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John Calvin puts forward a very simple reason why love is the greatest gift: “Because faith and hope are our own: love is diffused among others.” In other words, faith and hope benefit the possessor, but love always benefits another. In John 13:34–35 Jesus says, “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Love always requires an “other” as an object; love cannot remain within itself, and that is part of what makes love the greatest gift.


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  2. That is great but sex criminals do not need their part working to commit crimes.
  3. Way back in the late 40s an Assemblies of God missionary .. and his wife divorced i do not know any details. .. Dont know who was at fault or if anyone cheated. That is not my point... He Pleaded with the AofG to 'allow' him papers and marry his girl friend .. did not happen .He could keep his papers and his friend... The comes AA Allen, Bakker .Swaggart etc...Not to mention so much of AoG theology comes from Scofield who divorced... legalism can cause many deep wounds I forgot Dr, Gene Scott.
  4. It is tragic to think that there are born again Christians walking around fearful that they are in danger of Hell because of some minor sin that the may have innocently done years ago that they never repented of because they never knew they had even sinned. Years ago I heard a preacher say that “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9:62) He went on to say that if that describes you, you might as well have lots and lots of fun on earth now because in Hell you will not have any fun. The next week I spoke to another pastor of another church down the street. He said this is what Jesus said about eternal security; “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand." John 10:28. What a relief. We are secure in the hand of the Good Shepherd Jesus Christ. Ever since that watershed experience I have had the peace that surpasses all understanding.
  5. Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey signs chemical castration for child sex offenders law - ABC News ABCNEWS.GO.COM Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey signs off on chemical castration bill. The treatment is required for parole.
  6. Amazing after listing what you had concerning the Covenant head Jesus Christ Jewish disciples and those Jews which established the Christian church that some theological camps reject the very church founded by Jews as the true Israel of God. That is, if I were to err on the basis of Jewish blood descent. There's no question about the status of God's faithful remnant throughout the OT. You kinda equated Jews with the faithful remnant and the true Israel of God. However, what do unbelieving Jews in modern day national Israel have to do with them? Abraham rejoiced in Jesus' coming. Are you suggesting God did not divorce national Israel in the OT? And that in the NT the branches broken off from the Olive Tree are still God's covenant people? No doubt some theological camps have a "special" place for Jewish blood moreso than others. I'll never forget a debate I had with a Judaic Rabbi once long ago. He told me I should be grateful to the Jewish people. The Rabbi tried to stir a sense of national patriotism in me towards the modern day nation of Israel. Because it was them they were the source from where Scripture came forth. No doubt he tried to establish his blood relationship as not only an authoritative standard but as a source of right standing with God despite rejecting Jesus Christ. Replace Jew with Catholic and just ignore all the apostasy. Such theology in my mind takes away the urgency of Evangelism today towards unbelieving Jews. Such theology takes away one of the missions of Jesus Christ in restoring a right relationship with God the Father.
  7. Advocates of "all divorce is outside of God's will" never quote anything from the OT book of Ezra where God commanded that 118 of His priests, who had married foreign women divorce them. Only four would not, Ezra 10:15 "Only Jonathan son of Asahel and Jahzeiah son of Tikvah opposed this course of action, [divorcing their wives] and they were supported by Meshullam and Shabbethai the Levite." The other 114 priests did divorce their wives. See the tenth chapter of Ezra for the entire account. My story. I was your typical unsaved heathen man who married an equally unsaved heathen woman by a pastor that was also unsaved (but he was quite religious!) Four years later my wife begins an affair with a 15 year old boy, divorces me against my will, and abandons me by moving 300 miles east and getting married. After this I receive Christ as Lord and Savior but was told by an extremely legalistic elder that I can only marry my ex-wife I can never marry anyone else. I told him I thought that Christ's blood cleanses us of all sins? He said all but divorce! So I quoted Matthew 19:9, "And I tell you this, whoever divorces his wife and marries someone else commits adultery—unless his wife has been unfaithful." His response? "That was added later by a scribe who was divorced, but was not in the oldest manuscripts!" So I asked about 1 Corinthians 7:15 "But if the husband or wife who isn’t a believer insists on leaving, let them go. In such cases the Christian husband or wife is no longer bound to the other, for God has called you to live in peace." His response? "That was Paul speaking, not Jesus so it is not actually scripture!!! I left that church that day and never returned to it. A year later I married a wonderful Christian woman (in a real Christian church with a real born again Christian pastor.) That was 43 years ago and God has blessed our socks off. Life could not be better.
