>>   Is Statism a religion ?

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On ‎10‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 5:58 PM, William said:

So wouldn't a Theocracy be closer (to God by design) than Capitalism?

 

Let's not make that mistake again (mumbles).

 

God bless,

William

Yes, eight years of a socialist Muslim was enough fro me .  M

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On 10/3/2018 at 11:09 PM, tahaadi said:

First I will say, socialism never works.

and capitalism is working fine, and eliminating poverty as well in world.

 

so I was thinking if Jesus was socialist or capitalist ? Or mix.

Since all humans are inherently or born evil/sinful/satanic, no political system on earth will succeed, whether socialism or capitalism or democracy or theocracy.

 

Jesus Christ is a salvationist and His kingdom is not of this world. ...

 

JOHN.18: = 36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

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Capitalism is not against Christianity.

infact christianity has played a big role in invention of capitalism.

capitalism is most effective system.

And is eliminating poverty as well. 

 

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1 hour ago, tahaadi said:

Capitalism is not against Christianity.

infact christianity has played a big role in invention of capitalism.

capitalism is most effective system.

And is eliminating poverty as well. 

 

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I agree, please do not mistaken my points. I think capitalism is the best economic system to date. However, it is exploitable, the more materialistic a person, company, ect are, the more the system yields to the desires of their hearts.  

 

In some ways I think capitalism supports survival of the fittest. Charity is an act which goes against such hypothesis, as I observe capitalist are actually more charitable than socialist. A socialist wants to define charity by compelling another to give through law, which in itself is not charity, because the virtues of giving are stripped from the transaction. If I put a gun to Paul's head and tell him to give to Peter then Paul did not make a free will offering. 

 

God bless,

William

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7 hours ago, William said:

I agree, please do not mistaken my points. I think capitalism is the best economic system to date. However, it is exploitable, the more materialistic a person, company, ect are, the more the system yields to the desires of their hearts.  

 

In some ways I think capitalism supports survival of the fittest. Charity is an act which goes against such hypothesis, as I observe capitalist are actually more charitable than socialist. A socialist wants to define charity by compelling another to give through law, which in itself is not charity, because the virtues of giving are stripped from the transaction. If I put a gun to Paul's head and tell him to give to Peter then Paul did not make a free will offering. 

 

God bless,

William

Very well said.

you are right William 

 

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On 10/6/2018 at 5:11 PM, William said:

In some ways I think capitalism supports survival of the fittest. 

 Herbert Spencer's Social Darwinism comes to mind. Unfettered capitalism can be a terror. I think of the coal mines and steel mills along with no child labor laws in the late 1800's.

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