  8. Remember high school and the rallies before football games? They were used to pump us up get us excited etc. Pep rallies have a place but they are not worship they are self serving. Becoming more and more like the world my increase the pew numbers but wide it that road.
  9. God did not divorce the Jewish nation. Abraham was the first Jew. Christ was an old testament Jew. The disciples were old testament Jews, they were new testament Jews. Paul claimed to be a pretty good one. Many in the new testament were Jews I have friends who are Christian Jews Christ simply opened it up to all, and all who choose to come along. The Jews were just like people today, stubborn, self serving and adulterous. He set Hosea up to show his commitment and faithfulness, his love for them. To bring them back not to destroy or abandon them. Christ did not divorce Jews, he made it possible to have a better relationship. He sacrificed himself for them and for us. Rom, 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Yes Hosea is a good example of God’s love and enduring commitment to all men not just Jews to this day. In Christ
  10. Could be as simple as God is in control not Paul. Obedience helps cure pride.
  11. 1. Turkey, more or less. 2. A simple matter of timing of evangelism. Not a matter of withholding grace.
  12. Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” 2020 presidential hopeful former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-TX) said President Donald Trump was engaged in a “concerted, organized attack against immigrants, against people of color.” O’Rourke said, “From the outset of this campaign, even View the full article
  13. Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press," 2020 presidential hopeful former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-TX) predicted if President Donald Trump won a second term, "we'll lose America." View the full article
  14. 2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
  15. Hello Ben, Perhaps this can veer off into another thread, but I find it interesting how sometimes their beliefs can be appealed to by Christians and how other times we conflict. Only one God: We agree - but yet they reject the Trinity. The resurrection of Christ - no agreement. God will judge all mankind : We agree - but we affirm that the Son will be the Judge (John 5:22) etc. etc.
  16. I think some of those guys should go to a barber first.
  17. Greetings Faber Thank you @Faber for clarifying If I wanted to learn more about the modern observance of the Sabbat/Shabbat I think I would consult Jewish sources like the Mishnah Tractate Shabbat, Mishneh Torah, Shulchan aruch and the Jewish responsa. It was never commanded of all peoples. The command was always specifically for the children of Israel the Jews. If Christians want to hold services on Saturdays of Friday night so be it, but it is not command. Of, course not observant Jews be they believers in Christ/Messiah or not would know that Shabbat is neither a universal command nor practice. The Early Jewish Christian council according to Acts 15:19-21 an Acts 15:28 - 29 were of the opinion that only a few request should be asked of gentile converts to Christianity and Shabbat observance was not one of the. They were never binding on Christians in the first place. Yes, I agree with you that Paul's writing are very helpful: Romans 14:1 - 6 (ESV) "As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. Grace and Peace
  18. I have attended some larger churches, though they would fit in the 500-1000 member range, and found them to be smaller versions of the mega-churches who use scripture referenced motivational speeches rather than sermons during their worship services. I have since attended much smaller churches that preach the full counsel of God and find it much more fulfilling and edifying to connect with other members. The better churches for spiritual growth tend to have memberships below 500. Generally, if someone is attending a church more for the "experience" than true substance they have their priorities misplaced.
  19. By R. Mitchell - The FBI says that public corruption is on the increase in states that have legalized marijuana. “As an increasing number of states change their marijuana legislation, the FBI is seeing a public corruption threat emerge in the expanding cannabis industry,” Department of Justice Public Affairs Specialist Mollie Halpern said during the most recent episode of FBI This Week. “States require licenses to grow and sell the drug—opening the possibility for public officials to become susceptible to bribes in exchange for those licenses.” “The corruption is more prevalent in western states where the licensing is decentralized—meaning the level of corruption can span from the highest to the lowest level of public officials,” Halpern added. Marijuana is still illegal under Federal law leaving some uncertainty in the market and making it difficult to get an accurate read on the size of the marijuana industry, but expert assessments estimate the U.S. marijuana industry will take in more than $20 billion per year by 2021. The size of the industry, a heavy reliance on cash transactions and the opportunity for massive profits encourages those with deep pockets to enter the sector and push licensing fees into the stratosphere. “We’ve seen in some states the price go as high as $500,000 for a license to sell marijuana,” Supervisory Special Agent Regino Chavez said on the podcast. “So, we see people willing to pay large amounts of money to get into the industry.” Content created by Conservative Daily News and some content syndicated through CDN is available for re-publication without charge under the Creative Commons license. Visit our syndication page for details and requirements. FBI: Marijuana Legalization Leading to Increase in Public Corruption is original content from Conservative Daily News - Where Americans go for news, current events and commentary they can trust - Conservative News Website for U.S. News, Political Cartoons and more. View the original full article
  20. Hello Ben. 1. I am not saying the Jews are wrong about everything. But appeal was made to them concerning the 7th day Sabbath. That command can not be obeyed today by all people in all places. 2. The Jews who accepted the true Messiah never taught (in the Holy Scriptures) that the 7th day Sabbath had to be obeyed. In fact, Paul put it together with new moons and festivals. If they are not still binding (and they aren't) then neither is the command to obey the 7th day Sabbath.
  21. Faber, I understand and get your point but I disagree with the way that you presented or worded the point. One: Just because someone or some group is wrong on one point does not mean that they are wrong on all points or that they have nothing to contribute to other areas of study.For example only one percent of the population in Japanese claims to accept Christ, but that does not mean that the Japanese do not have knowledge about other areas like Craftsmanship, Science, Mathematics, Penmanship, and Hanzi / Kanji (Chinese Pictograms, Ideograms and Logograms). And, Just because someone or some group is correct on one point does not mean that they posses actuate knowledge about every subject or field. For example true Christians posses the knowledge that Jesus the Christ is promised Messiah of course, but that does not necessarily mean that one should automatically trust what any true Christian or Christian Group have/has to say about classical Hebrew philology, linguistic, grammar, morphology, exegesis, theology, or even the study of the Hebrew Bible. Personally, I would love to be able to consult Christian commentaries on the te`amim (טעמים) or the cantillation/accent marks of the Massoretic text, the Ktiv haser (כתיב חסר), Masora Gedol of Massoretic tex and so on but in general protestant Christian usually stick to ideological studies of the Old Testament. Two: In my opinion The brush you paint with is way to wide. Not, all of the Jews rejected their own Messiah. Jesus was Jewish and he did not reject himself, the first disciples were also Jewish, the majority of the Apostles were Jewish, many of the first Christians where Jewish. Eusebius of Caesarea and Papias of Hierapolis also testify that there were Jewish Christian in their days. Even later on well after the first century Jerome knew of Jewish Christians who to his chagrin were not members of the Roman Catholic Church. After the East–West Schism 1054 most of western Christianity simply lost contact with eastern Churches and with those of Christians of Jewish heritage however even in the west there were always some Christians of Jewish heritage. A few famous examples Yaakov ben Hayyim ibn Adonijah (late 1500) help edited the Mikraot Gedolot and Rabbi Yehuda Yona who immigrated to Amsterdam from Safed became a Christian (and received the name Giovanni Battista) published in 1668 the Quatuor Evangelia Novi Testanebti ex Latino in Hebraicum sermonem versa. Of, course there Jew who became a Christian was a published writer or became famous. From the 1800s on ward the numbers of Jewish Christian in the west began to rise and it is at that time we start to see more and more Christian Hebraica and Jewish Christian literature in general increasing. For example think of the works of Edersheim, Jehiel Lichtenstein, David Baron, Ezekiel Margoliouth, Joseph Rabinowitz, Leopold Cohn, and non-Jewish Christians Hebraist Hermann L. Strack, Paul Billerbeck, Franz Delitzsch and his Institutum Judaicum and his magun opus: ha-brit ha-chudasha. Grace and Peace
  22. A church with rock concerts and 2m followers WWW.BBC.CO.UK As Christian churches face declining numbers, one is bucking the trend. Is Hillsong a triumph of marketing or faith? I've been to what we in the UK call super-church, anything with more than 2,000 in the congregation gets that title over here, nothing on the scale of this. I found it really uplifting, seeing all those young people jigging around to gospel songs, even though they were at 150 decibels! I didn't feel compelled to join up, for me I like to feel needed by my church but there there was a waiting list for every role and function, even carpark stewards! Plus I think most Sunday afternoons I'd have a headache - fuddy duddy I admit. I've spoken to others about the experience since and many have been quite scathing, dismissing it as veneer or froth. What are your experience and views?
  23. I understand some people and denominations believe that certain parts of the so-called "Pastoral Epistles" bar divorced persons from positions of leadership (even though "divorce" is not mentioned in those passages). Some of these seem to be inconsistent, in that they are less strict about the concomitant "requirements" that leaders be married, parents, and that their children be well-behaved and believers. For those here on this forum who hold that those passages do prohibit divorcees from leadership, do you also believe that singleness or childlessness do likewise? Also, regarding specifically the idea that divorcees are barred, what if a translation such as the CEB more correctly represents the Greek pronouns and idioms? I.e., "1Tim 3:2 So the church’s supervisor must be without fault. They should be faithful to their spouse, sober, modest, and honest. They should show hospitality and be skilled at teaching." Here P.B. Payne discusses translation issues relating to those passages, albeit with a focus other than divorce and remarriage. However, he *does* address that aspect in the give-and-take in the comments section, in one dated 10/21/2013. Does that affect your views about leadership requirements?
  24. AFAICT, no one has addressed the material in the link I posted in this post on the first page. I assume few if any were inclined to follow the link, so I will here quote from it: ----------------- The conclusions: The Bible's message for those suffering within marriage is both realistic and loving Marriage should be lifelong, but broken marriage vows can be grounds for divorce Biblical grounds for divorce include adultery, abuse and abandonment Jesus urged forgiveness but allowed divorce for repeated unrepentant breaking of marriage vows Only the victim, not the perpetrator of such sins, should decide when or whether to divorce Anyone who divorces on biblical grounds or who is divorced against their will can remarry. Very quick summary: This book interprets the words of Jesus and Paul through the eyes of first century readers who knew about the ‘Any Cause’ divorce which Jesus was asked about ("Is it lawful to divorce for ‘Any Cause’" – Mt.19.3). Christians in following generations forgot about the ‘Any Cause’ divorce and misunderstood Jesus. The 'Any Cause' divorce was invented by some Pharisees who divided up the phrase "a cause of indecency" (Dt.24.1) into two grounds for divorce: "indecency" (porneia which they interpreted as ‘Adultery’) and "a cause" (ie ‘Any Cause’). Jesus said the phrase could not be split up and that it meant "nothing except porneia." Although almost everyone was using this new type of divorce, Jesus told them that it was invalid, so remarriage was adulterous because they were still married. The Old Testament allowed divorce for the breaking of marriage vows, including neglect and abuse, based on Exod.21.10f. Jesus was not asked about these biblical grounds for divorce, though Paul alluded to them in 1Cor.7 as the basis of marriage obligations. This book argues that God never repealed these biblical grounds for divorce based on broken marriage vows. They were exemplified by Christ (according to Eph.5.28f) and they became the basis of Christian marriage vows (love, honour, and keep).
  25. He withholds it form whomsoever He wills and gives it to those whom He foreknew in eternity past . Some want to say that God had foreknowledge of who would accept the free gift of grace by (their) faith and who would refuse it . But that is not what foreknowledge means . "To those to whom He did foreknow " No biblical writer makes election and predestination more plain than the apostle Paul . M
  26. Following convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's suicide death in a Manhattan jail cell one week ago, details are emerging on what he left behind, including bizarre decor in his New York City apartment such as the portrait of former President Bill Clinton dressed in drag. View the full article
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